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New mother arrested in Tennessee after giving birth due to drug use while pregnant.

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Wilsongt

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Tennessee Arrests First Mother Under Its New Pregnancy Criminalization Law

At the beginning of July, 26-year-old Mallory Loyola gave birth to a baby girl. Two days later, the state of Tennessee charged her with assault. Loyola is the first woman to be arrested under a new law in Tennessee that allows the state to criminally charge mothers for potentially causing harm to their fetuses by using drugs.

The legislation, which officially took effect about a week ago, stipulates that “a woman may be prosecuted for assault for the illegal use of a narcotic drug while pregnant, if her child is born addicted to or harmed by the narcotic drug.” However, this may not actually apply to Loyola’s case. So far, there’s no evidence the young woman either used a narcotic drug or caused harm to her newborn child.

According to local news reports, Loyola tested positive for methamphetamine and admitted that she smoked that drug several days before giving birth. Meth is not considered to be a narcotic, which is a legal class of drugs that refers to opiates like heroin and prescription painkillers. Tennessee’s new law was passed specifically in response to fears about babies being exposed to opiates in utero, something that can lead to “Neonatal Abstinence Syndrome.”

“This law was sold as if it were just about illegal narcotics. But sure enough, the first case has nothing to do with illegal narcotics — and nothing actually to do with harm to anybody,” Lynn Paltrow, the executive director of National Advocates for Pregnant Women (NAPW), one of the groups that’s firmly opposed to laws that criminalize drug use during pregnancy, told ThinkProgress. “There’s no injury. There’s just a positive drug test.”

The opposition to the new state law, which is the first of its kind in the country, isn’t driven solely by Paltrow’s group. Every major medical organization — including the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, and the American Public Health Association — has come out against efforts to arrest pregnant women who use drugs.
A diverse coalition of reproductive rights and criminal justice groups in Tennessee launched a huge campaign against the proposed legislation, called “Healthcare Not Handcuffs,” to point out that threatening women with criminal charges dissuades them from coming forward to get the medical help they need.

“These punitive measures are proven to be ineffective, and yet our state chooses to waste tax dollars locking up women instead of getting them the health care they need,” Rebecca Terrell, the chair of Healthy and Free Tennessee, one of the groups involved in the opposition campaign, told ThinkProgress via email. “We are already receiving reports of women seeking out non-licensed health providers to avoid having a medical record and risking arrest. This is extremely dangerous.”


It’s not uncommon for women to be arrested for testing positive for drugs either while pregnant or shortly after giving birth. This particular criminal approach is animated by the 1980s era image of the “crack baby.” However, there’s no scientific evidence that being exposed to illegal drugs in the womb actually causes long-lasting health issues in young children. In fact, studies have found that exposing fetuses to cocaine, meth, and opiates is about as harmful as exposing them to cigarettes.


Although medical professionals would obviously prefer that pregnant women don’t use drugs, advocacy groups like NAPW argue that charging them with criminal negligence for doing so is a gross overreach — and one that strips women of their fundamental rights once they become pregnant.

“This view of pregnant women essentially means that as soon as you’re carrying a fertilized egg, you’ve lost your medical privacy and your right to make medical decisions,” Paltrow pointed out. “But all matters concerning pregnancy are health care matters. Pregnancy, like other health issues, should be addressed through the public health system and not through the criminal punishment system or the civil child welfare system.”



Plus, the criminalization of pregnant women disproportionately impacts low-income women of color who often end up losing custody of their children. The vast majority of cases that NAPW has tracked involve African American mothers.


The American Civil Liberties Union of Tennessee is currently seeking plaintiffs to challenge the state’s new law. “This dangerous law unconstitutionally singles out new mothers struggling with addiction for criminal assault charges,” the group notes in a statement, encouraging people who are concerned about the impact that the measure will have on their families to get in touch.

It's slowly becoming more and more apparent that those who make these kinds of laws and who have continued this crusade against reproductive rights have no idea what the hell they are doing. You make it a criminal act to get an abortion, and then you start making it a criminal act to take even legal narcotic drugs during pregnancy out of fear the child will be damaged. GOP: We care about a child from the time the sperm goes into a vagina until the time a baby pops from that vagina, but we don't care a damn thing about what happens after the fact.
 

Alchemy

Member
For something like meth, I'm ok with this. I'd also be ok with measures like this applying to alcohol and cigarettes. However extending it to prescribed medication like certain pain killers is a little crazy, but that doesn't seem to apply to this situation. The law itself sounds pretty scary though.
 
