Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Dolomite said:
IS this title still being developed by a single guy in china? If so he's way to humble
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nice ass.

btw. in Poland some retailers are saying that on the 19 november they going to have more PS5 to sell. I wonder if it is situation only here or Sony just produce more consoles and there are not going to be any supply problems.
 
TheThreadsThatBindUs said:
You're being disingenuous by ignoring the obvious intended ambiguity of a lot of MS next-gen PR claims, versus Sony who so far has simply refused to acknowledge the competition at all.

Sony isn't claiming to be the "only fully RDNA2" console which is a statement that makes clear implications about the competitor's product. They've simply focused on promoting their own product and features.

It's not about being butthurt about anything. It's simply making observations about the PR approach of the two companies.

If anything, your insistence to jump in and defend MS and cry fanboy when a PR tweet is criticized says more about your own emotional platform biases than anyone else's here. The irony is that by projecting your own onto others, you're only really outing yourself.
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I'm not being disingenuous, you are just completely blind to the times Sony is "acknowledging" Microsoft in the exact same way Microsoft does, by talking up something that is a differentiator while not actually mentioning the competition.

And people 100% get butthurt over MS marketing here.. It was literally called "fucking shameful" when MS tweeted about how their backwards compatibility doesn't involve downclocking lol

You guys literally never shut up about MS's marketing.. I mostly ignore it myself, and then point out when it's particularly dumb.

And I'm a far bigger Sony fan than I am an MS fan.. so miss me with that "no yer projecting" crap... notice I didn't call anyone a fanboy.. good grief... talk about projecting lol
 
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Zadom said:
That was divine intervention. Take it as a sign.
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I really just wanted it because my PS5 is going to be connected to my PC gaming / monitor setup and I want next-gen speeds for media apps lol

But I'm also going to try to get a second PS5, and would rather just use that... however I'm not expecting to have luck with that particularly since I'm shooting for the DE.
 
TheThreadsThatBindUs said:
Can you post a single example of this?
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Cerny's road to PS5 when he talked about CU count vs. clock frequency... Jim Ryan when he talked about believing in generations vs. Microsoft's "support last gen" approach (of course Sony also bullshitted people about games being PS5 only right up until they weren't.)

I'd provide more but Sony barely says a word.... that's the real difference. But when Sony speaks, they do the same kind of things MS does. MS just never shuts up as they have way more active marketing, particularly on social media.

MS Marketing is more annoying.. you won't have me disagreeing there . My point is, who gives a flying fuck?
 
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IntentionalPun said:
I'm not being disingenuous, you are just completely blind to the times Sony is "acknowledging" Microsoft in the exact same way Microsoft does, by talking up something that is a differentiator while not actually mentioning the competition.

And people 100% get butthurt over MS marketing here.. It was literally called "fucking shameful" when MS tweeted about how their backwards compatibility doesn't involve downclocking lol

You guys literally never shut up about MS's marketing.. I mostly ignore it myself, and then point out when it's particularly dumb.

And I'm a far bigger Sony fan than I am an MS fan.. so miss me with that "no yer projecting" crap... notice I didn't call anyone a fanboy.. good grief... talk about projecting lol
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It's become clear to me IntentionalPun is intolerant of us fanboys.

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❤️IntentionalPun
 
Zadom said:
It's become clear to me IntentionalPun is intolerant of us fanboys.

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❤️IntentionalPun
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I just don't understand obsessing over a product you wont' buy, or a company from a product you'll never buy lol Not telling anyone to stop commenting on Xbox as an actual product... but their marketing and Xbox fanboys living rent free in everyone's head here is annoying to me as there's nothing remotely interesting about it.
 
THEAP99 said:
oh god god please don't be true please sony don't do this



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This was bound to happen and I would guess that failure rates will be higher than previous gen's based on COVID.

They will still be very low, like very very low. Something like this would cause a product delay if it was widespread. Unless Sony has decided they want a hard out of the console business.

Let the FUD begin.
 
Mister Knister said:
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I think they have no ideia what they are talking about...
Insomniac is reading and laughing at them lol

IntentionalPun said:
They aren't sacrificing anything.. it's just different settings targeting different priorities.
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That is how you sacrifice something... you remove from one place to give in another... 700p resolution on 2020? C'mon... 1500p resolution in 12TFs power? It must be a joke.
 
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ethomaz said:
Why these new consoles are sacrificing too much for 120Hz?
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Looks like ps5 does not get a patch and runs rocket league as ps4 pro (for now)

ROCKET LEAGUE ON PLAYSTATION 5
Available at launch: 4K Resolution (checkerboard) at 60 FPS with High Dynamic Range (HDR)
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I guess it is up to either developers or if Microsoft or Sony pay for a patch.
 
