Neo Blaster
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How does that make it less copycat? And, oh, my God, a new mappable button, what an incredible new feature, a whole new experience.
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zubairali2
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Snowdonhoffen
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No problem. I do think they shouldn't have treated their animators like that, but claiming 70% of the studio left that's a big misunderstanding that I've seen some people still run with.
Razzy-
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Bo_Hazem
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Kraken by itself is a lossless compression, ZLIB as well, so yes that includes everything. But Oodle textures is a lossy compression, just like BCpack. That's why depending on the game, you can benefit between 10-50% compression over ZLIB.
So losslessly, Kraken is about 28.98% better compression according to that official graph (losslessly). With lossy texture compression, you amplify that 10-50% more but only for textures.
Handy Fake
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Great to have you back, Bo lad.Kraken by itself is a lossless compression, ZLIB as well, so yes that includes everything. But Oodle textures is a lossy compression, just like BCpack. That's why depending on the game, you can benefit between 10-50% compression over ZLIB.
So losslessly, Kraken is about 28.98% better compression according to that official graph (losslessly). With lossy texture compression, you amplify that 10-50% more but only for textures.
And I think the main reason Cerny went with Kraken was the decompress speed. That's hugely impressive.
kyliethicc
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As big Jimmy Sony said, they wanted a futuristic design. I like it too. They also clearly want it to stick out so people notice it, talk about it, etc.It has to be said, I'm quite surprised at how elegant it looks in real life.
I was fully prepared for it to look like a complete eyesore - and while it's still clearly a big bitch, it has quite a pleasing, interesting shape to it that I don't mind at all. I thought all the renders made it seem a lot more aesthetically pleasing than it really would be in reality, but it looks like they were all accurate. I think I'd better measure the shelves on my tv stand though. Could need some KY Jelly to slide her on in there...
kyliethicc
Member
As you Kanye yourself once said, "and if you can do it better than me, then you do it."
best of luck
FunkMiller
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Zadom
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All right! Red light is here.Well, isn't this post incredibly illuminating?
If anyone really thinks that Xbox fans are the problem here, read the above and shake your head in wonder. This is Sony Gaf in action.
Imagine fanboying over Bo Hazem.
D
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Lol, completely missed the 33mil
Neo Blaster
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Yes, just like 22GB/s is the max capability of PS5 decompression block. Oodle Textures make the I/O closer to that theoretical limit.
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Neo Blaster
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Neither Kraken nor Oodle Textures are exclusive, but Sony bought a license for every retail console/devkit, so devs don't have to pay RAD Tools to use them.
Edit: beaten.
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Bo_Hazem
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Well, isn't this post incredibly illuminating?
If anyone really thinks that Xbox fans are the problem here, read the above and shake your head in wonder. This is Sony Gaf in action.
Imagine fanboying over Bo Hazem.
Neo Blaster
Member
Yes, but Sony embedded it on its hardware using a fixed function chip, if MS tried to use it on Xbox they would waste CPU cycles.
Panajev2001a
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No, but PS5 implemented Kraken decompression in HW and when you pre-process textures with Oodle you can realistically hit almost 18 GB/s worth of equivalent uncompressed data (i.e. get a 3-4:1 compression ratio) vs the 6-7 GB/s (to be generous when Goossen said over 6 GB/s of peak texture decompression throughout). This is without any CPU/GPU hit.
If you accept some decompression cost at runtime you can use the BC7Prep step with Oodle and get closer to the peak HW decompressor block speed.
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Coulomb_Barrier
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There's FUD over the OS boot-up speed.
There's FUD over the disk space size.
There's even FUD over the console's size still.
This will all be buried tomorrow hopefully, but the twats doing it are persistent!
There's FUD over the disk space size.
There's even FUD over the console's size still.
This will all be buried tomorrow hopefully, but the twats doing it are persistent!
kyliethicc
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This shows that Sony future proofed the PS5 I/O when they designed it. They gave the hardware enough capability to handle better compression tech over time. Maybe the PS5 I/O speeds could even get faster over the years.
Snowdonhoffen
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There's a 35 minute video...
saintjules
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It has to be said, I'm quite surprised at how elegant it looks in real life.
