Mah gawd this looks nice. What are the chances it will support HDR while in Freesync mode? I also hope it will have higher refresh 1080p or 1440p modes [1080p120 or 1440p75].
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New gaming monitors at CES2017 (VA, IPS, TN, 240 Hz, etc.)
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Mah gawd this looks nice. What are the chances it will support HDR while in Freesync mode? I also hope it will have higher refresh 1080p or 1440p modes [1080p120 or 1440p75].
As far as I can tell that LG is a "HDR" monitor with an IPS panel and no local dimming backlight. I don't really see the point in calling it "HDR" then. (Well, I do see the point from a marketing perspective 
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Of course, the current lack of competition still keeps prices higher than they would need to be, but unlike high framerate support FALD actually does cause a significant increase in product cost.
)FALD backlighting (which is necessary to get meaningful HDR from an IPS panel) is actually a significant cost. Just look at the price of TV models without it compared to TVs that feature it.
Of course, the current lack of competition still keeps prices higher than they would need to be, but unlike high framerate support FALD actually does cause a significant increase in product cost.
This is my biggest issue with many Freesync displays. The G-sync module seems to be better at tuning the overdrive impulse across color transitions at all refresh rates.
With the prices on the latest Bugatti I lost interest in driving a car.
As far as I can tell that LG is a "HDR" monitor with an IPS panel and no local dimming backlight. I don't really see the point in calling it "HDR" then. (Well, I do see the point from a marketing perspective
Every X800D TV model above 43" has a edge-lit IPS with ~400nits sustained brightness, and rtings.com still praised it for its HDR. It's not uber bright, but good HDR offers clearly visible advantage over SDR.
Aztechnology
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As far as I can tell that LG is a "HDR" monitor with an IPS panel and no local dimming backlight. I don't really see the point in calling it "HDR" then. (Well, I do see the point from a marketing perspective
FALD backlighting (which is necessary to get meaningful HDR from an IPS panel) is actually a significant cost. Just look at the price of TV models without it compared to TVs that feature it.
Of course, the current lack of competition still keeps prices higher than they would need to be, but unlike high framerate support FALD actually does cause a significant increase in product cost.
This is my biggest issue with many Freesync displays. The G-sync module seems to be better at tuning the overdrive impulse across color transitions at all refresh rates.
With the prices on the latest Bugatti I lost interest in driving a car.
FALD implementation doesn't cost upwards of $1000 or more, I can't imagine it being so even with the incredibly fast transition times necessary at these high framerates. It just doesn't justify this kind of lofty price. I have indeed looked at the price differences between a set with FALD and those without. I have a healthy interest in display tech and the current displays available. It's just clear to me that because of its target audience they're charging what they think they can get away with.
I guess this isn't so much different from the exorbitant prices we saw with early Quantum dot or OLED TV's. But part of that, like the founders edition cost of Nvidia cards or anything else is being first to market without a direct competitor in most senses. I personally just feel that given the audience out there interested in a monitor like this and the current offerings that it doesn't exist in the same vacuum or bubble as the aforementioned products. But then again who am I to say. I'm only a mid/high end PC gamer. I'm not the kind of person who can afford SLI'g each new Titan release to drive a $2000 monitor either.
Of course it doesn't cost $1000 to build. I agree with that. That's what I said, actually: "Of course, the current lack of competition still keeps prices higher than they would need to be".
As you say, that's the same with cutting-edge products in any industry.
Not only is it unique in its current position, you could even cut out some of its most important individual features and it would still be unique. E.g. if you remove 144 Hz it's still the only currently announced FALD monitor, and if you cut out the FALD it's still the only 144 Hz 4k monitor.
(Note that I'm treating the Asus and the Acer like one single product here. I think that makes sense given that they most like use the same panel, the same backlight, the same electronics, and share a very similar price)
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Anyway, personally what I'm still missing from this CES is a monitor announcement related to this panel mentioned at TFTCentral:
As you say, that's the same with cutting-edge products in any industry.
I wish that was the case, because it means we would have more products of this kind on the market. But it's just not true, as far as I can see.
