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New Gabe Newell Interview - Valve Currently Creating Brain Computer Interface - "Neural Computing is Already indistinguishable from Science Fiction"
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UniformDeliverance
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It's hard to believe tech like this could be ready for mass market use in any capacity.. much less gaming anytime soon.
Though how cool would it be to see some form of deep dive VR this decade. Wild to think about.
Though how cool would it be to see some form of deep dive VR this decade. Wild to think about.
TimFL
Member
I can think of a gazillion better things to do while sleeping. I'm at the peak of my career in terms of creativity and output but I'm still limited by a 10h regulated workday. If I could tap into my nightly sleep pattern and continue to develop things while getting a nights worth of rest I'd be a god among men.
Time is my biggest enemy right now. There's not enough of it to accomplish all of my plans / ideas in a timely matter or without downsizing certain projects.
But I guess gaming is also fun?
Sentenza
Member
They actually stated quite recently that there's been a partial reform about this structure, because it clearly wasn't working that well when it came to luring the employees into committing to long-term large scale projects.
Not sure if it's a company-wide reform or something dependent on the project they are working on, but they apparently went back to having a more rigid hierarchy of command on their development cycle.
And about the "office politics", going by what was said by several former employees, that could indeed happen and as usual it bothered some way more than others.
Some people, like Richard Geldreich, really seemed to suffered the stress of the "social hierarchies" . he's still bitching about it on twitters years later, whining incessantly about how he hated to interact with his co-workers, how he disliked that the company offered paid group vacations for employees (even if they are never been mandatory), how he hated worrying about peer-reviews to evaluate bonus earnings, etc.
Others claim that it was one of the best environments and most generous contracts they ever had (Valve pays above industry average and they never do "crunch", for one) but moved on for personal reasons.
Sentenza
Member
Or more likely completely burned out and driven batshit crazy in a matter of days.
Then again there's no solid reason to argue that this wouldn't happen even for "lucid dream gaming". But at very least it's safe to guess it would be marginally less stressful.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
He clearly never watched Sword Art Online SE01.
Sentenza
Member
Can't blame him.
Coprophagy is not everyone's cup of tea.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Heh; yeah sometimes that kind of culture is hard on people that aren't super social. Feel pressured to go despite them not being mandatory as making friends is going to affect people's impressions of you. They do that crazy week-long trip to Hawaii every year... I'd have a lot of trouble turning that down lol
My company does similar stuff but we are in consulting and spend all of our time at clients, so w/o social stuff we wouldn't get to know any of our co-workers. But there's a similar pressure; if you aren't at the strip club with the GM, will he pass you up for promotion? lol
Interesting stuff in general BTW; I hadn't really talked to anyone on the tech side in a couple of years, have a good friend in a department outside of that who sees some of it but he's not really a part of the general projects going on.
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Life
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Whatever's coming is probably gonna make hardcore gamers of today seem like casual gamers - when comparing the amount of time these future gamers will spend hooked for hours on end.
Only thing I'm skeptical about is about the size of these worlds. It'll probably take another 15-20 years for a world that is genuinenly big and of high quality to be built.
Only thing I'm skeptical about is about the size of these worlds. It'll probably take another 15-20 years for a world that is genuinenly big and of high quality to be built.
Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
In the book people could do whatever they wanted in a virtual space. It was too much like ready player one so I mothballed it.
The Hamburglar
Banned
People complain because they rake in all that cash from fruits of others but don’t do anything with it.
Rex_DX
Gold Member
These threads and articles always over sensationalize like crazy because "using the matrix as a gaming rig" sounds enticing and gets clicks.
The actual tech required for this is decades away at the very least, especially in the non-invasive, magnet-based realm Valve is exploring.
I also see a lot of "but Elon is into it too" posts, and it's true, but let's not forget the company he backed - Neuralink - is just that: "the link." Elon Musk is backing a company to develop technology to transfer information from an outside source to the brain but that's all it is, a delivery system and an invasive one at that, requiring untested, highly experimental brain surgery to implement.
I've been following this stuff for years and I'm passionate about it and want to see it work, but let's not over hype it. It is incredibly unlikely anyone on this forum will be alive to see this applied for entertainment purposes.
