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[JGS]

This is about BC being a right instead of a privileged. I am a catholic, but I think this is a great idea. Health Care should cover as wide a range of medical issues as possible, and the pill can be used to treat illness. If a person feels like it goes against their specific religious beliefs, then they don't have to take the medicine. We have the rite to refuse medical treatment.

Although I don't disagree with your opinion personally, BC is not a right any more than any other voluntary drug is. heck, life and death medicine isn't even a right in the US. This isn't even about religion since the Catholic Church is free and clear.

A company should not be made responsible for whether someone wants to have a kid or not. There's no kind of connection there except for the annoyance of having to find a replacement.

If the government feels that every woman deserves BC, then the government should cover it. I have no issues with that whatsoever and this is further proof as to why the healthcare plan needs to be stronger and not the wimpy version that came about.

These options are not going to force women to go against their beliefs. If they end up taking the medicine, it's because they have decided to. The women should be able to decide, not the companies they work for. These are companies, not non-profits, so they are people. By this reasoning, another person should not be allowed to deny someone rights.

Again, this has nothing to do with the beliefs of the employee. Who cares about that? This is about the beliefs of the corporation which are paramount when we're talking about a completely avoidable problem that has nothing to do with that corporation.

The women always do decide, it's just that their decision affects the company they work for. Catholic Charities aren't saying that the employee should be forced to accept Catholicism. Catholic Charities is saying they shouldn't be forced to change their religious belief.

The bigger picture is this mandates that employers support those decisions and pay for it 100% which is silly. They should be covering my Tylenol need. Fortunately the pill is cheap but I was thinking this covered other methods as well.

 

[thefro]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/03/opinion/soko-catholic-contraception/index.html?hpt=op_t1

This is a pretty good opinion piece on why the Catholic Church is theologically wrong, and how they're calling drugs that stop an embryo from implanting into a womb "abortion".

 

[Kosmo]

I think you mean ObamaCuts now.

Nope, despite a Democratic Congress extending them and Obama signing the extension, they still call them the Bush Tax Cuts, LOL

It's like someone complaining they have to pay their taxes after being caught tax dodging.

Except it's nothing like that.

 

[xavi42]

Not to mention that better access to contraception leads to lowering unwanted pregnancies and the amount of abortions performed.

No, the Catholic way is a better way to lower unwanted pregnancies and abortions. Of course, not everyone is Catholic and we are all free to choose our lifestyle.

 

[Divvy]

No, the Catholic way is a better way to lower unwanted pregnancies and abortions.

Hahaha gold.

 

[Previous]

Again, they are not going out and ripping birth control pills out of students hands and stomping them in the ground - they are just not paying for them. With the plethora of cheap birth control options out there from pills to condoms, it's a moot point. That a woman would choose to put herself at risk of getting pregnant because her insurance doesn't cover $25-30 of pills a month, rather than paying for them herself, is silly.

And don't misconstrue - I am pro-birth control, I just don't think the government should be mandating employers cover them.

Just as a interesting note about my school, having birth control pills isn't against the rules (since their are other medical uses for them) but condoms are technically banned on campus though I have never heard of anyone getting in trouble over that rule. But I've heard of some people getting into disciplinary trouble over being caught having sex in their own rooms, which I sure at any other "normal" school wouldn't go any further then a simple noise complaint.

 

[richiek]

No, the Catholic way is a better way to lower unwanted pregnancies and abortions. Of course, not everyone is Catholic and we are all free to choose our lifestyle.

Let me guess... you also believe AIDS can't be transmitted through heterosexual intercourse, right?

 

[happyfunball]

No, the Catholic way is a better way to lower unwanted pregnancies and abortions. Of course, not everyone is Catholic and we are all free to choose our lifestyle.

 

[Emitan]

No, the Catholic way is a better way to lower unwanted pregnancies and abortions. Of course, not everyone is Catholic and we are all free to choose our lifestyle.

Making it easier to get pregnant lowers unwanted pregnancies? Please explain.

 

[Kusagari]

No, the Catholic way is a better way to lower unwanted pregnancies and abortions. Of course, not everyone is Catholic and we are all free to choose our lifestyle.

Too bad actual Catholics don't even seem to agree.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

No, the Catholic way is a better way to lower unwanted pregnancies and abortions. Of course, not everyone is Catholic and we are all free to choose our lifestyle.

The rhythm method? If so you are absolutely wrong. Unless you think every pregnancy is wanted.

 

[xavi42]

Let me guess... you also believe AIDS can't be transmitted through heterosexual intercourse, right?

Of course it can, why would you think that I wouldn't? If a couple is Catholic and they only have sex with each other, then the likely hood of contracting AIDS is very small.

Now, if they are Catholics in name only, then yea there is a good chance someone could contract the AIDS virus.

 

[xavi42]

The rhythm method? If so you are absolutely wrong. Unless you think every pregnancy is wanted.

