Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Neo Blaster said:
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I'm giving hope to this thread, I might get it right this time 🙄
 
Mod of War said:
That is technically "wireless", but I think others are meaning how they do it with cell phones with the Qi wireless tech?
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Then it's no different than the docks we've all been using for decade(s).
Yes, the patent that began this discussion is for a Qi like implementation. Pad integrated into top of console and another one in bottom of controller.
 
01011001 said:
that is build price only. you have to add packaging, shipping and retailer cuts to that.
also there is no way the Series X costs less than $500 to build... absolutely no way. the $550 range is more realistic, then add packaging and retailer + taxes...

the Series X will be a $600 console if Microsoft doesn't sell at a loss, and even then I think they will make a small loss on it.
the specs of the Series X are ridiculous compared to what current gen systems were at the time, and Sony even sold the PS4 at a small loss at launch if I remember correctly.
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I said before that the article does not state $450, it says around, which means it could be higher or lower than $450. People also just ignore the part where they're trying to match the price of the new Xbox.


StreetsofBeige said:
Nobody thinks PS fans are delusional.
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I've seen several people make this statement.
 
StreetsofBeige said:
Nobody thinks PS fans are delusional.

we're all here just having fun taking jabs. Look how many jabs Xbox gamers got in 2013 for drm and tv, yet Xbox didn't have drm/used game locks when it released. And Sony actually focuses more on tv than MS with tv content and PS Vue cable plans.

what we do know is MS stated from the beginning "double the power" and it was confirmed on their website as 12tf RDNA 2. So there is no more guess work.

Sony has said nothing and the only things we have are Oberon github leaks which seemed legit (I never saw it but supposedly it even had employee names and contact info), and then we got vague offline claims which every insider seems to even have different numbers.

so thats why people are having fun with the Oberon leak. It's the only concrete info we really have until Sony says something.... even a vague "double the power" kind of claim isn't even around.

It's like cars. Let's say a blue print spec sheet leaked to the net saying a new BMW is 300 HP. It gets taken down. But people see it. That's all we have for now.

if some mechanic at the dealership claims he heard from a salesman that he heard about it actually being 400 HP but has zero proof, who are you going to believe until BMW releases the fancy brochure with official car specs? A leaked spec sheet? Or a guy playing telephone and claiming he heard it's more?
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But here's the kicker, what if those guys that you are talking about were trusted journalists and verified insiders like Kleegamefan, or Matt (ResetEra Moderator), or Jason Schreier are telling you something that negates that out of context info?

You see? It goes both ways, those guys I have mentioned have seen the leak and they have what they have which they still can't tell because NDA reasons, we even have Matt and Klee denying it. Take that into account as well.
 
o'dium said:
It's not just about cross buy, but about delivering different assets that are delivered to the user depending on the system they are on. For example playing Forza horizon 5 on Xbox one will have its own unique game, but you can use your save seamlessly on Forza horizon 5 series x. Put the disk into either console, and only the assets that your console requires are downloaded, rather than the full game package that may contain last or next gen assets. Plus, you can cherry pick what you want to install and when, such as single player and multiplayer.

Essentially what the PS4 (and Xbox one even) did was either a) force you to buy a remaster (different sku, different product, buy twice) or b) you buy a game and get the next gen version free (or previous gen version, for example cod ghosts). it would still be two unique skus and two unique products. This still classes as one product with progression and saves cross compatible. Stick your halo infinite disk in an Xbox one and you will be treated to the halo infinite Xbox one game (with changes, cut backs etc), but it will only install Xbox one required data. Then upgrade to series x and put it in, and it will only install the next gen data, no useless 360 stuff, same disk. Also letting you pick what stuff you wish to install.

it's essentially the next step in what the consoles both sides last gen did, and it's a logical progression.

Also for BC titles, you can essentially stick a previous gen disk in or play a digitally owned one, and the resolution will be bumped up and frame rate maxed out, with no user intervention. On PlayStation the limited BC they already had was spotty, and offered no upgrades. The upgraded older games usually came as a paid for updated remaster type deal. This also falls under the new content delivery system.
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It's advanced cross buy.