The state the tech is in now versus where it would need to be to actually "game in the matrix" is like comparing our current space craft to the Enterprise fucking D.
The actual tech required for this is decades away at the very least, especially in the non-invasive, magnet-based realm Valve is exploring.
I also see a lot of "but Elon is into it too" posts, and it's true, but let's not forget the company he backed - Neuralink - is just that: "the link." Elon Musk is backing a company to develop technology to transfer information from an outside source to the brain but that's all it is, a delivery system and an invasive one at that, requiring untested, highly experimental brain surgery to implement.
I've been following this stuff for years and I'm passionate about it and want to see it work, but let's not over hype it. It is incredibly unlikely anyone on this forum will be alive to see this applied for entertainment purposes.
The state the tech is in now versus where it would need to be to actually "game in the matrix" is like comparing our current space craft to the Enterprise fucking D.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
They pay their employees better than just about anyone, offer insane benefits.. do a ton of experimentation internally.. helped define VR tech, and practically gave it away. Have developed by far the best store experience, including mod management, best in class controller support, APIs, "big screen" functionality.. support the Linux community heavily and have been a key driver for Microsoft being more open.
They just don't make the games some people want.
TwiztidElf
Member
I've got my "BCI's" right here tyvm.
down 2 orth
Member
They certainly know how to take things up a notch.
Torrent of Pork
Banned
A reliable and safe sleep induction machine alone will revolutionize the world.
93xfan
Banned
It’s like the episode in Futurama where Fry has dreams with advertisements in themThis is the future. You can sleep but see this ad first
namekuseijin
Banned
flatties and headset VR fans uniting against the new gimmick
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SpongebobSquaredance
Unconfirmed Member
We should blame people for not caring or being ignorant towards a healthy diet, not parents.
EverythingsOverrated
Member
I can't wait for the conspiracy theories on this one
ValiantTraveler
Member
You’re already doing this. The brain works on unsolved problems while we sleep. It’s why we wake up with a fresh perspective on things we were thinking about the day before. Time and again I struggle with a project after putting many hours into it only to wrap it up smoothly the next day.
We need sleep for many reasons and because of that it shouldn’t be disturbed by things like gaming while you sleep. Sleep is not wasted time.
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alabtrosMyster
Banned
I'm not sure which side you think you are on, nor which side is supposed to represent progress?
Yeah! Progress bad, much fear.
Lethal01
Member
That's a load of bull, If we could stay awake 24/7 without needing any breaks we would all be better off.
Nhranaghacon
Banned
*Cough* When I can go without sleep because I can edit or enhance myself to do so, I gladly will as it is an utter waste of my time. We have nanotechnology now, self replicating - self propelled nanotech - that will eventually allow me to forgo sleep, enhance my own IQ and feel however I'd like. And I look forward to that day.
Researchers build microscopic biohybrid robots propelled by muscles, nerves
Researchers have developed soft robotic devices driven by neuromuscular tissue that triggers when stimulated by light—bringing mechanical engineering one step closer to developing autonomous biobots.
As far as sleep solving actual real life dilemmas - no.
It may produce images of people or instances/emotions it think's you need to experience so that you may feel that much better as the next day moves on - but dreaming and sleeping does not actually solve out heavy literal dilemmas.
It may mitigate some hormone differently or rest may speed up healing of damaged tissues ect, but sleep's use for solving actual problems is really relegated to healing injuries and tissue damage/blood cell regulation - still does not help regulate issues as effective as your diet and lifestyle considering ailments that can only solve out/be regulated during sleep in the instance of an unhealthy persons - can effectively be completely supplanted by a healthy lifestyle that ensures this person never succumbs to inefficient hormonal adjustment to begin with. Yes I know of the instance where it does impact hormone regulation of white blood cells, and that instance is relegated to those who have completely unhealthy lifestyle's and when living a healthy lifestyle completely negate the benefits of sleep in respect to white bloodcell hormone regulation - particularly in this instance - it underscores just how bad sleep is at in fact solving problems. Why rely on sleep when you could forgo those issues entirely by eating healthy.
