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[FunkyMunkey]

Not that I don't sympathize with those who lost loved ones from each of these events, but what the hell difference does it make?

I think he's just reasoning that there is a psychological and conscious effort behind an attack while a natural disaster is plainly and almost always Earth's fault. In retrospect, there is no target.

Some natural disasters are made worse by foolishness, though.

 

[Pandaman]

www.hop.com

They've got some programs on there you might want to check out.

Maybe you'll actually learn to discuss something with someone without becoming dumbstruck at the slightest reply. Resorting to the lines of a mere jester is a pretty bad strategy to be honest, unless you're trying to look like a fool. Great job, if that's the case.

I'm sure you can tell how much I value your enlightened opinion of me, i;m sure to take it straight to heart.

Serious question, what is it you sought to accomplish when you pressed 'submit reply'? Obviously it wont change the issues you have with Americans, you've long since thrown out any pretenses of argumentation [more accurately, they were never there to begin with] and it certainly wouldn't have an emotional impact on someone who already discounts your opinion as less then informed.

so what was the game plan? To amuse me? great success.

 

[Threi]

I think he's just reasoning that there is a psychological and conscious effort behind an attack while a natural disaster is plainly and almost always Earth's fault. In retrospect, there is no target.

Why do you need a culprit to mourn loss?

For me, its the cause, not the result. Its just a sad statement of the human condition on the things we do to each other, regardless of nationality, ethnicity, or religion.

Fair enough, although it shouldn't be much of a shock in that case though seeings as how people get killed in cold blood constantly, not to mention genocide in africa...

 

[truly101]

Not that I don't sympathize with those who lost loved ones from each of these events, but what the hell difference does it make?

For me, its the cause, not the result. Its just a sad statement of the human condition on the things we do to each other, regardless of nationality, ethnicity, or religion.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Why do you need a culprit to mourn loss?

Why do you need a straw man to discuss this?

 

[Pandaman]

Not that I don't sympathize with those who lost loved ones from each of these events, but what the hell difference does it make?

I don't see how the cause of the disaster has any bearing on how much of a tragedy it was.

well, in the case of the Americas one is liable to happen again on a large scale and thus requires all the worry it can get to motivate governments into setting up proper evacuation and disaster relief plans.

the other really isn't likely to happen again, but because of its nature captures a very large percentage of public attention and resource allocations.

 

[whitehawk]

It was horrible and tragic, but certainly not pointless.

Yes it was dude, yes it was.

 

[FunkyMunkey]

I'm sure you can tell how much I value your enlightened opinion of me, i;m sure to take it straight to heart.

Oh, that's not so. I actually know you don't give a fuck, which is why seeing you in this topic is quite curious. If you have nothing more to contribute but spamming laughing smilies with a one-liner below, then do everyone a favor and get out.

Serious question, what is it you sought to accomplish when you pressed 'submit reply'? Obviously it wont change the issues you have with Americans, you've long since thrown out any pretenses of argumentation [more accurately, they were never there to begin with] and it certainly wouldn't have an emotional impact on someone who already discounts your opinion as less then informed.

Actually, my first post here was in response to you. My cards are still on the table. Your first reply back is all anyone really needs to see to gauge your credibility, though!

so what was the game plan? To amuse me? great success.

To have a discussion on a discussion board?

 

[Threi]

Why do you need a straw man to discuss this?

Well my response is to one poster, who insisted they are completely different things, I think they are not. I'm not intending to single out a group of people (like on the first page - like I said already bringing up the Tsunamis was uncalled for)

 

[WillyFive]

You guys really can't handle discussion like this, can you? Unbelievable.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Well my response is to one poster, who insisted they are completely different things, I think they are not. I'm not intending to single out a group of people (like on the first page - like I said already bringing up the Tsunamis was uncalled for)

Right, but no one said "you need a culprit to mourn loss."

What the poster was referring to is comparabe the difference between homicide and accidental death.

EDIT - To be clear, I am not viewing your line of questioning like that of KuntPaul, hence the .

