cireza
Member
This is wishful thinking. The franchise is perfectly healthy, sorry to disappoint you.
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New Sonic 30th Anniversary details leaked by credible Nintendo leaker Zippo
Miles708
Member
If anything, the fact that Sonic is STILL ALIVE despite decades of mismanagement, speaks loudly about the strength of this brand.
With just a tiny bit of competency, it would be bigger than Disney.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Yeah I don't remember not playing a Sonic game on PS. I didn't like them all, honestly.
Team Andromeda
Member
I don't mind if you bought them and don't like them. It just sounds like you never played much of Sonic Forces since the Boast gameplay was cut a fair bit in for the nice but not that amazing Avtar stages
Team Andromeda
Member
Yep and spot on. The clue is the title of the game. Its called SONIC for a reason LOL
Bo_Hazem
Banned
I actually have the green hill zone soundtrack on my car.
Also personal preference. At this age after like around 32 years of gaming, I would play kiddo game if it was like Ratchet and Clank or the new Biomutant and the likes. Something more dense and mature, the next step in my personal preference.
Unknown?
Member
So you'd love a Shadow the Hedgehog 2. XDI actually have the green hill zone soundtrack on my car.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
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Saber
Member
In terms of brand, Sonic is aways fine.
In terms of games? You have to be pretty stupid to think its all fine. Mania is the last good effort, and came from Taxman. The rest is either low effort or "go with the trend" types of game that never appeared in any chart.
cireza
Member
You actually have no clue of how well these games have been doing for SEGA.
BattleScar
Member
Forces sold well despite being a bad Generations reskin. The brand is strong.
They just need strong games.
I don't buy this whole "Sonic should stay 2D" shit either. Just because an outstanding 3D game hasn't yet been made, doesn't mean it's impossible. If you took the basic premise of Sonic Adventure and refined it, it would work just fine. It's just not really been done.
Generations was a good game despite being obviously limited by being a boost game
Also even worse is the historical revisionism that "Sonic was never good".
Sonic ≠ Mario and that's fine. The type of gameplay and fundamental movement paradigm is entire different. Mario is about efficient jumping, Sonic is about pace and flow.
They just need strong games.
I don't buy this whole "Sonic should stay 2D" shit either. Just because an outstanding 3D game hasn't yet been made, doesn't mean it's impossible. If you took the basic premise of Sonic Adventure and refined it, it would work just fine. It's just not really been done.
Generations was a good game despite being obviously limited by being a boost game
Also even worse is the historical revisionism that "Sonic was never good".
Sonic ≠ Mario and that's fine. The type of gameplay and fundamental movement paradigm is entire different. Mario is about efficient jumping, Sonic is about pace and flow.
Saber
Member
Enlighten me. Show me how well Forces have being doing. Or Team Sonic Racing. Or even Boom.
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Team Andromeda
Member
I have a Mario keyring to the house, but I won't claim to be Mario's big fan. I guess that's also why I'm no fan of Nintendo these days since I'm an adult and don't like 'kiddo' games.I actually have the green hill zone soundtrack on my car.
Maybe your next step should be not to post in Sonic threads since you've out grown the little Blue Hedgehog
OmegaSpirit32X
Member
except there's a difference between passing SM64 with one hand and passing Forces with one hand.
the former requires skill.
cireza
Member
Enlighten me. Show me how bad these games have been doing. You get the point ?
2018 : 800 millions Sonic games sold
Sega sales report reveals 800 million Sonic the Hedgehog games shifted to date
Great innings for Yakuza, Puyo Puyo and Persona Legendary developer publisher Sega has released their latest integrated sales report, giving...
www.destructoid.com
2020 : 1.14 billion Sonic games sold
Sonic the Hedgehog Lifetime Sales Hit One Billion Copies - PlayStation LifeStyle
Sonic the Hedgehog lifetime sales reach one billion copies of Sonic games sold since his debut in 1991 on the SEGA Genesis.
www.playstationlifestyle.net
Miles708
Member
Maybe the real disappointment is the friends we make along the way.
Team Andromeda
Member
LOL.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
I have a Mario keyring to the house, but I won't claim to be Mario's big fan. I guess that's also why I'm no fan of Nintendo these days since I'm an adult and don't like 'kiddo' games.