Catholic Theology says that every time a Catholic couple have sex, they have to be open to new life. It's a hard teaching, and yes not everyone agrees. But that is what they teach.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

Catholic Theology says that every time a Catholic couple have sex, they have to be open to new life. It's a hard teaching, and yes not everyone agrees. But that is what they teach.

You could have just said you were wrong.

 

[xavi42]

You could have just said you were wrong.

wrong about what?

 

[Previous]

Of course it can, why would you think that I wouldn't? If a couple is Catholic and they only have sex with each other, then the likely hood of contracting AIDS is very small.

Now, if they are Catholics in name only, then yea there is a good chance someone could contract the AIDS virus.

Wait.. are you saying that if a couple are not practicing Catholics then they have a higher chance of getting HIV?

 

[Unhandled Exception]

This new wave of juniors has fucking delivered ten fold.

Edit: Oh, he's not a new junior. That may explain even more.

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

Sorry, what was that? I was too busy calculating how much I saved with the Bush Tax Cuts.

It's a relief that you aren't overly concerned that you asked a dumb question.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

wrong about what?

That the catholic way is the best way to prevent unwanted pregnancy.

It's extremely naive and childish.

"Best way to prevent unwanted pregnancy? Just want a baby of course!"

 

[Alucrid]

wrong about what?

Only true catholics are monogamous. Everyone else are swingers with multiple fuck buddies.

 

[xavi42]

Wait.. are you saying that if a couple are not practicing Catholics then they have a higher chance of getting HIV?

If someone is Catholic in name only, and goes out and has affairs with other partners, then yes there is a higher chance of contracting an STD or AIDS.

 

[GhaleonQ]

Shore up their reasoning? How? The conflict is "religiously-connected group required to do something that goes against religious teaching." How deep do we really need to go into the reasons HHS made its decision, and how deep into Catholic doctrine do we really need to go to understand their opposition? Not very in either case, because nobody is denying that Catholic doctrine does in fact teach that contraception is wrong, just as nobody, or at least few, deny the health benefits of contraception.

The Catholic Church doesn't want to do a lot of things. Why is this instance important? Because *theology dump,* not because CATHOLICS NEED TO SHUT UP WHY DON'T YOU JUST CRUSADES

This goes for anything. Planned Parenthood has opinions about a lot of stuff. Why did people care about the Komen thing? Context matters so every story isn't just people yelling at each other. That's why places like NeoGAF Off-Topic exist. The New York Times should be reporting the narratives.

Only true catholics are monogamous. Everyone else are swingers with multiple fuck buddies.

So, anyway, you don't have any deep thoughts about my question? Your opinion is literally, "The government should compel them because they are stupid from my point-of-view," huh? I think your opinion of secularism versus pluralism is pretty clear, but the rest isn't.

 

[Zoe]

Wait.. are you saying that if a couple are not practicing Catholics then they have a higher chance of getting HIV?

Well technically the more partners you have the greater the risk you have of coming in contact with something.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

If someone is Catholic in name only, and goes out and has affairs with other partners, then yes there is a higher chance of contracting an STD or AIDS.

No true scottsman ehy? Been a while since that one has graced Gaf.

 

[Unhandled Exception]

If someone is Catholic in name only, and goes out and has affairs with other partners, then yes there is a higher chance of contracting an STD or AIDS.

 

[siddx]

Anything that upsets Catholic groups is a good thing.

 

[xavi42]

This new wave of juniors has fucking delivered ten fold.

Edit: Oh, he's not a new junior. That may explain even more.

Do you have something to contribute? Just because you don't agree with someone, it doesn't mean you can't have a civil discussion.

 

[Emitan]

how much immunity to unwanted pregnancies does being baptized at birth give me?

thats at least a 50% chance i will magically want the baby, right?

 

[Kusagari]

If someone is Catholic in name only, and goes out and has affairs with other partners, then yes there is a higher chance of contracting an STD or AIDS.

Catholics can have more than one relationship in their lives you know.

 

[Unhandled Exception]

Do you have something to contribute? Just because you don't agree with someone, it doesn't mean you can't have a civil discussion.

Yeah sure. Here's my contribution.

Your belief system is archaic and dangerous. Catholicism is directly responsible for the terrible living conditions in Africa, and your very way of thinking is why.

 

[xavi42]

Anything that upsets Catholic groups is a good thing.

Yes I know, there is a lot of Anti-Catholic bigotry.

 

[Alucrid]

The Catholic Church doesn't want to do a lot of things. Why is this instance important? Because *theology dump,* not because CATHOLICS NEED TO SHUT UP WHY DON'T YOU JUST CRUSADES

This goes for anything. Planned Parenthood has opinions about a lot of stuff. Why did people care about the Komen thing? Context matters so every story isn't just people yelling at each other. That's why places like NeoGAF Off-Topic exist. The New York Times should be reporting the narratives.



So, anyway, you don't have any deep thoughts about my question? Your opinion is literally, "The government should compel them because they are stupid from my point-of-view," huh? I think your opinion of secularism versus pluralism is pretty clear, but the rest isn't.

I'm posting on a phone so anything more than snarky comments is far too tedious to write out. I planned to and am more than happy to elaborate on my position later onight when it have an actual computer in front of me.

