Shmunter
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My 12yo also uses it with his friends. Not sure if seasoned gamers like ourselves would take the streaming compromise, but kids aren't connoisseurs.
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My 12yo also uses it with his friends. Not sure if seasoned gamers like ourselves would take the streaming compromise, but kids aren't connoisseurs.
Jtibh
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I used shareplay quite a bit.
Helped some friends out when they got stuck or showed them some secret locations item location etc in several games.
Session is limited to one hour though and streaming quality and lag is a hit and miss.
But its a wonderful tool that not a lot of people use or dont know how to use.
Gamernyc78
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I literally played drive club via shareplay before I bought it and thought most of the time I was playing a disc game lol as long as the upload numbers are good it's golden. I was so surprised how good it worked.
And yeah I don't use it as much bcus I work and buy the games I want but if patents are anything to go by there is a new Sony patent tht literally lets you tailor and cut sections of a game to send to friends and let try out. Broooo shit like tht is dope forward thinking imo.
Gamernyc78
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This was one of its main intentions and you hit it spot on. Think all those ppl tht give up on souls games bcus the bosses wreck them lol shareplay is a godsend for some.
SportsFan581
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System used a typical shroud with fans mounted to the external chassis, nothing exotic. Also, nothing unusual, in fact very typical in a space limited configuration (servers, etc.). Again the chips themselves weren't overheating, the solder was reflowing to some extent. If the problem was as simple to fix as a bigger case or a better fan, the problem would have been addressed very quickly. Unfortunately, MS was dead set on a single-model global manufacturing process, this made it a harder problem to solve than it needed to be (the US had no issues with lead solder at that point).
TheStruggler
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I wonder if the narrative thus gen will be about speed and how fast games load esp with pop in. If confirmed that Sony has a more powerful SSD, I wonder if the nrrative will be which game looks better but more leaning toward which one is faster and has less pop in now?
SNYMA
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Sony will debut the PS5 in a State of Play episode on the 6th of February 2020 a - Pastebin.com
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Gamernyc78
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I think this upcoming gen will focus more (like most gens) on who has the prettier and better exclusives. Ppl want to see if Microsoft can now hang with Sony now tht thy have a few more devs under their belt. But if there is a big discrepancy between ssd and rt solutions bet your life the warriors will cling to those too lol
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Gamernyc78
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Great now we have people using Tommy as a source of info
I saw another article with Tommy's numbers too.
HeisenbergFX4
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Sony will debut the PS5 in a State of Play episode on the 6th of February 2020 a - Pastebin.com
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I didnt write this btw
MilkyJoe
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Confidence, dingleberry
Can't recall where I read, butt apparently some devs said back when the PS4 had 4GB RAM, the Xbox One was.... more powerful?
Quite weird, unless i'm wrong, it would likely match, as the 4GB GDDR5 is way faster than DDR4, what the XO had to help was the ESRAM which was faster than GDDR, but there was only 32MB. So I would suppose the extra 0.54 TFLOPS the PS4 coupled with the faster bandwith would cover the extra RAM the Xbox One had at that point.
It wasnt more powerful in the typical sense it just had more ram before it got upped to 8GB on ps4. The xb1 also used DDR3 not DDR4.
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Kusarigama
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Oh boy... Now that it is on pastebin, it has got to be something.Sony will debut the PS5 in a State of Play episode on the 6th of February 2020 a - Pastebin.com
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Okami Haundo
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Sony will debut the PS5 in a State of Play episode on the 6th of February 2020 a - Pastebin.com
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Interesting idea at least! I'm sure they'd pair this with some kind of NDA'd event for press sometime before the SoP. Makes more sense than renting out a theater.
TheStruggler
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Im more wondering about third party titles, other than MS shooting themselevs in their foot multiple times before the gen started, lots of DF analysis was about resolution, I wonder now the system being potentiialy so close if it will be about how fast the games load and who has less pop in etc.
Fun Fanboy
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I read this in Ron Swansons voice and it was awesome.
DJ12
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Well. That confirms it then doesn't it. L. O. L.
Box . Check.