Not only is it unique in its current position, you could even cut out some of its most important individual features and it would still be unique. E.g. if you remove 144 Hz it's still the only currently announced FALD monitor, and if you cut out the FALD it's still the only 144 Hz 4k monitor.
(Note that I'm treating the Asus and the Acer like one single product here. I think that makes sense given that they most like use the same panel, the same backlight, the same electronics, and share a very similar price)
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Anyway, personally what I'm still missing from this CES is a monitor announcement related to this panel mentioned at TFTCentral:
I was counting on that to offer a more reasonably priced alternative with good contrast.
â Narayan
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The ASUS PG27UQ looks super nice, but still isn't as high of an upgrade I'm looking for from my Yamakasi Catleap Q270 2B Extreme OC.
Aztechnology
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Given what Samsung and LG have achieved with their displays it seems odd to me there's not a convergence in tech here. I know it's probably nothing compared to the money they are making from TV's and selling off panels to other manufacturers. But it seems to me there's a market that's going untapped generally with their tech, especially for large form factor monitors, I guess they don't really see a point in doing that if a TV can sort of fulfill both purposes, but they sure don't seem to be trying very hard to court PC users. Regardless, I thought for sure we'd see a healthier option of VA and maybe even an OLED gaming monitor this time around. The one OLED monitor from Dell in the past even put these to shame cost wise though and had no real features to speak of. I believe it was like $8000?
Disappointing CES for those of us hoping for a >100hz ultrawide, but I've been kinda expecting it ever since the rumours of first said monitors being pushed back as far as Q3/Q4 2017 appeared. I'm almost set on getting the Omen X 35, if reviews are positive. HDR and 144hz will have to wait, I guess.
What's the next stop for potential big monitor announcements? Computex?
What's the next stop for potential big monitor announcements? Computex?
LG had a 144hz 34" 3440x1440 IPS Freesync at CES. LG 34UC99, but there's no info on it anywhere, except from the people who tried it out at CES.
Edit: some little info https://www.techpowerup.com/228695/lg-readies-4k-hdr-gaming-displays-for-ces-2017-launch
Edit: some little info https://www.techpowerup.com/228695/lg-readies-4k-hdr-gaming-displays-for-ces-2017-launch
thunder_snail
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I don't know why LG isn't building an OLED gaming monitor, honestly. It could have something to do with production capacity limits (as in, their TVs doing too well
My speculation:
1) Computer monitors tend to display lots of whites.
2) Blue pixel life span may still not be good enough for desktop monitors.
3) Last I heard, the yield on OLED is still quite bad (below 60%). And they don't want to cannibalize their PC IPS panel monitor market.
n0razi
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I want the specs of the Omen or ROG without the dumb "gamer" plastic
I also want 240Hz to start being standardized... 144Hz is nice but we havent hit the plateau of diminishing returns yet.
Burn in could be a problem with desktop PC use.... even with my OLED B6 HDTV, I get minor image retention when I play letterboxed movies or from the UI in games. I can't imagine how much worse it would be for a taskbar or static wallpaper that sits for hours a day.
I also want 240Hz to start being standardized... 144Hz is nice but we havent hit the plateau of diminishing returns yet.
I don't know why LG isn't building an OLED gaming monitor, honestly. It could have something to do with production capacity limits (as in, their TVs doing too well
Burn in could be a problem with desktop PC use.... even with my OLED B6 HDTV, I get minor image retention when I play letterboxed movies or from the UI in games. I can't imagine how much worse it would be for a taskbar or static wallpaper that sits for hours a day.
I believe LG is still lacking in production capacity for OLED. I read an article here, that said they were only able to supply Sony with 100K units for the year.
http://www.oled-info.com/etnews-lgd-agreed-supply-100000-oled-tv-panels-sony-each-year
Capacity will continue to expand this year but it'll really start to ramp up in 2018, when they will open a new factory: http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1448894534
I'm sure they could come out with an OLED monitor, but it would not make much business sense to take away from their TV business (which appears to be doing well). Plus the production lines being optimized for only three sizes probably helps with cutting down costs at this stage.