But yeah in looking into it on PS4 that was for dinky digital only indie games? It's still 2 different versions of the game though. And to my point that's what the tweet was questioning, having to buy the same game twice.

Whether this will apply to full blown AAA and disk based games for Playststion 5 is a good question though, technical details notwithstanding.
 
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Batiman said:
Depends on what you prefer as a consumer. I don't care about sales
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Yeah I'm with you on this.
But it's a big corporation, they don't really care about us except for our money.
Same goes for every big company.

Sony have popular IPs , they Will market them first and more if they don't have the power advantage.
 
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Mod of War said:
That is technically "wireless", but I think others are meaning how they do it with cell phones with the Qi wireless tech?
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Yes, which doesn't require physically exposed contacts making direct contact with exposed prongs to initiate charging. I would not consider this wireless.
 
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geordiemp said:
I really hope sony have not blown budget on something so damn useless.
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I wouldn't worry about the cost of this established and fairly cheap technology. I doubt this will be a feature, especially built into the console's chassis or wherever. If it is there though that would be nice and convenient, IMO. I wouldn't mind just placing my controller on top of the console to charge and walk out of the room without having to plug shit in. :messenger_sunglasses:

Edit: You can get a wireless charger for $11.99 (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B079KZ49PJ/?tag=neogaf0e-20).
 
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how about they just leave the damn USB ports powered when the console is turned off? that would help for once... so you don't have to have a phone charger nearby when you want to charge your controller after you stop playing???
I'm literally powering my SNES mini through my Xbox One X because it still has all USB slots powered when turned off.
 
I just want to point out, totally off topic, that when (IF) you read my posts, and you see they are full of random letters, words, spacing etc, that it's due to the beautiful ios13, which likes to replace the most normal of words with utter shite.

The actual content of my posts is still all bollocks mind you. I'm just not THAT illiterate as ios13 makes me appear 🤣
 
DForce said:
Who said 450?

Article said around 450. ZhugeEX predicted that that new Xbox would cost between a minimum of 460 and maximum of 520. The article also talked about Sony trying to match the price of the new Xbox.


People who keep saying PS fans are delusional are the sames one ignoring information that points in another direction. People choose not to wait until things are confirmed. They just want to repeat the same stuff over and over again by calling PS fans delusional.
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Zhuge said 460-520$ before price spike (vs 450$ after spike for Sony). Essentially meaning XSX BOM is almost certainly bigger, even without considering price hike for it (I personally think they dont know correct BOM, but 450$ being too much would indicate 399$ console as aim).
 
Gudji said:
So no one took screenshots of those tweets? What did it say?
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Nope, I read it a little. rogame said 9.2tf is real and its too late for the ps5 pro(lol). You guys are giving that dude too much credit, heck he didn't even leak navi. Usman, the guy who got navi right said both consoles are using the same GPU rdna2.
 
HGamer said:
Yes, they did all of that, but they still haven't said that it is "the most powerful console ever made".... I think them bragging about the 12 TF is something like reaching a HUGE milestone in technology, more than them flexing their console's power against what Sony have in their PS5, they are sooooo confident and on the offensive, but they still haven't said it.

And don't tell me if they don't know that, I mean let's assume that the GitHub 9.2 TF leak is true for the PS5, if WE normal users on the Internet knew this about the PS5, then of course Microsoft knows much more about what Sony has ESPECIALLY at this time and vice-versa.

At E3 2016, Microsoft revealed to the world the Xbox Scorpio (Xbox One X now) as the most powerful console ever made, so that's something to think about.
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MS reveales X as most powerful because full dev documentation about PS4Pro leaked after GDC. Same reason why Sony could slip "most powerful" back in 2013.

Whatever Github says, its no way near as clear cut as either case when full specs leaked from official devkit documentation. Personally, I think they are flaunting sony.
 
01011001 said:
how about they just leave the damn USB ports powered when the console is turned off? that would help for once... so you don't have to have a phone charger nearby when you want to charge your controller after you stop playing???
I'm literally powering my SNES mini through my Xbox One X because it still has all USB slots powered when turned off.
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We replaced every plug in our house a few years back with sockets that have built in usb fast charge. Was expensive, but we no longer have to run around trying to find adapters.