Maybe your next step should be not to post in Sonic threads since you've out grown the little Blue Hedgehog
Those "kiddo" games always give you some nice feelings. Yes I like gore, violence in games but those games always are great to have a break and enjoy their light-hearted "violence" from time to time.
Saber
Member
Enlighten me. Show me how bad these games have been doing. You get the point ?
2018 : 800 millions Sonic games sold
Sega sales report reveals 800 million Sonic the Hedgehog games shifted to date
Great innings for Yakuza, Puyo Puyo and Persona Legendary developer publisher Sega has released their latest integrated sales report, giving...
2020 : 1.14 billion Sonic games sold
Sonic the Hedgehog Lifetime Sales Hit One Billion Copies - PlayStation LifeStyle
Sonic the Hedgehog lifetime sales reach one billion copies of Sonic games sold since his debut in 1991 on the SEGA Genesis.
Stop being smartass to make the context fit your twisted thinking. This number is for the total sales of all Sonic games, which includes bad and good ones.
In no fucking way this proves Forces, Boom or Team Sonic Racing sold well. They're all being carried away by other Sonic games(including old ass ones), you could at least read the article you posted.
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Fake
Member
Movie? yes. Sonic the Movie was great.
Gaming? not so much. You need to get out of the bubble sometimes.
I know is hard to be a Sonic fan in a world where Sonic Team can make shit games like Forces, Boom and Lost World. I sorry for you, as a Sonic fan myself. You have my empathy.
cireza
Member
Stop raging like this, you have no clue what you are talking about.
Recent Sonic games are the ones that have been driving sales, and these are Sonic Mania, Team Sonic Racing and Sonic Forces. Maybe check the financial results from Sega Sammy and try to make some decent opinion about it, as there isn't any more direct source you can get. They release them every quarter.
A game like Team Sonic Racing managed to get back in the top 10 in UK more than a year after its release. Sonic games have always been long sellers.
Neff
Member
Sonic Team didn't make Boom. Also, Lost World is legit.
Saber
Member
Then read the things you posted. Even the article says its total of all Sonic games, not only the new ones. You're simply twisting information to fit your narrative. If you think this is a win situation you're losing your time, I'm not here to wasting my time reading total sales of all Sonic games.
cireza
Member
We get it that reading positive things about Sonic is a waste of time for you, and that shitting on the series is time well spent.
Saber
Member
I knew that talking to you was a waste of time since its not your first time twisting and fit your context behaviour.
Anyway, I feel likes its only a matter of time before they announce their next main game. I'm all for Generations and Colors, like some other leaks suggested(August I think).
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OmegaSpirit32X
Member
Dimps isn't that bad, their only bad game was Sonic 4 Episode 1, but the Advance trilogy and Rush were great, but people like to pretend it never existed becuase sonic 4 was just the bad one.No more classic Sonic plus another 2D modern Sonic by Dimps...
and even then we don't know if it's even going to be another studio. or if this leak is even true at all. wich i highly doubt.
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Team Andromeda
Member
You also seem to like posting in threads relating to a game you claim to no longer like and outgrown. Very grown up, I must say.Those "kiddo" games always give you some nice feelings. Yes I like gore, violence in games but those games always are great to have a break and enjoy their light-hearted "violence" from time to time.
cireza
Member
That's actually you. Claiming the games did not sell without a single source to backup your claim.
I am telling you that everything points at these games doing well :
Huge number of positive reviews on websites like Amazon, implying good sales numbers
Huge number of views for the games on YouTube
Team Sonic Racing top charts a year later in UK
SEGA saying that Forces performed strongly
Quarterly financial results that have charts and shows the Sonic games being part of the millions sales they do
All these elements are easily verifiable on the internet. The only single thing you say, that the games did not sell well, is impossible to verify anywhere.
You will come to accept that you don't like these games, but others do because they are the target audience, and that yes, they sold well.
Saber
Member
Can't say they're that good either. The closer they get to a gameplay with the classic ones was the first advance. The rest were more boost like games, with Adv2 and 3 being basically the starting idea of boost even though they weren't a boost mechanic.
