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[noah111]

Those are two completely different things. These were both horrible things, but they are different, one is an attack, the other is a natural disaster.

I understand that, but he still has a point.. the thing that makes it terrible isn't just that it was an 'attack' but that innocent lives were lost on american soil.

Yet we forget about the rest of the world much of the time, and all the lives that were lost in various places to various circumstances. It doesn't surprise me that so many look at an image from 9/11 and suddenly tear up, but come on now, there are and have always been worse things happening elsewhere around the world, which we don't seem to pay attention to enough (which seemed to be his point).

 

[EvilMario]

Some of you guys are making me feel really, really old.

 

[Doubledex]

This makes me sad

 

[Catalix]

I understand that, but he still has a point.. the thing that makes it terrible isn't just that it was an 'attack' but that innocent lives were lost on american soil.

Yet we forget about the rest of the world much of the time, and all the lives that were lost in various places to various circumstances. It doesn't surprise me that so many look at an image from 9/11 and suddenly tear up, but come on now, there are and have always been worse things happening elsewhere around the world, which we don't seem to pay attention to enough (which seemed to be his point).

It was a terrible way to make the point though. Tragic events don't come with exclusive homage rights.

And the fact that a tragic event would resonate more with people if it happened on their home soil isn't the least bit surprising.

 

[mckmas8808]

Great pics of a horrible event.

 

[noah111]

It was a terrible way to make the point though. Tragic events don't come with exclusive homage rights.

And the fact that a tragic event would resonate more with people if it happened on their home soil isn't the least bit surprising.

Agreed, and of course it isn't surprising, but it's still disappointing to me that some can't see beyond anything that doesn't effect them directly.

Anyway, good photos but i'm pretty sure i've seen similar if not identical years ago. Videos are the way to go though if you're looking to view the event in retrospect.

 

[KingGondo]

Jeez, those videos really put a knot in my stomach--especially the one of the 2nd plane hitting. Such a fucked up, pointless, tragic event.

 

[jay]

I was in college in DC but my brother, sister and father were all in the city working that day. My father a few blocks away and my sister mid town but she had a clear view of the planes hitting.

I often feel like the angry people reminding us of the tsunami. We pay a lot of attention to things that happen to Americans. But then I watch one of those videos and still feel sick.

Let's care about more things, not fewer.

 

[truly101]

To me, the key difference between 9/11 and the Tsunami, or Hurricane Katrina (in the US BTW) or the Haitian earthquake is you had people insane enough to hijack airplanes and fly them into buildings to kill as many people as possible. Its an act of pure evil and would be absolutely horrific regardless of what country it happened in. Last I checked, muslim terrorists didn't hijack a hurricane and steer it into New Orleans, or detonate bombs in fault lines in Haiti or the Indian Ocean to cause those disasters.

 

[gdt]

Man, this just really bums me out. I was ~12 when it happened, and can still remember all the smoke (lived not too far, and could always see the Towers).

 

[Pandaman]

To me, the key difference between 9/11 and the Tsunami, or Hurricane Katrina (in the US BTW) or the Haitian earthquake is you had people insane enough to hijack airplanes and fly them into buildings to kill as many people as possible. Its an act of pure evil and would be absolutely horrific regardless of what country it happened in.

so ones a natural disaster and the other is an everyday affair?

 

[YulB.Yeung]

It's crazy to think I was running in that cloud of dust. I don't like talking about it, but I will say one thing, that scene in War of the worlds where the aliens first wake up and start blasting everyone I had a bit of a breakdown cause of all the dust everywhere.

 

[truly101]

so ones a natural disaster and the other is an everyday affair?

Flying planes into buildings and killing 3000 people in the process is an everyday affair? Be careful trying to argue scale here as it will backfire on you. You can attempt to to equate a roadside bomb with 9/11, I can equate the tsunami with a tornado smashing up a trailer park if you want.

