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New Yorker: Harvey Weinstein's Accusers Tell Their Stories
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Ignatz Mouse
Banned
I heard that, and it's dead-on.
The "he's sick" is the last line of defense. A sex addict can get sex without raping people (especially if they are incredibly wealthy). This is something else entirely.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Pffft like hell. I don't believe this for a second.Courtesy of Amber Tamblyn, Tarantino, who has worked with Weinstein on every single one of his feature films since 1992, has released a statement:
True, but Tarantino worked closely with Weinstein for years and years. It's credulity-stretching to think he had no idea and is "shocked" by these allegations.
hodayathink
Member
Yeah, the only reason I believe the idea that they might be lying about not knowing (specifically referring to Rodriguez and Tarantino) is the fact that they dated women who have come out as victims (Sorvino and McGowan), which makes it more likely that they were told directly. For all the stories we're hearing now, there would have also been some women (I'd imagine the amount would pale in comparison to those who didn't, though) who were willing to go along with his perversions for the sake of their careers, and those women formed the basis of "what Hollywood knew", because they didn't ever bother to ask about the what he might have done to/with the other women that have been around him.
In other words, Hollywood as a whole knew he liked young actresses, but stuck their heads in the sand when it came to how he was propositioning them, and the only people that specifically knew about the assaunt/harassment/rape are the people he violated and the people they confided in. Hollywood is (and has been for decades, to be honest) claiming plausible deniability.
Edit: Except the agents. The agents would have known because they would have had multiple independent actress reports of what happened, but they continued to send women to him anyway, because the money was more important than the safety of their low-end talent.
Tarantino's comment of "needing a few more days to process... memory" seems to be laying the groundwork for him to pull something like the following:
I didn't put the pieces together at the time, but now in hindsight I realize I should have recognized the warning signs.
I don't believe him, but I suspect that is what he will do.
I didn't put the pieces together at the time, but now in hindsight I realize I should have recognized the warning signs.
I don't believe him, but I suspect that is what he will do.
keltickennedy
Member
Maybe Tarantino is waiting to get those non-disclosure forms back from some folks before he makes a statement.
Ryo Hazuki
Member
Is it safe to assume that if anyone says the women are complicit in the sexual assaults / rapes done by Harvey they are a straight up piece of shit? I've seen so many say the women are complicit for staying silent all these years and in some cases accepting settlements "allowing others to get assaulted". It's fucking disgusting to me that anyone could say and think this.
I saw some say Rose McGowan has blood on her hands for taking a settlement and not speaking sooner. How fucked up do you have to be to think that?
Please tell me this is fucked and I'm not crazy.
I saw some say Rose McGowan has blood on her hands for taking a settlement and not speaking sooner. How fucked up do you have to be to think that?
Please tell me this is fucked and I'm not crazy.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
This is indeed fucked, and you are not crazy at all.
Fudgepuppy
Banned
Did anyone watch that documentary about Harvey?
I stayed away from it, since I have ever since learning about the dude from Kevin Smith's Q&A, felt that the dude is a creepy monster, and should not be glorified.
Seems I wasn't wrong.
I stayed away from it, since I have ever since learning about the dude from Kevin Smith's Q&A, felt that the dude is a creepy monster, and should not be glorified.
Seems I wasn't wrong.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Why did QTs statement come through Amber Tamblyn?
I don't think he's on any social media platform publicly.
I mean, I will keep repeating my point that Obama sent his teenage daughter to intern for him, and I am pretty sure that Obama would not do that if he knew (and I'm pretty sure he'd make sure he was sending his daughter into a safe environment). Considering Obama might be the most powerful man on the planet at the time, I'd say there's probably a lot of people who had heard Weinstein was skeevy and creepy but not a serial predator.
BBC News article with former PA
This was in 1988. So his predatory behaviour has been well known for decades, and yet all these Hollywood folk seem so shocked. Any statement from a non victim is just an exercise in PR and damage limitation.
This was in 1988. So his predatory behaviour has been well known for decades, and yet all these Hollywood folk seem so shocked. Any statement from a non victim is just an exercise in PR and damage limitation.
Maximilian E.
AKA MS-Evangelist
Slightly OT but he Oscars will be interesting to watch. Do we know who the host will be? It has the potential to be quite oh oh tense..