 

[xavi42]

Yeah sure. Here's my contribution.

Your belief system is archaic and dangerous. Catholicism is directly responsible for the terrible living conditions in Africa, and your very way of thinking is why.

Well, there are still about 1 billion Catholics left on this Earth. I will be sure to pass along your message. Thanks!

 

[GhaleonQ]

I'm posting on a phone so anything more than snarky comments is far too tedious to write out.

Ah, it's cool. Sorry!

 

[genjiZERO]

Lols, the Church continues to be a joke....

 

[Unhandled Exception]

Well, there are still about 1 billion Catholics left on this Earth. I will be sure to pass along your message. Thanks!

Please do. And tell them to get the fuck out of Africa, they have no business 'educating' 3rd world cultures when they refuse to accept facts that save lives.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

Obama isn't pushing them away, because the vast majority of Catholics don't give a shit about this. The 'leaders' of the Church are far more conservative than its actual adherents are in the US and this has been proven time and time again.

This.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

This thread? It delivers.

Didn't we have this same fight 5 or 6 years ago? In DC?

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

Well, there are still about 1 billion Catholics left on this Earth. I will be sure to pass along your message. Thanks!

I was thinking about your unwanted pregnancy logic and it fits eerily well with the christian line of thinking to teaching gays how to be straight.

"How to prevent unwanted pregnancy: want the pregnancy.

How to not be a sinful homosexual: don't participate in homosexual acts, date/marry people of the opposite sex"


It's so offensive and narrow minded.

 

[Unhandled Exception]

I was thinking about your unwanted pregnancy logic and it fits eerily well with the christian line of thinking to teaching gays how to be straight.

"How to prevent unwanted pregnancy: want the pregnancy.

How to not be a sinful homosexual: don't participate in homosexual acts, date/marry people of the opposite sex"


It's so offensive and narrow minded.

How to contribute nothing but death and sorrow to the world: be a Catholic missionary.

 

[GhaleonQ]

Please do. And tell them to get the fuck out of Africa, they have no business 'educating' 3rd world cultures when they refuse to accept facts that save lives.

Oh, man, Uhuru Kenyatta went to a Catholic day school before Amherst. Surely, his subsequent actions are directly caused by Catholic theological teaching, as are all of Africa's problems! Close those schools, Catholics!

 

[xavi42]

"How to prevent unwanted pregnancy: want the pregnancy.

I'm not sure how you landed on this conclusion. It really doesn't matter. We live in a free society, so you don't really need to worry about it. No one will ever force you to become a Catholic. I promise.

 

[Like the hat?]

There should be no exceptions, period.

 

[Unhandled Exception]

Oh, man, Uhuru Kenyatta went to a Catholic day school before Amherst. Surely, his subsequent actions are directly caused by Catholic theological teaching, as are all of Africa's problems! Close those schools, Catholics!

Conveniently overlooking hundreds of thousands of deaths directly related to Catholic 'intervention' to make a point about one life is pretty callous.

 

[Wolfe]

No one will ever force you to become a Catholic. I promise.

Thank god.

Conveniently overlooking hundreds of thousands of deaths directly related to Catholic 'intervention' to make a point about one life is pretty callous.

Reminds me of PETA in a way actually, "Omg we save so many animals from shelters every year, we love animals!" to "PETA euthanizes thousands of animals yearly".

 

[Something Wicked]

"Fuck the Catholic Church", huh?... That's one sure way to win over the Latino vote...

If that's going to be the reaction of the left leaning media, it's just going to give Romney some solid ammunition for the real race.

 

[Salmonax]

Yes I know, there is a lot of Anti-Catholic bigotry.

If the Catholic church would stay the fuck out of public policy discussions, stop going around to third world countries telling them not to use contraceptives even in face of a catastrophic AIDS epidemic, and spreading other such nonsense, we wouldn't have to hate them quite as much.

If that's going to be the reaction of the left leaning media, it's just going to give Romney some solid ammunition for the real race.

Yeah, because Catholics have nothing but love for Mormons.

 

[Hylian7]

If someone is Catholic in name only, and goes out and has affairs with other partners, then yes there is a higher chance of contracting an STD or AIDS.

So now you are implying that non-Catholics and "Catholics in name only" are going to cheat on their spouses now?

Spoiler

What is being single or having relationships that don't work out and moving on?

 

[richiek]

"Fuck the Catholic Church", huh?... That's one sure way to win over the Latino vote...

If that's going to be the reaction of the left leaning media, it's just going to give Romney some solid ammunition for the real race.

Because Latinos sure love the GOP's immigration policy.

I'd say Obama has to worry more about winning white Catholics over than Latinos.

 

[Hylian7]

I'm not sure how you landed on this conclusion. It really doesn't matter. We live in a free society, so you don't really need to worry about it. No one will ever force you to become a Catholic. I promise.

Lets say that Catholic Charities is your only option for health care, for whatever reason, and you are not Catholic. Do you see the problem here?