Master Yoshi
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New Info: Trump's Ties to Sergei Millian, Russian Intelligence (& Detailed Timeline)
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4chan is in the White House?
Insidious scumbag Stephen Bannon, now Trump's senior adviser, ran the "news" (Breitbart) site that gives 4chan's alt-right board most of its info and opinion, and is hiring more from his extremist right website.
Muppet of a Man
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Stop being a contrarian tool in every thread and spouting "fake news" when the dude has all his sources well documented and has a clear line of logic. And now the WSJ is reporting on it as well, and they are owned by fucking Rupert Murdoch. I'm seeing you do this shit in every thread. Cut it out.
He said the OP is just posting fake news and now the WSJ is actually reporting pretty much the same stuff.
superdeluxe
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So BowieZ broke this story. He should send this to @20committee
Hmmm
They're not though - they're reporting that he was a source for the dossier. The only real source claiming he has close ties to Trump is still just the guy himself, beyond that photo. Trump Org, Cohen all deny he had anything to do with him: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-r...ce-key-trump-dossier-claims/story?id=45019603
And I maintain 90% of the facts "reported" in the OP are irrelevant, as you can see in the example I provided. That's not journalism, that's implying conclusions can be drawn from facts that don't back it up.
If concrete evidence of a close relationship between Trump and this guy turns up, I'll gladly take a walk though.
So, you are just going to take the word of Michael Cohen over the well put together and sourced paper trail of connections and sources listed in the OP?
Do you think he spoke favorably of Trump with the Russian press and press elsewhere out of the kindness of his own heart?
Why would he be at the black tie inauguration event if Cohen and the Trump org seem to be hostile with him as they themselves claim since the summer of this year? Here is on stage on Jan 20.
Seems to have some ties to me.
I know right, I'm kinda ashamed lol.
R10Neymarfan
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Can someone get this to the proper media attention? WSJ is a locked source
So, you are just going to take the word of Michael Cohen over the well put together and sourced paper trail of connections and sources listed in the OP?
Do you think he spoke favorably of Trump with the Russian press and press elsewhere out of the kindness of his own heart?
Why would he be at the black tie inauguration event if Cohen and the Trump org seem to be hostile with him as they themselves claim since the summer of this year? Here is on stage on Jan 20.
Seems to have some ties to me.
I don't know how you get tickets for something like that - I assume some are just for sale? As for why he keeps blabbing Trump's name (he even gave an interview to ABC News back in July), I'm guessing he wants publicity. If he's colluding with Trump or a Russian intelligence agent he's doing a pretty shit job flying under the radar. Occam's razor - the simplest explanation is also the most probable.
I posted a link to an ABC article above.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=228363285&postcount=12831
Ex Mi-6 agent Chris Steele's 35 page long opposition research dossier on Trump is dated October 18th and has this bombshell in it:
Russian State Oil Company CEO Sechin (who is part of Putin's inner circle) offered Trump/Page associates 19% stake in Rosneft if personal and state sanctions were lifted.
SOURCE: https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...llegations.pdf
On November 7th, Russia signed the deal to sell 19.5% of its stake in Rosneft - which amounts to $11 billion - to Glencore Plc and Qatar sovereign wealth fund.
Commodity trader Glencore Plc and Qatars sovereign wealth fund agreed to buy a 10.2-billion euro ($11 billion) stake in Russias largest oil producer from the state in a triumph for President Vladimir Putin over sanctions imposed by the West.
SOURCE:https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...for-11-billion
You can use Occam's razor to support a connection here too. Does press interviews for Trump, says he has worked with trump, had a broker deal with trump, has met trump, is at trumps inauguration.
Probably connected to Trump.
Your argument is that he isn't connected to Trump. The simplest answer is that he is.
He has 82 twitter followers, and he has largely been off the radar since late summer, when rumblings about russian interference started to surface. By his own admission he distanced himself because of Russian connections. He may not actually be a spy, but may genuinely have connections to Russians who knew of the Kompromat. He may very well just inadvertently be a source for intel, and that might explain his relative stupidity in posting a picture of himself on stage at a Trump event. My guess is he will completely disappear after this story has broke (he is already not responding to the press).
Either way, you can't just openly dismiss OP as fake news. There are sources, interviews, and photos that establish facts. You coming in here saying it's a bunch of BS without any other sourcing than Cohen should be met with more scrutiny than OP's post. Legitimate news organizations, you may have noticed, are not calling this fake news. They are reporting on it and asking Cohen about it. Cohen's word should be met with extreme scrutiny given he is implicated in the very dossier that may have been sourced by Millian (and Millian's intel is corroborated by other sources according to WSJ).
Oh yeah, Cohen and Trumps people deny they are involved with Russia. They would definitely just admit if they were colluding with them.
Right, lol.
Cohen: Dammit, you've got us. Yeah we are very close with Sergei and he definitely could be one of the sources for that dossier. I guess some of it might not be fake.
By saying they do have strong ties to him it would legitimize the dossier and strengthen evidence of Russian collusion, so obviously cohen is going to distance himself and trump from him.
Lord Frieza
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Same thing he does in all these threads: defends Trump to the last breath while denying that he's a Trump supporter to the last breath.
damn, so it is that obvious.
Muppet of a Man
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Seriously. He ain't fooling anyone.
I don't really care if you guys think I'm a Trump supporter (I've made plenty of posts that would indicate I'm not), but it seems like it would be better for the discussion if you attacked the content of my posts rather than me though. It's fine if people want to debate whether or not I'm right in calling it fake news for example.
Also an anagram of JSW.
Team Manic Miner.