I think we can maybe start to expect one next year or in 2019.
http://www.oled-info.com/etnews-lgd-agreed-supply-100000-oled-tv-panels-sony-each-year
Capacity will continue to expand this year but it'll really start to ramp up in 2018, when they will open a new factory: http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1448894534
I'm sure they could come out with an OLED monitor, but it would not make much business sense to take away from their TV business (which appears to be doing well). Plus the production lines being optimized for only three sizes probably helps with cutting down costs at this stage.
I think we can maybe start to expect one next year or in 2019.
The Omen is really subdued though.
Agreed. I'm seriously considering it as my next monitor if the reviews are good
Rock Howard
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Is LG also supplying the OLED panels to Panasonic, or are they able to produce them on their own?
J_ToSaveTheDay
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I know I'm posting this in a thread with very many tech-savvy types that might scoff at the possibility of doing such a thing, but how would an ultrawide monitor like the Omen handle console gaming that's stuck at 16:9? Just blank black space on the sides? Would there be any other notable disadvantages?
With $2000 price tag being possible for that ASUS, I'm going to have to take a hard pass, despite it feeling like the more "native" option for my needs.
I use my monitor for both PC and console gaming and I'm very interested in also trying out ultrawide for the first time on my PC, but I would not have space to set up a second monitor for console gaming if ultrawide tends to be wonky for consoles.
With $2000 price tag being possible for that ASUS, I'm going to have to take a hard pass, despite it feeling like the more "native" option for my needs.
I use my monitor for both PC and console gaming and I'm very interested in also trying out ultrawide for the first time on my PC, but I would not have space to set up a second monitor for console gaming if ultrawide tends to be wonky for consoles.
You can set it to black bars or stretch on the monitor OSD usually, but console games would look like trash on it upscaled to 1440p, which is the biggest issue.
longdi
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https://www.techpowerup.com/229447/asus-proart-pa32u-is-a-beautiful-4k-hdr-monitor
I guess the above is the real deal for PC beggers at this moment. 4k hdr 384 backlit zones, 32", thunder bolt.. ips though.
Specs are incomplete and no price or release date. The wait continues for hdr pc monitor with 4:4:4 mapping
I guess the above is the real deal for PC beggers at this moment. 4k hdr 384 backlit zones, 32", thunder bolt.. ips though.
Specs are incomplete and no price or release date. The wait continues for hdr pc monitor with 4:4:4 mapping
That looks like a 60Hz display. Might be good for artists or movies but that's definitely not a gaming panel.
Good stuff. I'd prefer a 32" version but otherwise it's nice to finally see this.
I wonder if it has a strobing backlight mode. HDR displays might have enough brightness to pull it off without noticeable dimming.
Spartancarver
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60Hz, would not game on that.
LG is supplying OLED panels to Panasonic, yes.
poppedcollar69
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any budget gsync monitors?
What? You do know this whole topic of color subsampling isn't a thing on monitors?
The cheapest ones are 1080p 24" TN panels, and they are still €350+. Not really a good deal.
longdi
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Nope no idea why 444 is not a thing for monitor?
But this Pro art one should finally allow me to use hdr and clear 444 text, i guess?
Aztechnology
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Because every monitor supports 4:4:4 that I know of. It's kind of necessary seeing as it's intended for readable text, design work and other general usage aside from gaming.
It's one of my biggest annoyances at TV's. They are getting there slowly, but they just don't care much to make their TV's super PC feature friendly. My KS8000 can do it. But that's fact it has a native 120hz panel I can't utilize and bumps the input lag up to ~35ms is really annoying.
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Pretty impressive to imagine the dynamic backlights working at such a high refresh rate!
I think just by happenstance I've never owned an LCD w/ dynamic backlight.
So does that monitor require two video cables to get full res at that speed?
I think just by happenstance I've never owned an LCD w/ dynamic backlight.
So does that monitor require two video cables to get full res at that speed?
I don't expect my card to run games above 100 FPS at 3440x1440
AngmarsKing701
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So I'm just confused by all the jargon on these monitors. I just picked up an i7-6700, nvidia 1070. I'm running it to a 1080p 24" monitor.
Options.
1. I just got a 65" KS8000 4K TV. Yes, I could attach the PC to it, but the TV gets used by the rest of the family pretty much all day. So it's basically a slim option.