 

[MiamiWesker]

To me, the key difference between 9/11 and the Tsunami, or Hurricane Katrina (in the US BTW) or the Haitian earthquake is you had people insane enough to hijack airplanes and fly them into buildings to kill as many people as possible. Its an act of pure evil and would be absolutely horrific regardless of what country it happened in. Last I checked, muslim terrorists didn't hijack a hurricane and steer it into New Orleans, or detonate bombs in fault lines in Haiti or the Indian Ocean to cause those disasters.

This. When you hear the phrase never forget I don't think it is about losing American lives, it's about not forgetting that evil fucktards are want us all dead and are capable of something horrific.

A natural disaster is a horrible thing but it's natural. Either way no one has forgotten any of those events, the entire world rallied to help in every situation. In a time of crisis for the most part people are good and want to help, that is what we should take from that. I dont get the whole competition mentality some want to take as if one disaster should be more important than another.

 

[Skittleguy]

No matter how many times I see the video, it just looks so surreal.

 

[luminaire28]

The photos that are all dust and smoke remind me of the finale in Steamboy. 9/11 was such a tragic event, but the way the smoke and dust looks is eerily beautiful in a way from an artistic point of view.

 

[Trasher]

Still get chills every time I watch this stuff. Unbelievable.

 

[NotWii]

EDIT: Actually, it's probably not a great idea

 

[truly101]

The Hiroshima bomb is horrific as well, best argument against revenge in my opinion.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Never forget

Who would forget VJ Day?

I love the famous picture of the sailor kissing the girl.

It was really cool to see it referenced in Watchmen.

EDIT-

EDIT: Actually, it's probably not a great idea

Aww. Why not be proud of your nonsense?

 

[industrian]

Well this thread turned to shit quickly.

It's hard to believe that the tenth anniversary of the 9/11 Attacks are next year.

 

[MattKeil]

To me, the key difference between 9/11 and the Tsunami, or Hurricane Katrina (in the US BTW) or the Haitian earthquake is you had people insane enough to hijack airplanes and fly them into buildings to kill as many people as possible. Its an act of pure evil and would be absolutely horrific regardless of what country it happened in

If they were insane, the act wasn't evil. Evil requires a conscious choice, hence the whole "not guilty by reason of insanity" thing. Pick one, so as to keep your hyperbolic rantings consistent.

Have the conspiracy buffs come up with a reason why these photos are just coming out now?

 

[Kentpaul]

i aint even from america and i can remember the day this happend

chilling in my living room doing my homework with the news on , also went to a local park and a girl told me it was the trade centre that got hit

strange i remember it all so well

 

[truly101]

If they were insane, the act wasn't evil. Evil requires a conscious choice, hence the whole "not guilty by reason of insanity" thing. Pick one, so as to keep your hyperbolic rantings consistent.

Have the conspiracy buffs come up with a reason why these photos are just coming out now?

I certainly wouldn't consider flying a plane into a building either sane nor morally agreeable, We also not talking about a court of law determining guilt. Has anyone ever been sentenced in a court for being "evil"? Is "evil" an official charge you can bring against someone, like the Salem witch trials. I also don't see how describing the actions as either insane or evil, to fall into the realm of "hyperbole" either, perhaps I could tone it down for you and say, aww shucks it just wasn't their day. Maybe to you, flying a plane into a building is only slightly more involved than say, getting a cup of coffee.

 

[arts&crafts]

If they were insane, the act wasn't evil. Evil requires a conscious choice, hence the whole "not guilty by reason of insanity" thing. Pick one, so as to keep your hyperbolic rantings consistent.

Have the conspiracy buffs come up with a reason why these photos are just coming out now?