I'm conflicted here. The "criminalization of pregnant women" helps no one, but surely doing meth while pregnant is a bad thing that has a potential to be harmful to the child, no? I mean, the article says that smoking meth while pregnant is "about as harmful as cigarettes," as if that were an innocuous thing. You shouldn't smoke while pregnant either.
 

collige

Banned
Obviously, using drugs while pregnant sucks. But like most issues with drugs, I don't see how criminally charging the mother does any good, especially if they're lumping the charge in with generic assaults. What are they gonna do, put her in prison?
 

Wilsongt

Member
While I don't condone the use of drugs like this during pregnancy, or smoking, the fact that they even made a law for this based on no scientific evidence is simply appalling.

Edit: It's certainly an issue to torn about. However, the precedent of the bill is amazingly slimy because it's basically a way to circumvent charging a woman with fetal assault post twenty weeks of pregnancy by assuming she took the drugs solely to harm the child.
 
Jesus, ladies . . . get an abortion if you are going to fucking smoke meth. You are not caring for the fetus and you are clearly not ready to be a mother.
 
While I don't condone the use of drugs like this during pregnancy, or smoking, the fact that they even made a law for this based on no scientific evidence is simply appalling.

Well it is not exactly easy to run an ethical scientific study on the effects of meth on pregnancy. I guess you can try to run one based what people reported they did but you are not going to get good data because they are not likely to tell the truth.
 

Damaniel

Banned
Obviously, using drugs while pregnant sucks. But like most issues with drugs, I don't see how criminally charging the mother does any good, especially if they're lumping the charge in with generic assaults. What are they gonna do, put her in prison?

Of course they are. To them, women are nothing but baby incubators. Of course, now that the baby is actually born, they're not going to give the slightest shit about it. If it were a boy, they might care in 18 years, but she'll be doomed to a life of being shuffled from foster home to foster home while her mom rots in jail.

Stay classy, 'pro-family' conservatives.
 
Good luck to her potentially finding a clinic. 94% of the state lacks the services.

Well, as of two years ago Tennessee was the regional destination for women seeking abortion, with out-of-state women accounting for one in every four abortions (the amendment mentioned did not pass). A quick Google search shows there to be clinics available in Knoxville, Bristol, Chattanooga, Nashville, and Memphis—so every major city, and pretty much the entire stretch of the state. I dunno about other places, but I imagine only major cities offer such services in most states.
 

ICKE

Banned
I support harsh measures in these incidents.

I can't stand the sight of pregnant women drinking alcohol or smoking in public, I'm sorry but you have to give up certain pleasures when you decide to take that responsibility upon yourself. That being said, sending these females to prison is not the best option but there are other avenues the state can take.
 

Settin

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Assault? How about child endangerment? This is more like gross negligence than a vicious attack on the child.
 
Important to those who say the support this kind of measure, from the article:

The opposition to the new state law, which is the first of its kind in the country, isn’t driven solely by Paltrow’s group. Every major medical organization — including the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, and the American Public Health Association — has come out against efforts to arrest pregnant women who use drugs. A diverse coalition of reproductive rights and criminal justice groups in Tennessee launched a huge campaign against the proposed legislation, called “Healthcare Not Handcuffs,” to point out that threatening women with criminal charges dissuades them from coming forward to get the medical help they need.

“These punitive measures are proven to be ineffective, and yet our state chooses to waste tax dollars locking up women instead of getting them the health care they need,” Rebecca Terrell, the chair of Healthy and Free Tennessee, one of the groups involved in the opposition campaign, told ThinkProgress via email. “We are already receiving reports of women seeking out non-licensed health providers to avoid having a medical record and risking arrest. This is extremely dangerous.”
 

ICKE

Banned
Important to those who say the support this kind of measure, from the article:

Arresting seems absolutely pointless and will only cost more money but clearly these individuals are not capable of being responsible parents and the state needs to step in. They should lose custody unless they can clean up properly. Some of these cases are so extreme I personally would actually go further than that (the idea of forced sterilization makes me very uncomfortable though).

Children have to put up with some serious shit throughout their whole lives, because of junkie parents.
 

Wilsongt

Member
Arresting seems absolutely pointless and will only cost more money but clearly these individuals are not capable of being responsible parents and the state needs to step in. They should lose custody unless they can clean up properly. Some of these cases are so extreme I personally would actually go further than that (the idea of forced sterilization makes me very uncomfortable though).

Children have to put up with some serious shit throughout their whole lives, because of junkie parents.

