Next Gen Consoles Expected for 2027 by Supermassive Games / Nordisk

Somehow this generation we had more much Xbox exclusives and Microsoft fumbled by releasing them on rival platforms.

Microsoft executives are a different breed

There's no way they could afford making there games exclusive. Shareholders don't care about exclusive games and they want to make a profit. Microsoft screwed themselves by expanding too fast too soon and now they have to go third party to compensate for it.
 
Next gen might be the first ever time since the Master System, that I don't buy day one.

I've only just bought a PS5 Pro and this generation feels like it's barely got started. A small bump in visuals won't be enough to upgrade so soon.
 
The 120hz market is much more mature today than the HD market was back in 2005-2006, when Xbox and PS were banking on ushering in the "HD-era". Considering we are talking about consoles that are maybe 2 years out, I think it is very probable that this is the route they go. Frame-gen is going to be one of their marquee value adds.

Apples and oranges.

HDTVs were set to take over SDTVs in 2007.

120hz TVs are not set to overtake 60hz TVs anytime soon.
 
If PC Gamers are going to buy so many 5090s at $2-3K such that the inventory is hard to find then console makers might as well get in on that gravy train and sell exponentially more than that at $799 a pop. All of the games will run on PS5 until 2030 anyway to make sure they don't lose any software sales.
$800 PS6 will only get you low-end performance. No company will give out their chips at bargain bin prices in the current climate when they can get crazy margins elsewhere, the good old days are over.
 
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Devs can do so much more with this gen what a waste.
They could, but they won't because people buy it anyways. Looks at the state of PC Gaming at the moment. Broken mess after broken mess. Thankfully I have a 4090 so I can brute force basically anything, but that is 1% of the market. Monster Hunter Wilds broke records for the franchise and is a disaster on PC and looks like trash on my PS5 Pro on Performance Mode.

No one pays for QC anymore nor do they bother with optimization. If the game runs, they release it. I feel like the only games that maximize the power and I can't count on being basically ready for launch are PlayStation first party.
 
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Apples and oranges.

HDTVs were set to take over SDTVs in 2007.

120hz TVs are not set to overtake 60hz TVs anytime soon.
I don't agree at all. Especially when TV manufacturers are continuously bringing higher end features down into entry level sets in an effort to drive sales. 120hz and VRR are already starting to trickle down into lower costs TV's. This drive to pick up such a display will be exasperated when they're new game console is pushing this feature through frame gen.

Edit: I also don't agree with the assertion that the current market isn't large enough to push such feature. Considering the fact that the current consoles already lean into their 120hz capabilities, it just makes sense they will go even harder when the next Gen will obviously have frame gen capabilities.
 
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I guess if there's some gimmick to capitalize on. I don't see Microsoft putting out another generation of consoles if all it's going to be is another power upgrade.
 
With the fast decline in hardware sales i think is possible… Maybe GTA6 can reverse that, but will see.
 
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I am ready for the next gen, I would be ok, If sony lowered the graphic bar for some games in order to have them ready within 3-4 years. Now games take so much time to make.
 
It still puzzles me that people don't want updated hardware.

By 2027, the hardware within the PS5 as well as the core hardware within the PS5 Pro will be 7 years old.

It doesn't matter if the PS5 only had 3 exclusives or if games take 6 years to develop or if 95% of the games released on PS5 are cross-gen. The hardware will be out right out dated by then.

We need new, more efficient, more powerful, up to date hardware every 6 or so years, not every 12 years.
 
Fuck I hope no. 2030 would be my preference. Get a generation of true PS5 Pro games out, and still do a proper generational leap.

2027-2028 is just going to be a Pro Pro and we will have cross gen forever.
 
LOL, there's barely a significant jump from the PS4 to the PS5 even now. The PS5 is far from being used to its full potential. Releasing a new platform in the current situation would be insane. The gaming market is becoming more and more like the tech and IT market, where prices are skyrocketing and premature technology is being released without any real practical need.
 
I don't agree at all. Especially when TV manufacturers are continuously bringing higher end features down into entry level sets in an effort to drive sales. 120hz and VRR are already starting to trickle down into lower costs TV's. This drive to pick up such a display will be exasperated when they're new game console is pushing this feature through frame gen.