I was fully prepared for it to look like a complete eyesore - and while it's still clearly a big bitch, it has quite a pleasing, interesting shape to it that I don't mind at all. I thought all the renders made it seem a lot more aesthetically pleasing than it really would be in reality, but it looks like they were all accurate. I think I'd better measure the shelves on my tv stand though. Could need some KY Jelly to slide her on in there...
First thing I'm gonna do is stroke the middle.
This sentence doesn't make any sense if you think the PS5 is going to sell more than the XSX then there's more hype for the PS5 it's pretty simple really I don't see what you're trying to twist here.
FunkMiller
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Tell us how long it takes to turn it on.
prinz_valium
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Garani
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I can still deep fry you and having a blast at dinner time!
This shit is BIG... like thw whole torso. It's a big ass console (but a real beauty!)
No, no, no, never borrow a mouth organ - not even from your best friend.
'Cos you may survive the blowing, but the sucking's gonna get you in the end. Oh yeah!
(Bonus points if you get the quote. No, googling it is like cheating
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Neo Blaster
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You're right, there would be a hardware difference because PS5 has fixed function hardware to decompress Kraken, while XSX would have to do it by software, hence wasting CPU/GPU processing time.
zaitsu
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Thats not fud. It happened this gen too
Thedtrain
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thelastword
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Just watched it, been a bit engaged elsewhere of late......This is clearly one of the most accurate videos on the this whole DF debate....It's what I've been saying for years, hope more people are understanding now. Even their latest Series X BC video, there are so many things they conveniently leave out because it would go against their topic "Series X Backwards Compatibility tested, the performance is immense". When they are mostly comparing games that were already running 4k on XBONEX last gen or games boosted by framerate that are running medium settings at 1080p with no enhanced resolutions......It's like running DMC on Series X from XBONEX and calling the performance gains immense......It's not immense, the more powerful hardware should do even better than that tbh....Even Dead or Alive is not a locked 60fps....and many others...Video's pretty good. Nothing like good socratic questioning. The more questions you ask the deeper you get. Too tired to do a summary for the normies, "neutrals" and "cringers"..... @Kingthrash may not know from which leg some posters limp, and their preferences but we do. Not too surprised to see @Orky have a try and get easily worked. @X-Fighter , which is a tad smarter going through the paces...thelastword will probably make a thread on it before I wake up and do the summary lmao.
Anyways great videos by Kingthrash......I was entertained throughout.......Cause facts with a little humor thrown in is the perfect combo in these times....Keep up the good work..
kyliethicc
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PS4 UI is already native 4K on Pro. Xbox One X UI is not 4K.
Got the source its gonna be updated? Couldn't find any links. Digital Foundry said it will not be 4K on XSX.
ArcaneNLSC
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We are Bos, and we are plenty.
Time for the HYPE!
誇大広告！
xacto
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It's BIG, but BC for XSX is IMMENSE, boi!!
ArcaneNLSC
Member
How some of the bromances are on here
kyliethicc
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I don't think it was deleted, all of Reddit seems to be down at the moment. I think it was a list of links for the Japanese Youtubers going hands on with PS5s.
Loxus
Member
I mean, why does one go through such great length to down play something to make their preferred device seem better or for fame?
xacto
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Even IF the XSX UI would be in 8K, it wouldn't change a damn thing, mate.
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xacto
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The PlayStation girl just made me cancel my premium Pornhub sub. She is soo much better.
Ancient Gamer
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Beware the ire of the DaFfoDiLs.
/s
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Gediminas
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i am just interested. if UI is in 4k, will it take longer to cold boot the console?
ArcaneNLSC
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ArcaneNLSC
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But yes agree does she go on the next PS5 hype train or do we have to wait until PS6 hype train?
prinz_valium
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That Xbox Beard Guy said it in some video.
But I don't remember which one.
Just like the FUD about PS5 being only a 36CU console last year?
At one point you guys need to accept reality.
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xacto
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That's a good question, and I am sure someone will be able to answer this.... but personally, I don't think so.
Killer Sakoman
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Are these YouTubers in Sony HQ? Or did sony send them units?
its big damn
I assume they are in Sony's HQ because of the mask
Gediminas
Banned
even broken clock shows two times right time but does not mean that clock is working.
reality he says, hilarious!
BlueXImpulse
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Garani
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Well, in Japan it's "good social norm" to show off what you should do. So I don't find it strange if we have Youtubers recording at home with a mask on.
Insane Metal
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Welcome back Bo!
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