 

[How About No]

I remember seeing an image on a tiny TV screen in my middle school library.

From all the smoke, I thought it was a space shuttle taking off. How wrong I was =/

 

[Threi]

Right, but no one said "you need a culprit to mourn loss."

What the poster was referring to is comparabe the difference between homicide and accidental death.

...and like I said what makes an accidental death more of a tragedy than a homicide? Especially on a large scale? I am probably missing something here but I think how they died is irrelevant. Would 9/11 not be as much of a tragedy (discounting media involvement) If the buildings had collapsed due to wear and tear? Or it had been an earthquake?

 

[Pandaman]

Oh, that's not so. I actually know you don't give a fuck, which is why seeing you in this topic is quite curious. If you have nothing more to contribute but spamming laughing smilies with a one-liner below, then do everyone a favor and get out.



Actually, my first post here was in response to you. My cards are still on the table. Your first reply back is all anyone really needs to see to gauge your credibility, though!



To have a discussion on a discussion board?

your inability to comprehend the seriousness of my response due to the implications of your first post is really all the evidence i need that you're incapable of handling a discussion on a discussionboard.

tell you what, i'll make it easy for you.

this:

The 'never forget' is because it was an attack on US soil, which mixed with a history of (a lot) of pride, is going to stick. It's also a reminder that democracy is not permanent, that there are people out there carrying out attacks based on hate and an unwillingness to coexist, who believe directly and purposely killing innocent people is a valid means to spread what you believe. Dangerous people living hundreds of years behind the rest of the world in the categories of morality and human rights.

can be broken down into these points:
-the attack was significant because Americans were the causalities, presumably it would have been easier or more acceptable to forget the attacks if it had occurred on foreign soil.
-americans are prideful.
-americans are not aware of the world outside of their border or of the situation in the 3rd world.
-americans are to be reminded to prevent them or their values from being attacked again.

its the classic American bubble stereotype, were one presumes that the average American is ignorant of and uncaring for events that occur outside the American border, which is complete bullshit.

so yea, you have a pretty low opinion of Americans.

oh yea, you then promptly insulted me, so you can drop the whole 'i was being super SRS, then you posted mean laughing smileys' act.

 

[Count Dookkake]

...and like I said what makes an accidental death more of a tragedy than a homicide?

It reflects a failing of humanity and not of the rock upon which we cruise the universe.

EDIT- Either I am confused regarding your position, or your sentence is backwards. Did you mean '...and like I said what makes a homicide more of a tragedy than an accidental death?'

 

[truly101]

Fair enough, although it shouldn't be much of a shock in that case though seeings as how people get killed in cold blood constantly, not to mention genocide in africa...

I think the African genocides are terribly shocking. They kidnap kids, drug them up and turn them into killing machines, raping and ethnic cleansing. Who would not find that shocking? But there's no oil in those countries so the western world ignores it on a whole. The drug cartels in Mexico and south america are getting particularly nasty as well.

 

[J-Rod]

The videos of people jumping to there certain death to avoid dying in the fire is one of the worst things I've ever seen. One moment of ordinary life turned into being surrounded by death, horror, and terror that is unimaginable. Seeing others dead or suffering a painful death, seeing some jump, what they were doing, then the contemplation and jumping yourself and sending yourself to die with certainty and no hope. The feelings of it all while seeing the ground move towards you. It must have been so terrifying. Worse than the worst nightmare and beyond my comprehension.

Even though I feel disconnected, feel desensitized, and feel it is surreal when I watch, just the most sedated and fought against bit of empathy that manages to prevail inside me still brings a feeling of indescribable sadness and horror. How so much worse it must have been for the victims.

 

[Threi]

It reflects a failing of humanity and not of the rock upon which we cruise the universe.

EDIT- Either I am confused regarding your position, or your sentence is backwards. Did you mean '...and like I said what makes a homicide more of a tragedy than an accidental death?'