Edit: I also don't agree with the assertion that the current market isn't large enough to push such feature. Considering the fact that the current consoles already lean into their 120hz capabilities, it just makes sense they will go even harder when the next Gen will obviously have frame gen capabilities.

There are enough people with 4KTVs that don't support 120hz that won't be upgrading their tv just for that, that this is a silly comparison.

the natural adoption of TVs specifically with 120hz framerates is not something a company should bank their generational strategy on.

Check out the best selling TVs on amazon and let me know how long it takes you to find a tv on the list that is 120hz...

You basically won't find a 120hz tv under 800 dollars...
 
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There really is no reason. Most gages don't push the consoles we have and the gages they try fail and suck anyway.
 
There are enough people with 4KTVs that don't support 120hz that won't be upgrading their tv just for that, that this is a silly comparison.

the natural adoption of TVs specifically with 120hz framerates is not something a company should bank their generational strategy on.

Check out the best selling TVs on amazon and let me know how long it takes you to find a tv on the list that is 120hz...

You basically won't find a 120hz tv under 800 dollars...
To be fair, folks with cheap TVs are unlikely to be early adopters for PS6. And those who are early adopters are likely to have nicer TVs.

And by say year 3 when mass market starts catching up in 2030, there will be a lot more TVs with 120hz/VRR because modern cheap TVs (and even non cheap) are kind of crap and won't last.
 
There will be new consoles but I don't see there being new generations anymore.

I see Sony updating PS hardware periodically in the same way Apple refreshes their Mac or iPad lineup. Some updates will be more significant than others depending on how the technology has progressed. But it will be developers who decide the minimum console spec needed for their games in the same way mobile and PC devs do.
 
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There are enough people with 4KTVs that don't support 120hz that won't be upgrading their tv just for that, that this is a silly comparison.

the natural adoption of TVs specifically with 120hz framerates is not something a company should bank their generational strategy on.

Check out the best selling TVs on amazon and let me know how long it takes you to find a tv on the list that is 120hz...

You basically won't find a 120hz tv under 800 dollars...
Again, I disagree. Just as the 7th gen consoles were forward thinking with pushing HD support, 9th gen consoles were forward thinking with advertising 120hz support, obviously the 10th gen consoles (which will have frame gen support) is going to strongly lean into the tech in their advertising. I just can't even comprehend how one could argue against this sentiment.

Also, your amazon pricing is significantly off, as I just typed in 120hz televisions and was immediately presented with a range of 4k 120hz 43"-65" displays that range from $350-$600; you're not even close (US market). This is in 2025, the install base of 120hz displays will be sufficient by 2027 and beyond. I have to imagine you are just arguing for arguments sake at this point.
 
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One big reason why gameplay hasn't changed in decades is probably because controllers haven't changed in decades.

Atari > NES - Doubled the face buttons
NES > SNES - We went from 2 buttons to 6 buttons... this is a major increase in gameplay options
SNES > PS1 - With the dual analog we added a total of 2 controls and a whole new plane of control

Standard controllers have not added new buttons since 1997...

They could have made back buttons standard, but I think AAA gaming has gotten so comfortable with today's control schemes that you risk alienating too many potential customers by adding additional controls.

Gaming has stagnated because you have to cater to the lowest common denominator which is the casual gamer, but even core gamers might struggle with the complexity involved with having two additional primary functions. Right now back buttons are used to give competitive advantage or make games like Elden Ring/Dark Souls easier or at least more convenient. They're hotkeys.

The fact that we haven't changed much in so long makes changing even more difficult now.

What we need is experimental controllers like we got with Steel Battalion or innovative controllers like the guitar hero guitars that are fit for purpose for individual games.
 
Again, I disagree. Just as the 7th gen consoles were forward thinking with pushing HD support, 9th gen consoles were forward thinking with advertising 120hz support, obviously the 10th gen consoles (which will have frame gen support) is going to strongly lean into the tech in their advertising. I just can't even comprehend how one could argue against this sentiment. Also, your amazon pricing is significantly off, as I just typed in 120hz televisions and was immediately presented with a range of 4k 120hz 43"-65" displays that range from $350-$600; you're not even close (US market). This is in 2025, the install base of 120hz displays will be sufficient by 2027 and beyond. I have to imagine you are just arguing for arguments sake at this point.

Re-read what I said...
 