The Illiterati
Member
They are friends. She and her father were both in Django Unchained. Amber recently spoke out against James Woods. I find it interesting that so many are quick to shrug off anything she has to say regarding Tarantino.
hodayathink
Member
Just looked it up, and Kimmel is next year's host.
I think it'll be like Oscars So White a couple years ago, where they're going to have to talk about it because it's just too big not to.
Edit: Not to mention that you'll have a decent chance of no women being in the writing or directing categories anyway, which would give you a decent starting point to talk about women and power in Hollywood in general.
Brotherhood93
Member
Sue Perkins and Armando Iannucci pretty muched summed the situation up on The Last Leg tonight.
Sounds like Iannucci wasn't a fan anyway: "Well...who thought that notorious Hollywood shit Harvey Weinstein had a dark side?"
EDIT: Also, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Tarantino knew about it. He's a very odd individual himself.
Sounds like Iannucci wasn't a fan anyway: "Well...who thought that notorious Hollywood shit Harvey Weinstein had a dark side?"
EDIT: Also, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Tarantino knew about it. He's a very odd individual himself.
Ninja Scooter
Member
I can totally see some token moves like putting Best Actress after Best Actor or some shit like that, but for the most part I think they will try and ostracize Weinstein and make him seem like an outlier.
Courtesy of Amber Tamblyn, Tarantino, who has worked with Weinstein on every single one of his feature films since 1992, has released a statement:
Late seeing this. But my gut reaction is, it's days later, why need a few more days? And he knew the guy for years and years, publicly and privately. It can't be that stunning to him.
Mr. Pointy
Member
I'm pretty sure there was a character in Barton Fink, from 1991, modelled directly after Harvey Weinstein. I can't remember who because I haven't seen the film in years.
broncobuster
Banned
Watch Top Movie Producers Debate Harassment in Hollywood: "There's a Culture of Paying People Off"
(but mainly Judd Apatow, Seth Rogen, and Amy Pascal)
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/ne...amy-pascal-on-harassment-in-hollywood-1048113
This was filmed a few days earlier. Some of what they said is out of date.
(but mainly Judd Apatow, Seth Rogen, and Amy Pascal)
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/ne...amy-pascal-on-harassment-in-hollywood-1048113
This was filmed a few days earlier. Some of what they said is out of date.
Barren Mind
Member
It's disturbing seeing how rampant this is in the industry. And I don't get it. Why harass these women? Is it simply about the power? But then you already have the power. There shouldn't be a need to harrass and coerce people. Doesn't make any sense.
hodayathink
Member
It's about the trophies. One of the things you notice in multiple accounts is that when talking to one woman, he'll start rattling off the other women he's slept with whose careers he advanced. He considered them conquests as opposed to actual people, which is part of the reason he was willing to go as far as he was.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Yes.
It's really hard for a person who has never held that kind of power and influence to grasp how potentially corrupting of an influence it can be on a person, especially if that person is an asshole to begin with.
You kinda have to be there to really know what it's like.
Edit: Here's a quick thought experiment. Think of all the hot celebrity threads on gaf where someone says "would bang" or something to that extent. It's easy to say because no one is realistically going to have any chance of that. Now, imagine that you are one of the dozens of people on Earth who could actually coerce those hot celebrities to bang them. Your worldview could change pretty quickly.
Courtesy of Amber Tamblyn, Tarantino, who has worked with Weinstein on every single one of his feature films since 1992, has released a statement:
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Harvey Weinstein has been expelled from the Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences. I'm not sure that's anything more than symbolic, but this signals a welcome change.
hodayathink
Member
To be fair, there's not really much else they can do at the moment. In theory, they could enact some sort of "morals clause" and tie it to being eligible to be nominated for Academy Awards, but then you start getting into the whole "separating the art from the artist" thing.
Considering how manipulative he is, my first guess is that this is an effort to build sympathy.
None will come from me.
brianmcdoogle
Member
He is now officially expelled from the Academy.
How many have been expelled before him?
They could and it's also very hypocritical of them considering Polanski. It matters now because....
Isn't separating art from the artist just an excuse. Who came up with that.