What is arresting the parent who just gave birth accomplishing, though? Where would the newborn go? What if there are no other family members? Do you just put them into a foster home, or wait for someone to adopt them?

It seems you are doing more harm to the child by insisting that you want to put the woman in jail than by actively working to get her much needed help if she has a drug addiction.

However, the way this article frames it, she wasn't a hardcore drug addict who was shooting up ever chance she got.
 

ICKE

Banned
What is arresting the parent who just gave birth accomplishing, though? Where would the newborn go? What if there are no other family members? Do you just put them into a foster home, or wait for someone to adopt them?

It seems you are doing more harm to the child by insisting that you want to put the woman in jail than by actively working to get her much needed help if she has a drug addiction.

However, the way this article frames it, she wasn't a hardcore drug addict who was shooting up ever chance she got.

I never said jail was a good option for these females but I don't want newborns or children in general to be under the supervision of junkies. Yes, custody needs to go.
 
Oh, it's good to be in Tennessee!
Where the morals run wild and free!
There's a Bible here and some Churches, too!
And more god damned people than can fit the pew!
We've got kids named Messiah, though it's not allowed!
But a meth-induced abortion--that does our state proud!
 

Settin

Member
What is arresting the parent who just gave birth accomplishing, though? Where would the newborn go? What if there are no other family members? Do you just put them into a foster home, or wait for someone to adopt them?

It seems you are doing more harm to the child by insisting that you want to put the woman in jail than by actively working to get her much needed help if she has a drug addiction.

However, the way this article frames it, she wasn't a hardcore drug addict who was shooting up ever chance she got.
Foster care or family members, just like any other child abuse/neglect case.
 

Kazerei

Banned
The War on Drugs is so stupid and wasteful. This is just another way to slap more criminal charges and jail time on drug users, all while letting lawmakers feel morally superior.
 
I never said jail was a good option for these females but I don't want newborns or children in general to be under the supervision of junkies. Yes, custody needs to go.

It is actually possible to be a junkie and a good parent, yeah a large proportion aren't but to just their take kids off all of them would do far more harm
 

andthebeatgoeson

Junior Member
It is actually possible to be a junkie and a good parent, yeah a large proportion aren't but to just their take kids off all of them would do far more harm
Do we know what constitutes being a good parent and how to figure out if a 'large proportion' of 'junkies'are not? If its just exposing their kids to harmful substances, then I would put cigarette smoke in with that category.
 

Two Words

Member
It should be a federal crime to take any drug while pregnant. If your intention is to keep the baby, then you shouldn't be allowed to harm it with drugs. How is it any different than waiting for the kid to be born and put a lit cigar in his mouth right away?
 

BigDug13

Member
I never said jail was a good option for these females but I don't want newborns or children in general to be under the supervision of junkies. Yes, custody needs to go.

Is the care of a foster home automatically better than a parent who uses drugs? I can't say my life would have been better if I was taken from my cocaine using dad and put in a home. Fairly certain my life would have ended up worse. Using drugs does not automatically make you unfit to be a parent to the point where foster care is automatically a better situation.
 

TCKaos

Member
My only issue with this law is that it'll just encourage meth moms to stay away from hospitals when giving birth, meaning that the child will have literally no care and be unknown to the state instead of at least a slim chance or survival and a proper life.
 

Chumly

Member
I'm sure Tennessee out in a great system to take care of these babies for when they arrest these mothers..... O wait..... I'm all for helping people be better parents etc but we have such a punitive society and taking the babies mother away from the child isn't going to help in most situations. Our foster care is bad and underfunded the way it is now I don't see adding more to it is going to help.

On top of this the only thing this law is going to do is encourage mothers to give birth at home or with "street doctors". A few more high profile arrests and drug users will just stop going to the doctors and hospitals when there pregnant
 

richiek

steals Justin Bieber DVDs
Maybe if local and state governments weren't busy pushing abstinence only education and restricting access to abortions, perhaps less women would take drugs while pregnant.

Also:

It’s not uncommon for women to be arrested for testing positive for drugs either while pregnant or shortly after giving birth. This particular criminal approach is animated by the 1980s era image of the “crack baby.” However, there’s no scientific evidence that being exposed to illegal drugs in the womb actually causes long-lasting health issues in young children. In fact, studies have found that exposing fetuses to cocaine, meth, and opiates is about as harmful as exposing them to cigarettes.

