Tiago Rodrigues
Member
I mean...certain things will always have to change with Lara Croft and Tomb Raider. Being a rich white english woman going to 3rd world countries and taking countless valuable artifacts that fund her millionaire lifestyle isn't gonna fly in 2024 and that had nothing to do with "being woke" or not.
She can still travel for multiple reasons and still be an archaeologist. I'd appreciate a better thing than "going against colonialism" though.
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Nostalgic Nightmare
Member
See here's the thing
It's not fucking real
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
It's not about being real. It's about controlling a character that you can...like.
Angry_Megalodon
Member
Having that perspective has everything to do with the woke mindset, for fucks sake. Speaking as if we had reached some kind of moral standard that no fiction should tarnish, this shit is unreal.
Lara Croft is a shady adventurer, that's her fucking character. If they don't like it, they should do something different altogether instead of pimping her under a pathetic disguise.
What's next? Nathan Drake canceled because he kills too many people? Kratos turned into a mangina..?. well, too bad, That already happened.
Nostalgic Nightmare
Member
Oh it's controlling all right.
If you can't play a video game without the need to relate to its characters and worldviews - that is beyond pathetic. This is one of the main reasons we're seeing non-stop garbage left and right, established IPs gutted, shit story writing etc.
Imagine being so narcissistic you need to go and re-work all this existing and successful entertainment on some performative quazi-reverse puritan quest that can't even hold under the weight of it's subjective toilet swirl of morality.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Then play something else. Do people not have any fucking agency anymore?
Anyway, I wasn't interested in the show so this hardly affects me in any way, but I am amused how hard they went in gaying this up for no good reason. Whoever's doing the greenlighting for this junk, let alone writing it, must know people don't take them seriously, right?
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
I'll never relate to controlling a woman. Following that theory I'd hate Tomb Raider since day one dude lmao.
My point is no AAA title is going to have a white woman invading poor countries and stealing artifacts for her personal gain anymore. That's all.
What you / me want or not isn't relevant here.
Nostalgic Nightmare
Member
I'm just saying what we want should be as relevant as what people who seem so intent on changing/ruining this stuff. The whole it doesn't affect me/who cares attitude is how we got here.
LordOfChaos
Member
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I dont know if the avg political person in modern day would even go that far.
Just about any game involving loot or brown treasure chests involves gamers just bee-lining to it and stealing whatever gold of magic sword there is.
At face value, there would be way more people amped up complaining about a 2024 Lara Croft with big tits, daisy dukes and thigh high holsters which look like garters.
Dirk Benedict
Gold Member
The reduced her breasts and even sanded down what little ass she had and slapped on this jawline. Those sons of bitches are pure savages.
LMJ
Member
The first part of this statement is true, stories will have to change and adopt to a degree, that adaptation as a whole
The second part is progressive nonsense unless you're admitting in 2024 we have become weaker and can no longer take games at face value... because the excuse that we have grown more enlightened comes off as
Tomb Raider doesn't need to be held to modern sensibilities, it's a game, this shit isn't real and if you don't like Lara then shop elsewhere...but I am sick and fucking tired of the character assassination that comes from thoughts like the one above (and FYI that mentality IS woke)
So a completely different character, then watch the Netflix animated special, sounds like they tried it and failed miserably...amazing how that works
And this right here tells me everything I need to know about this mentality, you know you aren't meant to like every character thats created, Cartmen is funny because he's a selfish, entitled piece of shit...and fat
Lara isn't meant to resonate with you completely, thats how we end up with boring games that have no edge and are afraid to offend anyone
The best current example is Ratchet, Insomniac took an edgy selfish Lombax who slowly opens his purview and see's a bigger picture and turned him into a simplistic optimist who's always chipper...they ruined his character, and the trade off he was boring as toast in the remake/movie in turn!
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Miyazaki’s Slave
Gold Member
LMJ
Member
Lol I played the OG on PS2 back in the day and the only thought going through my mind in the remake was, "that was better in the OG"I completely and totally forgot they even released a movie for that franchise (looks it up)eight years ago.
Time...I would like it back now please.
Don't even get me started on the chicken shit idea of a PLANET being destroyed but nobody dying...F*&^K YOU INSOMNIAC LOL
Mister Wolf
Member
That would require talent.
ResurrectedContrarian
Suffers with mild autism
lol that video summary is more creatively edited and entertaining than the entire series will ever achieve in its best moments
Indeed, all their "must be masculinized lesbian" takes on a strong female lead can ever accomplish is to make femininity and womanhood a weakness that has to be scrubbed from characters.