Lord Frieza
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The content of your posts attacks itself.
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WiiredShawn
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Like.
It can't be "fake news".
The points are sourced.
You can argue about whether the individual pieces add up to a true narrative, or if the links are just convenient.
But "fake news" is, e.g., saying "Sergei Millian is in the White House right now making Trump lick his face in exchange for Putin's blessing."
In that it's something I just made up. I have nothing to substantiate it. It's a fabrication spun to muddy the waters of reality.
Saying "Trump has ties to Sergei Millian and Russian intelligence" is not that because there are facts that substantiate a relationship right in front of us.
C'mon.
To me it seems more similar to the conspiracy about Obama being a Muslim or having ties to the Muslim brotherhood. I seem to remember a lot of "proof" about who Obama associated with. And a lot of conclusion people drawn from that.
Yeah I mean I'm not disputing the facts, but I think saying "Trump has ties to Sergei Millian and Russian intelligence" is disingenuous considering the only evidence beyond the word of Millian is a photo from eight years ago, and I'm sure Trump has taken photos with tens of thousands of people in that timeframe. The other material (like I outlined from the 2008) seems designed to further obfuscate the fact no real evidence of ties has been established, beyond Millian's word. That meets my definition of "fake news", but clearly not everyone's.
The difference between this post and the WSJ article is that the WSJ story is that this guy who has been claiming he has links to Trump (which the article clearly states have never been verified and are denied by Trump Org and Cohen) is the source for the dossier (which has been widely reported to the extent that anything related to it is a news story in itself). The story isn't "Trump has ties to Sergei Millian and Russian intelligence".
Firstly, I understand "Trump has ties" is a loaded phrase. You're assuming I meant to impart the most negative connotation. I didn't. (I even updated the OP to reflect this.) Once again, I apologise if it was misleading in any way. However, technically speaking he *does* have ties. Now, they may be tenuous. I'm not disputing that.
But secondly, you're being disingenuous. It would indeed have been disingenuous of me to position the thread as something biased and conspiratorial like "Newly discovered links prove deeply entrenched ties between Trump and known Russian intelligence operative," and write a vague flowery hit piece with poor sourcing. Instead, I did the complete opposite. I simply presented all the facts I could find relevant to a potentially incriminating connection, and let the reader judge for themselves. The reason for me doing this is that there's the potential for the U.S. President to be a traitor. It's not an accusation. But that potential deserves investigation and as much clear information as possible.
Holy shit, GAF works at Reuters now too. I remember a post of compiled sources with the outline of this article.
minor effort
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Isn't that Lawrence from the band Felt?
Oh yeah, wasn't it RDreamer?
^ Guy.brush linked to his post in another thread (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=228363285&postcount=12831) above. I'm not sure if he broke the info on GAF though.
It's hard to say which clues are important until all the pieces are assembled to create the full picture (which is why I decided to make this thread; it may turn out to be nothing at all, or unequivocally crucial).
Yeah, that 19.5% story another GAFer worked on is also an extremely important "tie" to investigate. Possibly even more important.
It's hard to say which clues are important until all the pieces are assembled to create the full picture (which is why I decided to make this thread; it may turn out to be nothing at all, or unequivocally crucial).
No it was some Hillary Stan called Polaris or something
RustyNails
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You're downplaying this so fucking hard.
Of course trump and cohen would deny. Is this your first day on earth? Why do you think they would not deny? Someone accused of high treason will of course deny the accusation. It means absolutely nothing. Their word has zero standing, and you should not quote it.
Second, Millian was at Trump inauguration in a VIP event. Meaning, he has enough sway over Trump to get that access.
Third, you are doing fake news shtick over fucking WSJ. If you didn't know, WSJ is Rupert Murdoch owned right-leaning paper that hates Democrats and Hillary's guts.
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Ha, it is indeed.
SyenceLabb
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What the fuck is going on in this thread? I'm so confused.
Trojita
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http://www.wsj.com/articles/key-claims-in-trump-dossier-came-from-head-of-russian-american-business-group-source-1485253804"]http://www.wsj.com/articles/key-claims-in-trump-dossier-came-from-head-of-russian-american-business-group-source-1485253804[/URL]
Wall Street Journal said:
Cohen is showing his ass.
And so are you
RustyNails
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Gaffer (OP) breaks a story before WSJ. poLari, a valiant Trump and North Korea defender extraordinaire, accuses him of posting fake news and refuses to hold the L.
I wonder if the bank Intesa SanPaolo has something to do with this.
Italian bank Intesa to help fund Rosneft deal for Glencore and Qatar: sources
Wikipedia - Intesa SanPaolo
Intesa Sanpaolo Activities in Russia
Note that Michael Cohen, the implicated Trump lawyer, spent his infamous "holiday" in Italy last June-July.
EDIT:
Did some digging.
Intesa SanPaolo (a merger with Russian bank Bank Intesa)'s two top staff are:
- Chairman Gian Maria Gros-Pietro
- Deputy chairperson Paolo Andrea Colombo
- Both of them have worked in the past at Eni - an Italian multinational oil and gas company headquartered in Rome.
- Eni was involved in the Central Energy Italian Gas Holding scandal of 2005 (see below).
- Central Energy Italian Gas Holding (CEIGH) is a gas distribution and trade company. It is a part of the Centrex Group, a company related to Gazprom. A deal between Italian Eni and Gazprom picked CEIGH as a partner delivering gas to Italy.
- Gazprom is a large Russian company, founded in 1989, which carries on the business of extraction, production, transport, and sale of natural gas.
The scandal:
And other scandals:
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