The therapeutic benefits outside of feeling rested/slightly better as the day goes on are laughable particularly when compared to living healthy and consuming a healthy diet. So again, sleep is relegated to helping you heal more quickly and recover from numerous injuries and regulating blood cells/hormones - and those benefits typically pale in comparison to a well rounded healthy lifestyle - even if you only practice living healthy 4 days a month those benefits far exceed what sleep may mitigate (the injuries you didn't know you had don't count either, diet and good health practices are far more effective).
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phat_crazy
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So this is how sky net begins
Lone Denjin
Member
Brain Interface 1, Brain Interface 2, Brain interface 2:Episode 1, Brain Interface 2:Episode 2. Dead.
Sentenza
Member
That’s a pretty fucking big IF.
Man I have trouble sleeping and I've always wanted that video game feature where you can set how many hours to sleep instantly...
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
I heard it's going to be called Steam Plug®: "Plug into the future". Here's a look at the early prototype unit...
DonJuanSchlong
Banned
Although lucid dreaming should be it's own topic, that shit phenomenal to say the least! Something like this for the average consumer, would be done serious next gen stuff.
Hudo
Member
If that's the way to meet waifus, I'll try it.
Madevil
Member
Brb, gonna grab a pair of Lightspeed briefs.
Kadayi
Banned
We might actually start seeing regular projects then if that's the case. Was a big Valve Fanboy back in the day, but the abject failure to get their act together and ship Episode 3 in a timely fashion (HL3 is something the gaming press concocted given EP3 was AWOL for so long) I kind of lost my faith in them. Much love for Steam, but I legitimately wish that had been spun off into its own thing because it feels to me that the Steam revenue has just undermined their ability to see projects through.
Balducci30
Member
I mean he’s just talking about measuring brain activity with a VR headset. It’s impressive but “BCI”? I’m not gonna let a videogame fuck with my brain I’ve already done enough drugs for a lifetime
ValiantTraveler
Member
Ok.
Whatever floats your boat.*Cough* When I can go without sleep because I can edit or enhance myself to do so, I gladly will as it is an utter waste of my time. We have nanotechnology now, self replicating - self propelled nanotech - that will eventually allow me to forgo sleep, enhance my own IQ and feel however I'd like. And I look forward to that day.
Researchers build microscopic biohybrid robots propelled by muscles, nerves
Researchers have developed soft robotic devices driven by neuromuscular tissue that triggers when stimulated by light—bringing mechanical engineering one step closer to developing autonomous biobots.techxplore.com
As far as sleep solving actual real life dilemmas - no.
It may produce images of people or instances/emotions it think's you need to experience so that you may feel that much better as the next day moves on - but dreaming and sleeping does not actually solve out heavy literal dilemmas.
It may mitigate some hormone differently or rest may speed up healing of damaged tissues ect, but sleep's use for solving actual problems is really relegated to healing injuries and tissue damage/blood cell regulation - still does not help regulate issues as effective as your diet and lifestyle considering ailments that can only solve out/be regulated during sleep in the instance of an unhealthy persons - can effectively be completely supplanted by a healthy lifestyle that ensures this person never succumbs to inefficient hormonal adjustment to begin with. Yes I know of the instance where it does impact hormone regulation of white blood cells, and that instance is relegated to those who have completely unhealthy lifestyle's and when living a healthy lifestyle completely negate the benefits of sleep in respect to white bloodcell hormone regulation - particularly in this instance - it underscores just how bad sleep is at in fact solving problems. Why rely on sleep when you could forgo those issues entirely by eating healthy.
The therapeutic benefits outside of feeling rested/slightly better as the day goes on are laughable particularly when compared to living healthy and consuming a healthy diet. So again, sleep is relegated to helping you heal more quickly and recover from numerous injuries and regulating blood cells/hormones - and those benefits typically pale in comparison to a well rounded healthy lifestyle - even if you only practice living healthy 4 days a month those benefits far exceed what sleep may mitigate (the injuries you didn't know you had don't count either, diet and good health practices are far more effective).
Lethal01
Member
Well yeah, but it's also what we are discussing.
Sentenza
Member
Well, actually no.
The discussion was about the hypothetical of being able to do things in your sleep (a "lucid dream"-like experience).
The jump from that to "getting rid of the need of having any sort of sleep entirely" was something that you made on your own.
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