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ethomaz said:
That is how you sacrifice something... you remove from one place to give in another... 700p resolution on 2020? C'mon... 1500p resolution in 12TFs power? It must be a joke.
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It's literally just a setting you don't have to use.. the word "sacrifice" is a bit dramatic, as nothing is actually removed from the game itself, just that setting.

They are doing it because people like high framerate gaming. If you don't care, don't use the setting.
 
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geordiemp said:
Looks like ps5 does not get a patch and runs rocket league as ps4 pro (for now)



I guess it is up to either developers or if Microsoft or Sony pay for a patch.
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My issue is not even that... the PS5 using the PS4 Pro mode is expected and I really won't be affected by that.

But I keep sawing games with ridiculous modes in 120fps (on PS5 either... it just that the last one I resolved to post about) that makes me wonder consoles developers are losing the touch of what the console is suppose to do.

Any of these consoles are near strong enough to run decently 120fps but devs keep trying and shaming themselves.
 
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IntentionalPun said:
It's literally just a setting you don't have to use.. the word "sacrifice" is a bit dramatic, as nothing is actually removed from the game itself, just that setting.

They are doing it because people like high framerate gaming. If you don't care, don't use the setting.
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IntentionalPun Don't you know MS=BAD PS=GOOD? It's so easy!
 
Mahavastu said:
IF the PS5 has / will have support for the PS3 (and that is a very big IF with everything we know), it won't be in the SSD controller.
It is too far away from the APU and connected too slow (only like 7GB/s)

Other positions it can be:
1. In the tempest audio engine: Mark cerny said that this is very similar to the SPEs of the Cell, so it might be used to emulate the chip. During emulating PS3 the PS5 should not really use tempest anyway.
2. Added instructions to the GPU to accelerate the PS3 emulation. In the open Source emulator a lot of stuff is done in the GPU...
3. hire some software magicians who are able to emulate the PS3 "fast enough" without hardware Cell emulation.
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4. Embed the equivalent of a PS3 (7nm 'Multi-core' CELL+RSX and 256 MBs of VRAM on a single chip) into the SSD controller to address SSD management and full compatibility with PS3.

RSX would render frames and output them to system memory via that ~7GB connection for Oberon to grab out of system memory and display (possibly in higher resolutions with enhancements after passing through a machine learning filter)...

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AeneaGames said:
Even if they added more hardware to help it's still gonna need to be emulated. The Tempest engine already behaves a lot like the SPU's as Cerny mentioned. Emulating the PowerPC parts isn't that hard. And no matter what method they choose not every game is going to work without checking.

Besides if they want to keep streaming them on PS Now they will one day have to find new ways of running the games on the servers as it's highly unlikely there are new ones being made..

So a pure software solution which can run on any device fast enough and/or an emulator using Tempest engine to help seems more likely to me.
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If CELL were present in the SSD controller there'd be no need to emulate anything. PS3 SPU code would run natively.

Many have suggested that the Tempest Engine could be the solution, but I doubt this as there's a belief among certain knowledgeable forum-goers (on other forums) who pay way more attention to this stuff than I do that trying to map code written specifically for SPUs to a CU would be torturous, and there would need to be five or six TEs onboard PS5 to provide hardware-ish compatibility with CELL's six available SPUs.

Beyond that, the question I have is: How is a modified CU clocked at 2.23 Ghz (with a lower theoretical max in the range of 102.4 to 142.7 GFLOPS) supposed to emulate six SPEs clocked at 3.2 Ghz (with a higher theoretical max of 153.6 GFLOPS)?

In my opinion CELL is the only solution to the problem of PS3 compatibility at present, but we'll see.
 
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ethomaz said:
My issue is not even that... the PS5 using the PS4 Pro mode is expected and I really won't be affected by that.

But I keep sawing games with ridiculous modes in 120fps (on PS5 either... it just that the last one I resolved to post about) that makes me wonder consoles developers are losing the touch of what the console is suppose to do.

Any of these consoles are near strong enough to run decently 120fps but devs keep trying and shaming themselves.
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They are just trying to appeal to hardcore gamers who buy launch consoles because they think they are ultra spec PCs. That secret sauce sells consoles.

Things will go back to normal in a few months and we'll get back to that 30fps nirvana. My old eyes can't keep up with all the frames these youngsters love to talk about.

I love consoles for the record. If I wanted to fiddle with settings and get max power I'd buy a PC.
 
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