To be fair, folks with cheap TVs are unlikely to be early adopters for PS6. And those who are early adopters are likely to have nicer TVs.

And by say year 3 when mass market starts catching up in 2030, there will be a lot more TVs with 120hz/VRR because modern cheap TVs (and even non cheap) are kind of crap and won't last.

People keep their tvs for 7+ years and it continues to get longer.

Anyone buying a 60hz tv today will never be a customer who is going to buy a PS6 simply because of 120hz.

I'm not saying games won't be more likely to hit 120hz (or even higher) but it's not going to be the chief selling point on the PS6. I'd bet anything on that.
 
Re-read what I said...
I can't for the life of me see how that invalidates what I said. The best sellers are a bunch of cheap TV's. 120hz is finding it's way into cheaper televisions. In 2025 there are low cost 120hz displays and there will be even more low cost 120hz options in 2027. How does any of this tie into the your assertion that 4k 120hz gameplay is not going to be a marquee feature of the PS6 and next Xbox? HFR gameplay is quite literally the defining advertised feature of the highest end graphical tech, it's absurd to claim this won't also be the case for the next gen consoles.

Edit: honestly, there is no reason to debate this. You have your opinion, I have mine. I'll just bookmark this convo and hit you up with a big ole "TOLD YA" in a couple of years. Sorry for using strong language, having an opinion isn't absurd. None of us can tell the future.
 
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I can't for the life of me see how that invalidates what I said. The best sellers are a bunch of cheap TV's. 120hz is finding it's way into cheaper televisions. In 2025 there are low cost 120hz displays and there will be even more low cost 120hz options in 2027. How does any of this tie into the your assertion that 4k 120hz gameplay is not going to be a marquee feature of the PS6 and next Xbox? HFR gameplay is quite literally the defining advertised feature of the highest end graphical tech, it's absurd to claim this won't also be the case for the next gen consoles.

People buying these tvs today will not buy a PS6 simply because it is 120hz.

The TVs you think people are buying are not 120hz TVs and the market that is buying 120hz TVs is largely niche.

Sony will have metrics on how many people are hitting 120hz in their games and on their TVs and they're not going to design the PS6 around that as its chief marketing effort.

Again, tell me how far you have to go on the best sellers list to find a tv that is 120hz.
 
People buying these tvs today will not buy a PS6 simply because it is 120hz.

The TVs you think people are buying are not 120hz TVs and the market that is buying 120hz TVs is largely niche.

Sony will have metrics on how many people are hitting 120hz in their games and on their TVs and they're not going to design the PS6 around that as its chief marketing effort.

Again, tell me how far you have to go on the best sellers list to find a tv that is 120hz.
You are conflating if people will buy a PS6 for 120hz and if sony will advertise 120hz as a marquee feature, these are not mutually exclusive. I edited my last post to try and end the debate, so I will not go further.
 
People keep their tvs for 7+ years and it continues to get longer.

Anyone buying a 60hz tv today will never be a customer who is going to buy a PS6 simply because of 120hz.

I'm not saying games won't be more likely to hit 120hz (or even higher) but it's not going to be the chief selling point on the PS6. I'd bet anything on that.
What I am saying is while they "may" want to keep TVs longer, those TVs won't last since the quality sucks.

It's likely that folks who bought cheap TVs in the last few years will be buying new TVs anyways in the next 3-4 years simply due to equipment failure.
 
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How is this not just evidence of a current gen releasing in fall 27 and next gen versions whenever those systems release (27-28). If your making a game with a late 27 release window you're likely gonna plan for an upgraded next gen sku. All devs with the same release window is doing the same. Seems common sense.
 
I guess if there's some gimmick to capitalize on. I don't see Microsoft putting out another generation of consoles if all it's going to be is another power upgrade.
If the murmurs are true, Microsoft's next console will have a massive amount of AI-powered grunt and side-load stores like Steam and Epic, granting access to your existing libraries on Xbox's new hardware out of the box. The catch is that it's expected to have a very high price point - Microsoft will be making a profit on the hardware - meaning it'll be higher than traditional console pricing. The PS5 Pro gives us a clear indication Sony is also aiming for much higher pricing, but I'd expect the next Xbox's price tag to cause some sticker shock if it can actually do what they're hinting it can do.
 
Honestly, I just don't see it. You can look at a 5090 and see that it isn't going to deliver any new gameplay that a 3090 isn't.