I think he meant insane like "dat bitch is crazy!" as opposed to insane like the joker in The Dark Knight

 

[Pandaman]

Flying planes into buildings and killing 3000 people in the process is an everyday affair? Be careful trying to argue scale here as it will backfire on you. You can attempt to to equate a roadside bomb with 9/11, I can equate the tsunami with a tornado smashing up a trailer park if you want.

nice backpeddling. a minute ago the thing that made 9/11 so horrific was a suicide attack with the goal of 'to kill as many people as possible'.

don't mistake a difference of scale to be one of kind. In some parts of the world, the 9/11 death toll to random suicide bombings and attacks meet 9/11 figures every year. I hope you 'never forget' that either.

 

[Mar]

Jeez, those videos really put a knot in my stomach--especially the one of the 2nd plane hitting. Such a fucked up, pointless, tragic event.

It was horrible and tragic, but certainly not pointless.

 

[truly101]

nice backpeddling. a minute ago the thing that made 9/11 so horrific was a suicide attack with the goal of 'to kill as many people as possible'.

don't mistake a difference of scale to be one of kind. In some parts of the world, the 9/11 death toll to random suicide bombings and attacks meet 9/11 figures every year. I hope you 'never forget' that either.

I never stated otherwise, I stated what made the tragedy of 9/11 different for me from the tsunami or Hurricane Katrina, was the fact that it was caused intentionally by other people, just like the suicide bombings you mention. But I'd also find 16 being blown up at a Baghdad market more tragic than say 16 people killed in an avalanche, again, because its caused intentionally by other people. Natural disasters are not, not unless Cobra got their weather dominator up and running again.

I also never stated "never forget" in any of my previous posts. I guess because I find 9/11 more appalling than the Tsunami or Hurricane Katrina, makes me some sort of republican mouthpiece or something. That's laughable.

 

[FunkyMunkey]

nice backpeddling. a minute ago the thing that made 9/11 so horrific was a suicide attack with the goal of 'to kill as many people as possible'.

don't mistake a difference of scale to be one of kind. In some parts of the world, the 9/11 death toll to random suicide bombings and attacks meet 9/11 figures every year. I hope you 'never forget' that either.

What?

The 'never forget' is because it was an attack on US soil, which mixed with a history of (a lot) of pride, is going to stick. It's also a reminder that democracy is not permanent, that there are people out there carrying out attacks based on hate and an unwillingness to coexist, who believe directly and purposely killing innocent people is a valid means to spread what you believe. Dangerous people living hundreds of years behind the rest of the world in the categories of morality and human rights.

Keep talking out of your ass, though.

 

[NumberTwo]

I'm pissed off all over again.

 

[Kentpaul]

Note this comment has nothing to do with 9/11

But come on can you really say the US has a History :lol

 

[yankeeforever2]

Note this comment has nothing to do with 9/11

But come on can you really say the US has a History :lol

Over 200 years of it. We didn't just form and become a global power over night.

 

[sphagnum]

America's been around for ~230 years. It may not have as many centuries behind it as England or ancient societies like Egypt or China, but it still has plenty of history.

(about 400 years if you want to start in the colonial period)

 

[Count Dookkake]

To the morans: I can't wait to one up your next 'tragedy.'

Note this comment has nothing to do with 9/11

But come on can you really say the US has a History :lol

Yes. See how easy that was? :lol

 

[Kentpaul]

America's been around for ~230 years. It may not have as many centuries behind it as England or ancient societies like Egypt or China, but it still has plenty of history.

(about 400 years if you want to start in the colonial period)

I bet there still people alive who have grand parents who were around 230 years ago , thats how young america is

 

[FunkyMunkey]

I bet there still people alive who have grand parents who were around 230 years ago , thats how young america is

Your association between history and age is your own.

 

[industrian]

i aint even from america and i can remember the day this happend

Everyone who is over the age of 14 remembers what they were doing that day.

 

[Pandaman]

What?

The 'never forget' is because it was an attack on US soil, which mixed with a history of (a lot) of pride, is going to stick. It's also a reminder that democracy is not permanent, that there are people out there carrying out attacks based on hate and an unwillingness to coexist, who believe directly and purposely killing innocent people is a valid means to spread what you believe. Dangerous people living hundreds of years behind the rest of the world in the categories of morality and human rights.