Also, level design is questinoable.
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
I loved Astro's Playroom, I loved Sackboy: Big Adventure, I loved all LittleBigPlanet games, can't wait for the sequels. Sonic has been mediocre to me and out of touch since decades now, unlike Mario or even Crash under Activision.
And yes, the game must be good enough to interest me because the older you get the more "you've seen it all" you become.
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chigstoke
Member
Basically this post.
The brand name alone is still big. As big as Mario? Of course it isn't, not now but nevertheless, it's still big.
Sonic 06 no doubt put the shitters up them in attempting another Adventure formula game somewhat. I hate that because I'd kill for a refined Adventure 3 or remake of 1+2.
There is room for 2D and 3D Sonic games. Mania was excellent. Forces failed to innovate as it should've done over Generations which gave Mania a bigger spotlight, but SEGA were supposedly happy with the sales figures, and was succesful on PS+.
Sonic was shit hot and it still can be, but it needs a lot of working doing to the franchise.
In short, give me Adventure 3 and 1+2 remakes you cowards
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yewles1
Member
You mean "jaded..."
JSoup
Banned
I MEAN.
It's very hipster-ish to say, but if you've been consuming a particular kind of media long enough and at a high volume, you eventually start to see patterns. Enough patterns can lead to the feeling of 'seen it all'. And you're either fine with that or you're not. I can think of a few series that I know for a fact aren't going to reinvent the wheel, but I'll still buy because I enjoy it none the less.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Exactly! Thanks for adding more words to my vocabulary!
I still play a lot of games though, but playing games that are using outdated patterns doesn't excite me anymore, like Streets of Rage 4 (maybe beaten those games more than 100+ times back in the day).
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Astral Dog
Member
i love Mia i can see why Ethan married her
Fake
Member
Source?
And don't use the 'all Sonic games sales' argument because thats don't mean shit.
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Team Andromeda
Member
Not mediocre enough for you to post in Sonic threads. Keep on trolling...
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Sonic isn't your property nor the thread. If you're pissed because someone rattled your cage please don't vent on me.
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OmegaSpirit32X
Member
for Sonic games, i would recommend Sonic Adventure 1 & 2 if you want to see something like that in a sonic game
true, but even then they are still a good time, and i still preffer the level design in those games over the level design in say... CD. i also think stuff like the tricks or the pseudo-boost were pretty good ideas and id love seeing them back.
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JSoup
Banned
Sega has been pretty mum on the specific number, only stating that if you combine the sales of all three big titles from them that year, sales were around 14.3 million copies.
I know VGCharts isn't the most reliable of sources, but they've got some estimates from release week:
Sonic Forces Sells an Estimated 234,000 Units First Week at Retail
The platform game from publisher Sega and developer Sonic Team - Sonic Forces - sold 234,032 units first week at retail, [...]
www.vgchartz.com
SumJester
Member
This take reminds me of the guys that says the whole series sucks because he forgot to curl in Sonic 1 and was hit by one enemy.
LRKD
Member
What take? I just posted a video of a level in the game, and said the game sucks. I never said why, why do you think I hate sonic colors?
Fake
Member
Sega has been pretty mum on the specific number, only stating that if you combine the sales of all three big titles from them that year, sales were around 14.3 million copies.
I know VGCharts isn't the most reliable of sources, but they've got some estimates from release week:
Sonic Forces Sells an Estimated 234,000 Units First Week at Retail
The platform game from publisher Sega and developer Sonic Team - Sonic Forces - sold 234,032 units first week at retail, [...]
Dude, are you serious telling me that 234,00 is a 'pretty good number' for a Sonic Franchise? For real?
Sonic Forces got a pretty loud install base to cover (PC/XBX/PS4/Switch), for a multiplataform game including the fact Sonic is a worldwide famous character, this is pretty low for his standarts.
And yes, VGCharts are not reliable source. Again, SEGA started to follow the same route as Microsoft to not give sales figures, unless the game is utter acclaimed.
MasterDerico
Member
Why no boost ? Sonic Unleashed day stages and generations 3d stages are awesome!
JSoup
Banned
Nope, that was the other guy. I just happed to already be looking it up.
Fake
Member
Ok, no problem.