When new consoles come, they'll need to be more than just increases in silicon or they're going to struggle with the price out of the gates.

This generation has lead to a lot of negativity because it didn't really bring anything new.

PS1/Saturn/N64 brought 3d gaming
PS2/Xbox brought online gaming
PS3/X360 brought digital libraries and HD gaming

We haven't really seen much chance since. What do we have 4K gaming? Okay...

Sony and Microsoft need to look for a better hook than just a meager improvement in graphics.

It could have been true VR gaming, but.....
 
PS1 > PS2 > PS3 were 6yr gaps.

PS3 > PS4 > PS5 were 7yr gaps.
PlayStation - December 3, 1994
PlayStation 2 - March 4, 2000
(PlayStation Portable - December 12, 2004)
PlayStation 3 - November 11, 2006
(PlayStation Vita - December 17, 2011)
PlayStation 4 - November 15, 2013 / February 22, 2014 (JP)
PlayStation 5 - November 12, 2020
The gap between PS1 and PS2 was just a bit over 5 years, while the gap between PS2 and PS3 was a lot closer to pure 7 years. PSP, PS3 and PS4 (in the West) had 7 year lifecycles, while PS4 in Japan lasted as much as the PS2 did there (6 years and 8 months, to be precise).
The longest lifecycle you will ever see for a PlayStation console (not counting the PS Vita as it had no true successor) is the PS3 in Japan, where it lasted 7 years and 3 months.
 
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No chance PS5 reaches 100M then? WTH... we don't even have many games that squeeze the HW potential and the Pro was released not long ago, this gen is a mess...

The PS5 was at 75 million at of January 1st 2025. It'll be at 95 million by the end of this year!
 
Sony will make a very big mistake to release Ps6 that early. There is so much momentum for ps5 right now There is still so many games and still so much potential to ps5 especially ps5 pro with its pssrml continues to learn faselt and integrating with fsr4 next yeatr This will alienate so many PS owners if they release this early especially those who recently got one. For me and logic, the right time is late 2028, Christmas of 2028. Or June 2029.
 
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Holiday 2027 could be Full UDNA 1 with UDNA 2 sprinkled in.

Sounds reasonable.
Will be a bigger jump then PS4 to PS5 because the ai Part of the Chip will be usable this time.

Also X3D chips and efficiency Are way different now. So in a 40-45 Watt Budget were gonna have pretty big CPU gains as well.

Seems Like the right time for a refresh to me.
 
Well good luck making a worthwhile upgrade and justifying the sale...the ps5 pro was a middling upgrade with barely above a 45%uplift in realtime compute and its being sold at near double the cost of the base console. They have the perfect opportunity to push this gen out until late 2028/2029 with the languished launch due to pandemic/supply chain issues and the release of the pro, Sony should ride this gen out until they can deliver a real significant hardware jump. I mean we have barely gotten any of the real next gen only first party releases from Sony so far, and they are dominating.

The only one this would make sense for is Microsoft since this is basically a lost gen in terms of gaining/holding market share for their hardware and they have the portfolio to flex their publisher muscles and try something different.
 
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Holiday 2027 could be Full UDNA 1 with UDNA 2 sprinkled in.

Sounds reasonable.
Will be a bigger jump then PS4 to PS5 because the ai Part of the Chip will be usable this time.

Also X3D chips and efficiency Are way different now. So in a 40-45 Watt Budget were gonna have pretty big CPU gains as well.

Seems Like the right time for a refresh to me.
Yeah, PS5 hardware became very dated quite quickly because Sony failed to see the future of game development. A cut down CPU with a GPU that focuses on pure raster performance is basically the opposite of how to make new games run well.
I think the PS6 will have comparable TFLOPS to the PS5 Pro, but a lot more RT and AI power and a beefy CPU to drive it all. That's how they will keep the price from going out of hand.
 
So why do we need a new generation?

How else can they start reselling you your "remastered" PS5 games? We're running low on the PS4 ones and since gaas keeps burning money in the furnace... They need new fuel cuz God forbid they actually try developing amazing new games that cater to the players.... you'd need like 30 to 50 passionate devs in a small studio with no political agendas that don't burn the budget on crap the game doesn't need and actually release the game in a timely and price adjusted manner....but such a thing can't be possible....
 
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