Oops you're right, I screwed that up. Either way works though because I'm arguing that neither is more of a tragedy :lol

 

[jenov4]

It's insane how this was 9 years ago. I also remember it clearly, then again, this thread makes me feel old since I was like 25 at the time. :lol

http://www.goodcowfilms.com/farm/basement/ga-archive/wtc-09-11-2001.htm

Gaming Age Forums (Yes kids, Neogaf used to be called Gaming Age forums) archive of this event. Thanks Goodcow!

 

[viciouskillersquirrel]

I remember that day. I was 16 years old and had gotten up early to get to my work experience placement. I remember seeing the reports on the news that a plane had crashed into one of the WTC towers and I was like "Why are they showing a movie at this time of the morning?" Suddenly, I see Sandra Sully's face and I was like "Holy shit."

I sat there transfixed and even though there were no images yet, I was shocked when I heard that the first of the towers had collapsed. I was half-afraid that World War 3 had just started and went to work.

At the place I was working, they'd set up TVs and had the news reports going the whole day. Everybody would take breaks and stand in front of it watching the news. I went home that night and watched the news until it was time to sleep. It was the first time I'd heard of Osama bin Laden.

Crazy to think that was almost ten years ago. My entire adult life has happened since then. My final year of high school, a bad knee injury, university, working, buying a house, the Boxing Day Tsunami, Black Saturday, the GFC and a string of exes all happened in that period. In GAF time, it happened just before the GCN launch, before Sega went third party and five years before I would get back into video game consoles.

 

[mre]

If they were insane, the act wasn't evil. Evil requires a conscious choice, hence the whole "not guilty by reason of insanity" thing. Pick one, so as to keep your hyperbolic rantings consistent.

You're confusing morality and the law.

 

[whitehawk]

It's insane how this was 9 years ago. I also remember it clearly, then again, this thread makes me feel old since I was like 25 at the time. :lol

http://www.goodcowfilms.com/farm/basement/ga-archive/wtc-09-11-2001.htm

Gaming Age Forums (Yes kids, Neogaf used to be called Gaming Age forums) archive of this event. Thanks Goodcow!

Woah, weird seeing those posts.

I was 9 when the trade towers hit.. Now I'm 18. (sorry for making some of you feel old :lol)

I still remember when I first heard about it. I actually didn't know what the trade towers were, so it wasn't until I actually saw the footage that I went "oh shit.."

Can't believe the 10 year anniversary is going to be next year.

 

[akachan ningen]

They never have any new pentagon pictures. I've always been more curious about those since it wasn't covered very well on the news.

 

[DataStream]

http://www.televisionarchive.org/sept11.html

Pretty incredible document. Very bizarre to watch the coverage years later... causing some intense deja vu.

 

[nilbog21]

http://www.televisionarchive.org/sept11.html

Pretty incredible document. Very bizarre to watch the coverage years later... causing some intense deja vu.

omfg O_O

 

[comedy bomb]

Images and video of that day still bother me all these years later.

 

[Critical Jeff]

I remember the day this happened very clearly, as I'm sure most everybody does. I was working at AT&T and happened to be on a call about someone bitching about their bill. Thier long disatnce was billed at 12 cents a minute instead of 10 cents. The lady was in NYC looking out her window(a couple of blocks away) and saw the plane hit the first tower and literally dropped the phone from the shockwave of the plane hitting. She then calmly picked the phone back up, told me what happened, and went back to bitching about her bill.

Was chilling for me because I was probably the first person outside of NYC to know what had happened.

But you gotta think about how many people could have been on the phone at that exact second, and either in or around the tower when it was hit. Also the chances of someone being out of state/city is very high seeing as it's NYC. I'm not saying your story, Shick, isn't amazing too.

 

[Nobody Important]

So are these satelite photos or was there a helicopter nearby at the time?

An aerial photo of the World Trade Center complex, 12 days after its destruction on September 11, 2001. This image, as taken by a NOAA Cessna Citation from an altitude of 1 kilometre (0.6 mi), shows NYC firefighters and construction equipment surrounding the debris created by the attack. Also noticeable is how the debris caused further structural damage on the surrounding buildings.