I dunno. Even a piece of shit would be hit pretty hard if he went from top of the world to being a leper in less than a week.
Harvey Weinstein has been expelled from the Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences. I'm not sure that's anything more than symbolic, but this signals a welcome change.
While I am glad to see him crash and burn they seem to be using him as a human shield to deflect concerns about all the other serial abusers. I wish all of hollywood's evil would just flushed out, the culture it's built is sick. *edit And yet Roman and Cosby are still on.
I always loved her, now I worship this extraordinary woman
hodayathink
Member
I'm not saying it's a good excuse, but that it's a can of worms I don't ever see the Academy wanting to get into (deciding what does and doesn't violate said morals clause, determining who gets to decide on what is considered a violation [and the Academy wouldn't have any investigative powers, so they'd be relying on organizations like the police to do the investigating to make said decision], determining whether to apply it retroactively to past crimes [Does Polanski get to stay in the Academy? Does Casey Affleck? Does Mark Wahlberg?], and just the general idea of the things you do outside of movie making having a determination on whether you're allowed to be a part of the organization or not). It would be nice, but I don't see it happening in my lifetime even ignoring the fact that there's too many shady people in and around Hollywood to let it happen.
You can flush out whomever you want, other bad people will just take their place. Things can't get better on a permanent basis until you address the fundamental imbalance of power that allows all of this to happen.
Courtesy of Amber Tamblyn, Tarantino, who has worked with Weinstein on every single one of his feature films since 1992, has released a statement:
As much as anyone might hope Tarantino doesn't turn out to be a complicit piece of shit, it's pretty difficult to buy that he, being so close to Harvey, didn't know.
The only reason I personally am able to entertain the thought that he might have an ounce of sincerity is that his statement was delivered by Amber Tamblyn who is still willing to describe him as a friend. Otherwise I'd have no doubts whatsoever.
Dash_Riprock
Member
It's a start I guess. They should also take away any best picture Oscars that he himself won, but they didnt do it for Polanski so I doubt it.
That was a long read, but a necessary one.
This man is absolutely disgusting. You have to be extremely messed up in the head to force someone to give you a blowjob, and then immediately afterwards you act like nothing happened. This guy needs more then a trip to a Whickenburg rehab, he needs to be thrown in prison in order to protect society.
This man is absolutely disgusting. You have to be extremely messed up in the head to force someone to give you a blowjob, and then immediately afterwards you act like nothing happened. This guy needs more then a trip to a Whickenburg rehab, he needs to be thrown in prison in order to protect society.
hodayathink
Member
The only time he won Best Picture for Shakespeare in Love it wasn't by just him, but a group of 5 people. He's actually never been nominated just by himself (as a studio head, he would usually be a producer, but not the sole producer). So do you just take his name off the list of winners, even though everything else would clearly say he's a producer of a movie that won Best Picture? Do you try to retroactively say it didn't win Best Picture and strip it from everyone?
That background and lettering
But yeah no way Tarantino didn't know.
A minor update, once again via Amber Tamblyn:
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
I don't know what she's saying or talking about since the tweet she's responding to has been deleted...
Since both Tweets indicate Tarantino's going to be accepting some amount accountability, I don't think the deleted Tweet matters much.
Isaac Otherworld
Member
Edit: Never mind.
Terrible. I really didn't want QT to end up being a monster.
Terrible. I really didn't want QT to end up being a monster.
hodayathink
Member
There's a legit chance that this is more about what he saw and didn't act on or consider weird than anything he actually did. I would think if she had info on some serious shit he actually did personally she would disown him instead of basically acting as his mouthpiece. Like, the "Come to Jesus" moment being about actresses he hired that he or someone else in the production may have had meet with Weinstein first (remember, every one of QT's movies has been either through Mirimax or TWC).
Remember Clooney's response of "we knew he liked young actresses, but we didn't know he was doing all this", and how that response felt like he kinda absolved himself of any major responsibility in this even though he's made movies for Harvey? Basically, her getting QT to admit he was complicit in all this, whether he knew all the details or not.
<3 her.
Courtney Love told actresses to stay away from Weinstein back in 2005:
http://www.tmz.com/2017/10/14/courtney-love-harvey-weinstein-2005-warns-actresses-sexual-harassment/