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Chuck Berry
Gold Member
Kinda makes me wanna revisit the reboot trilogy
BigDeadFreak
Member
And playing the game on a device made out of minerals mined by 3rd world slave children. I guess that's ok so long as the game doesn't have a make believe character doing things that are no where near as bad.
Doczu
Member
Am i the only one who can't grasp the size of this dudes quads and calves compared to his upper body?Never forget what they took from you
Talk about unrealistic beauty standards...
semiconscious
Member
yep. the reason that these properties have value is that there's something about them that initially resonated with people. why anyone would feel that removing the very qualities that first endeared people to the character/franchise is a great idea is fucking beyond me. you're reducing something iconic into something 'other'. you've subverted the entire value of the property...
Nostalgic Nightmare
Member
There's a dude in the pic?
SJRB
Gold Member
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Because when it comes to games or movies, it's much easier to use an existing successful brand and adjust it's message and quality than make a new IP.
The NF writers or game makers could make a product called Larry Craft who does whatever message they want, but it'd get laughed at with no sales. But use SW, or Lara Croft, or a Marvel hero etc... and immediately the content maker gets eyeballs and brand awareness and at least some minimum amount of sales, which a new IP might fail at right off the bat.
Problem with media content makers is they often need to do their own creativity, ego boosting, new direction reboots because a new guy is taking over etc.... What they should do is keep making a successful franchise game till it fizzles out, while injecting resources into making a different game. But most media people like to roll the dice placing an old successful product with a new thing hoping it's successful too.
Bad business decisions. But lucky for media makers, companies with deep pockets fund their crazy ideas.
Just imagine if Nabisco wanted to replace their iconic Oreo cookies with something else. Wont happen. People at the office are smart enough not to rock the golden goose. They instead keep it going and make other Oreo cookies to add to it. But you dont replace it.
A game company in charge would replace black and white Oreos with a rainbow coloured version with a banana flavoured creme and wonder why sales sunk 70%.
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FunkMiller
Banned
I know everyone wants to jump on the political angles to all of these disasters… but congratulations, you've hit upon the actual problem.
A large cross section of people in entertainment now aren't creatives. They're analysts. They're activists. They're social media experts. They're techbros. They're graduates with zero life experience.
Creativity requires conflict, confrontation, compromise and the ability to think differently.
The middle classes successfully drummed everyone but middle class children out of the educational spaces for learning the creative arts. And with that went the creativity and confrontation.
So now no one can create anymore. They can only copy. But they think by making pointless changes they are being creative. That's the level they work at.
Star Wars The Force Awakens was the perfect movie to kickstart this generation of 'creatives'.
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Closer
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Gambit2483
Member
I'm convinced feminists simply do NOT belong in the entertainment industry. They have no idea how or even want to entertain an audience of men. They have no idea how to create original compelling stories or characters.
Instead they take other characters and IP created by men and then completely destroy what made those characters and stories actually appealing to a wider audience. They've don't it to basically every single major entertainment IP and it's exactly why Marvel, Star Wars and the AAA Games industry are in a complete free fall. Just look at who's at the helm of these studios and companies now and you can see exactly why everything they put out fails and flops hard.
There's a reason these IP became global billion dollar brands and its because they weren't created by feminists.
Instead they take other characters and IP created by men and then completely destroy what made those characters and stories actually appealing to a wider audience. They've don't it to basically every single major entertainment IP and it's exactly why Marvel, Star Wars and the AAA Games industry are in a complete free fall. Just look at who's at the helm of these studios and companies now and you can see exactly why everything they put out fails and flops hard.
There's a reason these IP became global billion dollar brands and its because they weren't created by feminists.
Fake
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Doczu
Member
Damn, why did she shave? That's a near perfect cosplay.They aren't gonna beat the allegations on this one.
Sept Terrion Of Nothing
Member
Why is DEI or woke stuff trying to destroy everything good? Fellow GAFfers who live America, I'm really sorry you had to endure these kind of situations all the time.
But I'm also sorry for myself that I had to endure this shit on games or TV shows or films all time as well
But I'm also sorry for myself that I had to endure this shit on games or TV shows or films all time as well
Ulysses 31
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Warspite
Member
Something so bad even IGN wont give it a 7.
[h3][/h3]Arcane, remember that 1 time when someone took care to adapt a video game into a show, that really was a 1 off wasn't it.
Fbh
Member
Cyberpunk Edgerunners was great too.