Full Resolution 9,372×9,372 (14MB)

 

[Jangaroo]

I remember one of my classmates in elementary school crying because her mother worked in one of the towers. My dad and aunt got stuck in the city since all of the roads and bridges were blocked off. They had to walk back. I never really understood the impact of that day besides thinking, "Hey, school ended early!" I even remember playing Mario Party 1 with my brother on DK's map. Christ that was a while ago...

 

[FunkyMunkey]

can be broken down into these points:
-the attack was significant because Americans were the causalities, presumably it would have been easier or more acceptable to forget the attacks if it had occurred on foreign soil.
-americans are prideful.
-americans are not aware of the world outside of their border or of the situation in the 3rd world.
-americans are to be reminded to prevent them or their values from being attacked again.

1.) What? Where did I say that?
2.) So what if they are?
3.) What? Where did I say that?
4.) It's more of a reminder of awareness...

All those 'points' were honestly pulled from thin air. I have no idea where you assumed half of the bullshit you spewed and I have a difficult time believing you're not just fucking with me by feigning the desire to discuss.

And as an american, may I ask again, what?

its the classic American bubble stereotype, were one presumes that the average American is ignorant of and uncaring for events that occur outside the American border, which is complete bullshit.

The fact that you can come to that conclusion from what I wrote is pretty strange. Defensive parameters at full capacity?

so yea, you have a pretty low opinion of Americans.

Nope. Try again.

D for effort.

 

[J-Roderton]

I was in shop class 7th grade when that shit happened.

Crazy pics.

 

[Pandaman]

1.) What? Where did I say that?
2.) So what if they are?
3.) What? Where did I say that?
4.) It's more of a reminder of awareness...

All those 'points' were honestly pulled from thin air. I have no idea where you assumed half of the bullshit you spewed and I have a difficult time believing you're not just fucking with me by feigning the desire to discuss.

learn to read then, they're pulled as point for point rewordings of your own words. you first glorified the event as being American as if that should matter to any sane individual, you then stated that Americans needed to be reminded that 'democracy is not permanent' which is sufficiently beyond asinine to not require much discussion and that Americans needed to be reminded how most of the world works. ergo, that they previously were ignorant of those fact. it's all there, you just dressed it up as something positive, which tells me a few things.

And as an american, may I ask again, what?

The first thing it told me was that you were an American and that you yourself are one of those backwards bubble people Americans, but i couldn't just outright say it without you crying. again. So all i had to do was to string along your fumbling idiocy until you tried to use your status as an American citizen as an out for any possible negative connotations behind your opinions.

now that you've done that i can say that your opinion seems to simply be a matter of you projecting your own ignorant opinions on Americans as a whole. Please stop doing that.


----

that television archive is amazing.

 

[Drkirby]

I bet there still people alive who have grand parents who were around 230 years ago , thats how young america is

Add two more generations, and maybe

Really, most families that have been here since the nation became independent have most likely have had 7 to 12 generations born in this country by now.

 

[Count Dookkake]

I get heated because I was there, but all terrorism is bad.

 

[tHoMNZ]

i remember protecting my arab friend from racist attacks on him at school. In New Zealand, so it happened early morning our time, sept 12. Was 13 at the time

 

[noah111]

i remember protecting my arab friend from racist attacks on him at school. In New Zealand, so it happened early morning our time, sept 12. Was 13 at the time

Yeah, it was a really shitty time to be arab, or anyone from the middle east for that mater.. I remember hearing it on the radio on my way to school and remember our teacher telling us why so many children were absent (which I didn't understand tbh). It sunk in later when I actually saw it all, and then after more info was released about it the arab bullying started from here and there.

Nothing serious, but it was annoying to say the least.

 

[i_am_ben]

I remember that day. I was 16 years old and had gotten up early to get to my work experience placement. I remember seeing the reports on the news that a plane had crashed into one of the WTC towers and I was like "Why are they showing a movie at this time of the morning?" Suddenly, I see Sandra Sully's face and I was like "Holy shit."

I sat there transfixed and even though there were no images yet, I was shocked when I heard that the first of the towers had collapsed. I was half-afraid that World War 3 had just started and went to work.