The "crack baby" epidemic was a bullshit scare tactic that unproportionaly stigmatized black mothers.
 

entremet

Member
So instead of getting these women treatment for their addictions, we're going to throw them in jail and remove them from their kids?

Brilliant stuff!

It should be a federal crime to take any drug while pregnant. If your intention is to keep the baby, then you shouldn't be allowed to harm it with drugs. How is it any different than waiting for the kid to be born and put a lit cigar in his mouth right away?

I don't think putting addicts in jail is effective. I'm fine with taking away the baby. But do we really need more people in jail for what is treatment problem.
 
Plus, the criminalization of pregnant women disproportionately impacts low-income women of color who often end up losing custody of their children. The vast majority of cases that NAPW has tracked involve African American mothers.
i am shocked and stunned and surprised by this news.
 
Laws like this are terrifying.

I once miscarried. I didn't know I was pregnant when it happened. So it's possible I could be charged with murder because I was smoking at the time and possibly had a drink or two before I found out I was pregnant.

I was under the impression that these laws failed to pass, I knew there were several of them up for vote a few years ago (one that made it illegal not to investigate every miscarriage for potential murder charges)
 

SapientWolf

Trucker Sexologist
Sane people don't want to jail addicts for being addicts. These sorts of laws should exist to protect children from mothers that are that irresponsible.
If the idea is to do the least harm to the child then the focus should be on getting expectant mothers to confront their addiction and getting them clean, instead of forcing them into hiding and then throwing them in jail after the child is born. Which is the point that health care professionals are trying to make.
 

Abounder

Banned
Wouldn't Child Protective Services just end up taking the child away anyway?

On the one hand it should be illegal to potentially damage an unborn child especially with illegal drugs (greater good > individual liberty to take meth). On the other hand the state isn't exactly great either. Hopefully they at least take some rehab courses in jail.
 
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That Drug War
 
Laws like this are terrifying.

I once miscarried. I didn't know I was pregnant when it happened. So it's possible I could be charged with murder because I was smoking at the time and possibly had a drink or two before I found out I was pregnant.

I was under the impression that these laws failed to pass, I knew there were several of them up for vote a few years ago (one that made it illegal not to investigate every miscarriage for potential murder charges)

Firstly, I'm very sorry to hear of your situation.

But, if you didn't know you were pregnant, I'm sure those who would enforce the law wouldn't know. Maybe there are parameters of the law that account for that and only impose these penalties after a certain point of the term, such as how abortion is no longer available after a certain point of the term. Clicking through the original article that ThinkProgress got this from, they suspected the mother of smoking meth because they check babies for a host of issues at birth, and this particular baby apparently had methamphetamine in its system.

I absolutely oppose sending this mother to jail and this law is a joke, but smoking meth while very obviously pregnant is surely something that should be discouraged, even if the article in the OP makes light of its consequences.
 
Firstly, I'm very sorry to hear of your situation.

But, if you didn't know you were pregnant, I'm sure those who would enforce the law wouldn't know. Maybe there are parameters of the law that account for that and only impose these penalties after a certain point of the term, such as how abortion is no longer available after a certain point of the term. Clicking through the original article that ThinkProgress got this from, they suspected the mother of smoking meth because they check babies for a host of issues at birth, and this particular baby apparently had methamphetamine in its system.

I absolutely oppose sending this mother to jail and this law is a joke, but smoking meth while very obviously pregnant is surely something that should be discouraged, even if the article in the OP makes light of its consequences.

Of course it should be discouraged. But arresting/throwing in jail people that do that will only send others into hiding and not getting the medical help they obviously need.

One of these laws that was proposed would require every miscarriage to be investigated for possible 'interference' by the mother. It was another one of those 'anti-abortion' laws, I can't remember what state was proposing it. I hope it failed though, I haven't heard anything more about it so I assume it had.
 

Wilsongt

Member
Of course it should be discouraged. But arresting/throwing in jail people that do that will only send others into hiding and not getting the medical help they obviously need.

One of these laws that was proposed would require every miscarriage to be investigated for possible 'interference' by the mother. It was another one of those 'anti-abortion' laws, I can't remember what state was proposing it. I hope it failed though, I haven't heard anything more about it so I assume it had.

Georgia. Most women don't know they are pregnant until several weeks after the fact. If someone had a drink and then miscarried without knowing, they could have been charged with murder.
 
Georgia. Most women don't know they are pregnant until several weeks after the fact. If someone had a drink and then miscarried without knowing, they could have been charged with murder.

That law didn't become an actual law right? Please tell me it didn't.
 
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