2. Upgrade the monitor. But to what? 1440p? TN or IPS? G-sync or Freesync? Arrrggghhhh.
Options.
1. I just got a 65" KS8000 4K TV. Yes, I could attach the PC to it, but the TV gets used by the rest of the family pretty much all day. So it's basically a slim option.
2. Upgrade the monitor. But to what? 1440p? TN or IPS? G-sync or Freesync? Arrrggghhhh.
27" 1440p 144Hz G-sync would in my opinion be the best upgrade for someone looking to take the step up from 1080p. Freesync is not an option with Nvidia.
But I also don't think a 1070 is powerful enough to really take advantage of a monitor like that. I think my 1080 is just powerful enough to run recent games at 1080p 144Hz without having to lower too many graphic settings.
Tacklemacain
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The DELL oled monitor got canceled. They saidbit couldnt satisfy their expectations at a price of 5000$.
Source in german http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Monitor-Display-Hardware-154105/News/Dell-UP3017Q-OLED-1217830/
Source in german http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Monitor-Display-Hardware-154105/News/Dell-UP3017Q-OLED-1217830/
Explicitly mentioning "4:4:4" or anything like that is not a thing for monitors, because even $150 office monitors of course have full chroma resolution.
AngmarsKing701
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Okay thanks. I do have the Dell S2716DG on my wish list and there was some discussion earlier in this thread about it being a good solution for this, although I don't get the TN vs. IPS discussion.
nikos
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Been itching to pick up a monitor, so I've been reading about them all day.
Things I'm looking for: 27", 144+hz, G-Sync.
I was about to order the Asus PG278/9Q but held off after reading about QC issues.
My current pick is the Dell S2716DG.
I've been using a 23" Apple Cinema Display for around10 years. These new displays can't possibly be a downgrade in image quality, can they? I'm reading a lot of complaints about TN, but I'm only using this monitor for gaming and will be sitting directly in front of it.
I'm running a 1070, so I'm hoping it will be enough to drive these monitors. From what I understand, G-Sync will help for games that are running below 144fps, which will pretty much be all modern games.
Things I'm looking for: 27", 144+hz, G-Sync.
I was about to order the Asus PG278/9Q but held off after reading about QC issues.
My current pick is the Dell S2716DG.
I've been using a 23" Apple Cinema Display for around10 years. These new displays can't possibly be a downgrade in image quality, can they? I'm reading a lot of complaints about TN, but I'm only using this monitor for gaming and will be sitting directly in front of it.
I'm running a 1070, so I'm hoping it will be enough to drive these monitors. From what I understand, G-Sync will help for games that are running below 144fps, which will pretty much be all modern games.
Square Triangle
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So I didn't show that fit my interest and budget. I went with the Asus VG24QE monitor and love it. I also now see the benefit for 1444hz, my goodness.
AngmarsKing701
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I'm looking at the same monitor, also have a 1070. See posts 388-392 in this thread for some responses.
It's definitely where I'm leaning as well, but I have to pay off the PC upgrade first ha ha.
Wouldn't mind doing one of the 34" wide 1440p monitors (either Acer or Asus) but pushing $1200 for a monitor seems like overkill.
nikos
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I ended up ordering it before remembering Samsung announced their Quantum Dot lineup for this year. I can still cancel, it's set for in-store pickup.
I have a feeling Samsung won't support G-Sync though. Has anything been announced? The CFG70 doesn't.
Now I'm asking myself if the Dell is worth an extra $200+ for G-Sync. Then again, that is my main reason for upgrading. I should just go pick this one up and be finished with it.
AngmarsKing701
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If you keep it I'd love to hear your impressions! It'll be mid-year if not later before I can afford to pick something.
Haint
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LG doesn't use blue subpixels, they're all white. The RGB are color filters on top of white subpixels.
I picked up the Asus ROG 24" G-Sync panel for $350 from Newegg over the holidays. It's 1080p and a TN panel but I love it for gaming. Now that I have experienced 144Hz gaming I will never go back.
nikos
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I ended up grabbing it. I'll have some impressions tonight.