At the place I was working, they'd set up TVs and had the news reports going the whole day. Everybody would take breaks and stand in front of it watching the news. I went home that night and watched the news until it was time to sleep. It was the first time I'd heard of Osama bin Laden.

Crazy to think that was almost ten years ago. My entire adult life has happened since then. My final year of high school, a bad knee injury, university, working, buying a house, the Boxing Day Tsunami, Black Saturday, the GFC and a string of exes all happened in that period. In GAF time, it happened just before the GCN launch, before Sega went third party and five years before I would get back into video game consoles.

For me it was:

I found this browsing the web like a month ago and was blown away that other people's first thought when turning on the TV was also "Where the fuck is Cheez TV?".

Also, I guess it should technically be 12/9/2001 as we're a day ahead.

 

[SmokyDave]

I watched a few vids last night as this topic was in my mind. It really was an incredibly surreal event. This topic is depressing though, I was at work when the planes struck, most people in here were in school. I'm so old.

Talk shit about our history and that's the best you got?

:lol

Have fun watching an American movie this weekend.

I thought you were English?

 

[Empty]

I was nine when it happened, vaguely remember watching it on tv after school and being shocked. I do remember that the next day at school someone in my class claimed that 'his uncle had died in 9/11' as an excuse for why he hadn't done his homework, which backfired when the teacher tried to comfort the parent as he was being picked up and discovered it was bullshit, leading to an amazing bollocking.

 

[Lolligag]

This is a clip from the Naudet brother's documentary. He was filming inside one tower while the other collapsed. (

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3umJCmD7vos

The full video is very depressing. You see a lot of the firefighters in the lobby that started up the stairs that never made it out.

Longer section...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTmadBDjHwM

They were the only ones to film the first plane hit. The department was called out to investigate a gas smell and one of the brothers rode along and caught it on film.

Those clips seem so familiar to the World Trade Center movie, were the people that movie was based on a part of that team?

I haven't seen the movie since it was in the theatres.

 

[Jamesearlcash]

I was in school on my free period playing yahoo pool with someone who just lives in nyc, they told me as it happened and i was like yeah right.... then 5 minutes later a teacher ran in and put a tv on, i was like wtf.

 

[neorej]

Just to clear things up, I posted the Tsunami because I'm sick and tired of Americans constantly bringing up 9/11. Yes it was horrific, yes there were lots of deaths and yes it was a great tragedy. But FFS it's been 9 years ago and still you can't fart in NY without someone yelling at you for being disrespectful towards the events of 9/11 it seems.

Fuck, it's been NINE YEARS. Victims of the Tsunami have picked up their daily lifes as much as they can pretty quickly afterwards, why can't the US? I didn't post the tsunami to make a dick-measuring-contest of who has the biggest tragedy, but to point out that the media hardly make any documentaries or reports on how victims of the tsunami are doing, and yet the US makes damn sure we never forget about 9/11.

Nine years. I think we've reached the point where we can safely say move the fuck on a long time ago, unless you have been personally involved in the tragedy (lost a friend/relative in the events).

 

[Zaptruder]

I remember playing Ragnarok Online alpha at 2am in the morning (+8GMT here), seeing a text chat of: OMG PLANE CRASHED INTO THE TWIN TOWER!

Bullshit.

A few moments passed, and a chorus of OMGs following it prompted me to get off my ass and turn on the TV; CNN live coverage reports were been used, describing the scene of the first plane crash, only to be followed shortly by the second... frantic reports describing the scenarios, the suspects, how quickly people were been evacated...

Ten years on, images of 9/11 and the videos of it is little more than historic curiosity. Not unlike mentions of Al Gore's defeat to Bush, Princess Diana's death, etc.

 

[VAIL]

Just to clear things up, I posted the Tsunami because I'm sick and tired of Americans constantly bringing up 9/11. Yes it was horrific, yes there were lots of deaths and yes it was a great tragedy. But FFS it's been 9 years ago and still you can't fart in NY without someone yelling at you for being disrespectful towards the events of 9/11 it seems.