Picture of Apu. Check.
Duh must be da most powerful duh.
Forget stuff that might actually mean that obviously, like flops, clock speed and exotic tech.
Nope it's all about the box and Apu picture in dumb dumb land.
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Jtibh
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Haha exactly. I had to help a buddy of mine with genichiro in sekiro. Nearly split my ass in half trying to beat him with his shitty upload speed.
But yes its called share play for a reason. Sharing the frustration of souls games hahaha.
For real this feature is a god send and i like helping my bros out.
Tripolygon
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No it doesn't, you can have a big box yet an absolute terrible cooling. The Xbox Series X design is tall with an opening on the top with a fan at the top. Cool air is pulled in from opening at the bottom creating a partial pressure, hot air rises from the bottom to the top. It's an easy effective way to cool the whole system in a simple design. The size of the box is just there to contain everything otherwise why not go bigger?
MarkMe2525
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My only issue with this is the spec for the Xbox one x was announced around the same time as Sony unveiled the pro. How would MS copy Sony if they already had their target specs and roadmap to release?
TBiddy
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They absolutely didn't and people who say otherwise instantly lose all credibility. It's really that simple, to be frank.
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Gamernyc78
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Nope.
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/artic...pers-are-making-games-for-the-next-generation article indicates more games are in development for ps5 and quite a large amount more interest in the PS5 from developers.
Ellery
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You can feel the electricity in the air. I hope we don't go full console war, but once the specifications are out and the differences between the two consoles are known we probably can't avoid it.
What will happen? Are the consoles going to be extremely similar in all regards? Is one going to be more powerful in terms of raw GPU performance? Does one have the better RayTracing? Is the SSD speed going to be a huge deal? How will Xboxs stance on no exclusive games in the first 2 years play into this? Could PS exclusive games easily outweigh the Xbox Series X if it were to happen that the latter is more powerful?
I also wonder if something completely unexpected happens. Like way bigger than we can think of right now.
What will happen? Are the consoles going to be extremely similar in all regards? Is one going to be more powerful in terms of raw GPU performance? Does one have the better RayTracing? Is the SSD speed going to be a huge deal? How will Xboxs stance on no exclusive games in the first 2 years play into this? Could PS exclusive games easily outweigh the Xbox Series X if it were to happen that the latter is more powerful?
I also wonder if something completely unexpected happens. Like way bigger than we can think of right now.
MilkyJoe
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MilkyJoe
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I'm sorry this is going to be hard for you.
Tripolygon
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The board design is from PS4. Compare OG board design to the X. I think they took inspiration from there. Great engineers copy or however the cliche goes and ain't nothing wrong with that.
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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The Github leak also lines up with further GPU testing results that Komachi has posted on Twitter though, plus leaks from a Taiwanese gaming forum. As R R600 was saying, ray-tracing would require a different block enabled for the tests; the clock testing was for regression purposes, there wouldn't be a reason to enable the ray-tracing for those particular tests.
Hence why it wasn't listed. Doesn't mean RT isn't on the chip.
Okami Haundo
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I'm excited for a scenario where they're both extremely similar, but have key differences that amount to almost nothing in terms of actual games. I want to see people online that are counting rays of light shining between leaves of a tree.
ResilientBanana
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This doesn't make sense. How many people actually watch State of Play?Sony will debut the PS5 in a State of Play episode on the 6th of February 2020 a - Pastebin.com
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DJ12
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Not as hard as holding a conversation based in reality is for you.
Let's just get this straight though. I'm not saying the Xbox isn't more powerful, it maybe for all we know, what I'm saying is your reason for it is dumb as fuq.
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xool
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These are the OG heatsinks - the one with the copper base and heatpipe on the left is the CPU one - the one on the right is the GPU one. (Nowadays I've seen better on DRAM)
Clue : the og GPU sink is a POS
This is the V2 sink for the GPU that fixed the problem - it add an additional cooling element, and a heat pipe
But that wasn't all - even though the 360 had two fans they drove a single duct, with the GPU cooling part having a very narrow constriction, meaning it was easier for the airflow to completely bypass the GPU and instead cool the CPU sink.. why there wasn't a divider in the ducting I cannot explain.