Keep talking out of your ass, though.

:lol :lol :lol
wow, you have a pretty low opinion of americans.

 

[Count Dookkake]

I bet there still people alive who have grand parents who were around 230 years ago , thats how young america is

That's nice and all, but does nothing to lessen the stupidity of your history comment.




Out of curiosity, what boring country do you come from?

 

[Javaman]

This is a clip from the Naudet brother's documentary. He was filming inside one tower while the other collapsed. (

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3umJCmD7vos

The full video is very depressing. You see a lot of the firefighters in the lobby that started up the stairs that never made it out.

Longer section...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTmadBDjHwM

They were the only ones to film the first plane hit. The department was called out to investigate a gas smell and one of the brothers rode along and caught it on film.

 

[FunkyMunkey]

:lol :lol :lol
wow, you have a pretty low opinion of americans.

And you seem to be lacking in the intelligence and reason departments.

Is there room up there for any more clever retorts or is your head taking up all the space?

 

[yankeeforever2]

Everyone who is over the age of 14 remembers what they were doing that day.

I was 12 and I remember, 8th grade earth science.

 

[sphagnum]

Everyone who is over the age of 14 remembers what they were doing that day.

I'd definitely say you can lower that age a bit, I was 12 when it happened. We were in English class reading about sea urchins (for some reason) when a teacher walked in and asked if anyone had relatives in NYC or DC, because some bombs had gone off (or at least, that's what they thought at the time) at the World Trade Center and Pentagon.

edit: we just keep posting about the same thing at the same time :lol

 

[yankeeforever2]

And you seem to be lacking in the intelligence and reason departments.

You will last long here.

edit: we just keep posting about the same thing at the same time :lol

But I am always seconds ahead of you

 

[Kentpaul]

That's nice and all, but does nothing to lessen the stupidity of your history comment.




Out of curiosity, what boring country do you come from?

Scotland my friend from across the pond, inventor of the mighty telephone, heck the romens were scared of us thinking we were 7ft painted in blue paint so they built a wall to protect them selfs

 

[Pandaman]

And you seem to be lacking in the intelligence and reason departments.

I'm not interested in wasting my time babying someone, scuttle off now.

 

[industrian]

I was 12 and I remember, 8th grade earth science.

I'd definitely say you can lower that age a bit, I was 12 when it happened. We were in English class reading about sea urchins (for some reason) when a teacher walked in and asked if anyone had relatives in NYC or DC, because some bombs had gone off (or at least, that's what they thought at the time) at the World Trade Center and Pentagon.

edit: we just keep posting about the same thing at the same time :lol

I mean they're 14 now.

Scotland my friend from across the pond, inventor of the mighty telephone, heck the romens were scared of us thinking we were 7ft painted in blue paint so they built a wall to protect them selfs

A message from ScotGAF: Shut the fuck up.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Scotland my friend from across the pond, inventor of the mighty telephone, heck the romens were scared of us thinking we were 7ft painted in blue paint so they built a wall to protect them selfs

Talk shit about our history and that's the best you got?

:lol

Have fun watching an American movie this weekend.

 

[FunkyMunkey]

I'm not interested in wasting my time babying someone, scuttle off now.

www.hop.com

They've got some programs on there you might want to check out.

Maybe you'll actually learn to discuss something with someone without becoming dumbstruck at the slightest reply. Resorting to the lines of a mere jester is a pretty bad strategy to be honest, unless you're trying to look like a fool. Great job, if that's the case.

 

[Threi]

Those are two completely different things. These were both horrible things, but they are different, one is an attack, the other is a natural disaster.

Not that I don't sympathize with those who lost loved ones from each of these events, but what the hell difference does it make?

I don't see how the cause of the disaster has any bearing on how much of a tragedy it was.

Also...I think the person who brought up the Tsunami as a means of comparison was completely out of line and irrelevant.