Fuck, it's been NINE YEARS. Victims of the Tsunami have picked up their daily lifes as much as they can pretty quickly afterwards, why can't the US? I didn't post the tsunami to make a dick-measuring-contest of who has the biggest tragedy, but to point out that the media hardly make any documentaries or reports on how victims of the tsunami are doing, and yet the US makes damn sure we never forget about 9/11.

Nine years. I think we've reached the point where we can safely say move the fuck on a long time ago, unless you have been personally involved in the tragedy (lost a friend/relative in the events).

NEVER FORGET!!!

Spoiler

I agree 100%, move the fuck on people

 

[FunkyMunkey]

learn to read then, they're pulled as point for point rewordings of your own words. you first glorified the event as being American as if that should matter to any sane individual, you then stated that Americans needed to be reminded that 'democracy is not permanent' which is sufficiently beyond asinine to not require much discussion and that Americans needed to be reminded how most of the world works. ergo, that they previously were ignorant of those fact. it's all there, you just dressed it up as something positive, which tells me a few things.

"The 'never forget' is because it was an attack on US soil, which mixed with a history of (a lot) of pride, is going to stick. It's also a reminder that democracy is not permanent, that there are people out there carrying out attacks based on hate and an unwillingness to coexist, who believe directly and purposely killing innocent people is a valid means to spread what you believe. Dangerous people living hundreds of years behind the rest of the world in the categories of morality and human rights."

Bolded: It would matter to the country saying "never forget", wouldn't it? And glorified? What?

Underline: That's a pretty far reach between those sentences. A reminder doesn't mean you forgot... hence the "never forget". Is that slogan an insult to Americans itself? It would be under your conditions.

I quoted myself to see if that would help me find where you're getting this from but I can't see it.

The first thing it told me was that you were an American and that you yourself are one of those backwards bubble people Americans, but i couldn't just outright say it without you crying. again. So all i had to do was to string along your fumbling idiocy until you tried to use your status as an American citizen as an out for any possible negative connotations behind your opinions.

Hmmmm, I can't seem to find anywhere where I cried. I do see you failing beyond embarrassment at assembling an even remotely valid reply, though. I actually stated I was an American to give myself credit, but I guess it doesn't matter where I'm from, does it? Would I know more about US culture if I lived in Italy? Or maybe England? You make no sense at all.

9/11 reminds us that democracy is not permanent? Wat.

I actually didn't even mean not permanent, but not immune. That was complete miswording.

 

[Kentpaul]

arabs got such a hard time were where i live after it, people running up with cakes and squashing it in there face at school goddam

 

[numble]

9/11 reminds us that democracy is not permanent? Wat.

 

[Baron Doggystyle von Woof]

Just to clear things up, I posted the Tsunami because I'm sick and tired of Americans constantly bringing up 9/11. Yes it was horrific, yes there were lots of deaths and yes it was a great tragedy. But FFS it's been 9 years ago and still you can't fart in NY without someone yelling at you for being disrespectful towards the events of 9/11 it seems.

Fuck, it's been NINE YEARS. Victims of the Tsunami have picked up their daily lifes as much as they can pretty quickly afterwards, why can't the US? I didn't post the tsunami to make a dick-measuring-contest of who has the biggest tragedy, but to point out that the media hardly make any documentaries or reports on how victims of the tsunami are doing, and yet the US makes damn sure we never forget about 9/11.

Nine years. I think we've reached the point where we can safely say move the fuck on a long time ago, unless you have been personally involved in the tragedy (lost a friend/relative in the events).

this. and oh yeah, watch Iraq pics.

 

[FunkyMunkey]

edit: browser :/

 

[CrankyJay]

I kind of understand where some people are coming from when they say "move on", but when you compare lives lost in natural disasters such as a tsunami or a massive earthquake to 9/11, it's a little different.

Yes, we lost a fraction of the people...but this was in a deliberate attack. Just goes to show that evil truly does exist. Let people grieve and remember. If you don't like it, please keep it to yourselves.