I think the difference though is that Netflix was basically just the distributor for those shows. The actual production was a close collaboration between the developers and the animation studios.
This on the other hand seems to be a proper Netflix original show.
Saber
Newd Member
Its not enought to make her lesbian and uglier...now everyone is gay. This has to be some sort of parody.
Next up is some random fella screaming "its not for you, move on. The anti-woke is yadayadayada"
Because they cannot create anything new. They can only corrupt and infect what is good. And what is good is what we like, not what they like.
Tolkien quote is basically the epitome of what is happening. And theres still people who fall for Rings of Power bullshit, too brainrot to see.
Next up is some random fella screaming "its not for you, move on. The anti-woke is yadayadayada"
Because they cannot create anything new. They can only corrupt and infect what is good. And what is good is what we like, not what they like.
Tolkien quote is basically the epitome of what is happening. And theres still people who fall for Rings of Power bullshit, too brainrot to see.
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FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Remember when Tomb Raiders was just about a big boobed chick shooting Dino's?
Warspite
Member
Fair point, to my shame I had forgotten about Edgerunners
I guess the issue is that Tomb Raider is now a IP, its no longer the original developers that own the IP, the original developers might want to take more care of what they had created. Its now another IP that someone owns to be passed around and farmed out for a quick cash grab, people like Netflix rent the brand as they think it will be popular and then hand if off someone that ticks the boxes but zero passion about creating something good.
Halo is Back
Member
People had no problem liking her before. Seems like you are just making up BS
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Lara Croft is larger then life and the OG girlboss and "modern" girlbosses pale in comparison because they want to paint themselves as Saints. Lara Croft is a bad person, very selfish, is very cunning and much like a bird wants rich and shiny objects for herself and ultimately seeks Thrill and Adventure.
If Indiana Jones sought priceless relics to be put into a museum. Lara Croft does the same. But the museum belongs to her. She is a Mercenary, Big Game Hunter and Master Thief with no time for romance and is more self-centered on discovering and raiding long forgotten civilizations and burial sites of their treasures and secrets.
Lara Croft as a character has just been continually twisted and watered down with each iteration.
It's funny really. OG Lara is everything these people say they stand for and yet they fill the need to make her the opposite of that and turn her into another manjaw alligator. I guess to be relatable with their own failings. They may use the name of Lara Croft but it isn't Lara Croft at all.
Imagine this. Someone clones you. Badly. The clone talks differently. Completely robbed of the personality that made you what you are and alter it so much that it really isn't you anymore. You may as well be a different person altogether. And that is what happened to Lara Croft.
And it has happened twice with the backstory for Lara with Legends and once more in 2013 where the character became so pathetic it isn't even funny.
Only thing to do is play the old games and buy up the IV-VI remaster and that's about it.
If Indiana Jones sought priceless relics to be put into a museum. Lara Croft does the same. But the museum belongs to her. She is a Mercenary, Big Game Hunter and Master Thief with no time for romance and is more self-centered on discovering and raiding long forgotten civilizations and burial sites of their treasures and secrets.
Lara Croft as a character has just been continually twisted and watered down with each iteration.
It's funny really. OG Lara is everything these people say they stand for and yet they fill the need to make her the opposite of that and turn her into another manjaw alligator. I guess to be relatable with their own failings. They may use the name of Lara Croft but it isn't Lara Croft at all.
Imagine this. Someone clones you. Badly. The clone talks differently. Completely robbed of the personality that made you what you are and alter it so much that it really isn't you anymore. You may as well be a different person altogether. And that is what happened to Lara Croft.
And it has happened twice with the backstory for Lara with Legends and once more in 2013 where the character became so pathetic it isn't even funny.
Only thing to do is play the old games and buy up the IV-VI remaster and that's about it.
BbMajor7th
Member
I'd argue it's colonisation rather than adaptation. The people working on these IPs now wouldn't have been seen dead working on video game adaptations twenty years ago, but now they've realised there's gold in these here hills they've decided it's time to start mining the place dry, proselytising to the savages and displacing people who've been here for decades.
Wealthy western arrogance never changes. They tell everyone they're civilising a place and making it safe for everyone - that they're doing it for our own good - but really they're just making it more to their own liking. And like every good coloniser, they presume to know more about the land they're invading than the people who came before. But they don't know shit, so instead of making things better they bleed it dry and run it into the ground and blame the locals for sabotaging them.
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delfrickintree
Banned
Very interesting comparison. How about we go even further and call the The Reapers! They can wipe out entire colonies, harvest their stocks, exploit their populace, etc.