This is the RROD fix in place - you can see that the V2 GPU sink now has a heatpiped extension that sits in the air path of the CPU sink ..
The break did happen at the solder, but it wasn't the solder's fault, and there are two obvious unexplained stupids with the original design of the cooling.
imo looks like incompetence as there were two obvious mistakes
DeepEnigma
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Between NA and EU (official YouTube not counting mirror channels sharing the same videos), over 1 million views... now if they decide to show PS5 content and announce it ahead of time. I expect 10 times that amount.
Look how excited people got over a logo. A LOGO.
Tenka Musou
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A state of play would be extremely limp. We need a live event with all the spectacle that comes with it, we need Cerny, Yoshida, Ryan, and a bunch of third parties on stage.
Fuck, we only get this once every 7+ years, it better not be a friggin' SoP
Fuck, we only get this once every 7+ years, it better not be a friggin' SoP
Alot of people watch it, thousands upon thousands. Cant remember the precise number for them but its does quite well.
xool
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Worse case scenario (which I'm expecting) is that Xbox is 20-25% powerful in terms of TFlops .. but this is (i think) the smallest difference ever between competing consoles (actually gamecube/PS2 might be close but they're also so different..)
Not sure how I feel about a difference - like wiser people have said "some place like Digital Foundry will have to pause a game, zoom in 300% and count who has the most blades of grass" .. which is what I expect to difference to be ..
still e-penis size though
I mean we've had a year of detailed tech leaks .. that seemed reliable .. plus now a die shot of a 400mm2 that matches expectations of those leaks.
Do we really? What we need is a longer state of play that covers everything. About 1 hour and 30 minute long. Where cerny talks about HW and the rest about games. The name ps5 will do the rest and people will watch everything and get hyped.
Media will get to cover everything at a later date. Think about it. If the logo gets so much attention a youtube video or live video presentation will do the same.
Okami Haundo
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What if they fit in a teaser showing tiny parts of the PS5 and then a reveal date during the super bowl?
Now I'm just imaging a cocky-ass move that only Sony could pull off.
No official PS5 reveal, no games shown yet, just a 15-30 second super-bowl spot that shows us the box, name, price, release date, and "pre-order now".
It won't happen, but I'd honestly still be hyped about that.
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If they do that, i wish them good luck to dampen the negative hype resulting an incomplete spec showoff.
SportsFan581
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xool
, the lead-free solder was introduced very late in the development process (literally months before the unit hit production. Lead solder units created prior, had no reflow issues. Even production models had no issues with critical temperatures. That's all I can tell you. Band-aid fixes were attempted to avoid reflow.
Sorry to derail the topic, LOL
MilkyJoe
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My reasons;
Both have access to the same tech.
MS are on the back foot after X1 launch.
Sony have no incentive to go over the top.
MS have talked nothing but power and "best place to play" for 4 years.
MS show off a controversially massive case, out of the blue, and stating the design team were mandated on performance over looks.
And yes a photo of the SoC for all to see.
The latter two appear to be a show of confidence.
Lastly the 12/9.5 that's all over. Where there's smoke there's fire.
If that's as daft as fuq then call the loony bin and book a room for Milky Wibble!
DJ12
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Do you seriously believe ps5 is 3 tflops down on Xbox because some web searcher found a document with absolutely no context telling you that?
Despite the fact that every single leak says they are virtually the same power?
If you believe ps5 is 9.2 tflops then you also believe Phil was using creative math skills and the 12 tflops he was refering to was a gcn equivelant value and the Xbox is actually similarly powered and under 10 tflops.
Xbox cannot be 12 tflops and ps5 9.2 and both be similar in power, with ps5 with a slight advantage like Osiris and other leakers have said.
Only way that could possibly happen is if Microsoft royally fucked up another part of the console. I don't believe that is possible but if you do then fair play to you.
HeisenbergFX4
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If they tease they will show the PS5 it will not only be watched by a ton of people it will be the top trending item on Social Media within minutes.
Gudji
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