We also installed wireless charging pads in most rooms so we can just toss shit down and not care so much.

My wife's phone battery is STILL always flat mind You... maybe she posts more than I do in this bloody thread?
 
01011001 said:
how about they just leave the damn USB ports powered when the console is turned off? that would help for once... so you don't have to have a phone charger nearby when you want to charge your controller after you stop playing???
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Which console doesn't do that? And RIP your controller if you're using fast chargers. Look at the ratings on the back of your controller than at the ones on your charger.
 
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R600 said:
Zhuge said 460-520$ before price spike (vs 450$ after spike for Sony). Essentially meaning XSX BOM is almost certainly bigger, even without considering price hike for it (I personally think they dont know correct BOM, but 450$ being too much would indicate 399$ console as aim).
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And where does he say this? He gave estimate on XB price based on the current costs.

He also says XB is likely higher but states "as of now".

 
o'dium said:
We replaced every plug in our house a few years back with sockets that have built in usb fast charge. Was expensive, but we no longer have to run around trying to find adapters.

We also installed wireless charging pads in most rooms so we can just toss shit down and not care so much.

My wife's phone battery is STILL always flat mind You... maybe she posts more than I do in this bloody thread?
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well since I have to have a USB cable near my PS4 at all times anyways it would be nice if the damn thing would charge controller when it's off aswell...
and why do I have to have a USB cable nearby at all times? BECAUSE THE FUCKING PS4 DOESN'T HAVE A DAMN SYNC BUTTON EITHER! so the only way to sync a fucking controller is to connect it via USB cable...
and I use 2 PS4s both with multiple controllers for multiplayer, and I hate changing controllers so I always use my modified Uncharted blue edition controller that has Xbox One Elite analog sticks in it.

so give us a damn sync button please, and leave the damn USB slots powered! THX!
 
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The way the guy in the giantbomb podcast looks up and around after saying "the 3rd" is a textbook involuntary reaction. Basically "I fucked up and don't know where to look, what to do, how to be...I can't take that back.... BRAIN.exe has stopped responding...".
 
Disco_ said:
Which console doesn't do that? And RIP your controller if you're using fast chargers. Look at the ratings on the back of your controller than at the ones on your charger.
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the PS4 doesn't do that... you can't charge your controllers on a PS4 if it is turned off... also I have no issues with my controllers which all charge through my Nvidia Shield fast charger. the PS4 controller I currently use and, have used for years, has no signs of battery issues (aside from having a very low battery life in general as per usual with DualShock 4 controllers)
 
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For those of you buying or thinking of buying a PS5. Would 9TF really be that much of an issue for you? If the price was 350?
I don't think it would bother me at all. If the price is right.
 
FeiRR said:
I'm following Xbox news at the moment because features in next gen consoles will most likely be similar (state-to-disk, lower latency controllers, 3D audio acceleration, overall speed, etc.). I have no interest in Xbox and I can't see them changing my mind. Their games are coming to PC anyway so if I really want to try them, I'll rent them for a month on GP, that'll probably be enough. I'm sure more people are doing the same. What has Microsoft shown so far in terms of games? One pre-rendered artists' vision of a sequel to an AA game which sold quite well for its profile but you definitely can't call it a system seller.

I'm sure Microsoft will sell a bit more consoles next gen because they don't seem to be making the same terrible mistakes. But don't hold your breath and think that a brand like PS with worldwide awareness will suddenly become less popular just because you're rooting for your 'home team'. Xbox comes from Microsoft, which most people detest because we have to deal with their OS at work every day. Xbox GP app on Windows is a pile of crap compared to most other vendor apps, even Epic Store or Origin. It does not do a great job of selling me the brand, to put mildly. A teraflop or two more is not going to change that. I think Lockhart might sell much better if it's priced right and bundled with GP, provided they start releasing games for a broader audience rather than the usual racer duo and two supersoldier-shooting-monsters titles. Meanwhile, Spencer continues to be the same peacock he's always been and says that Sony isn't his competition. I can see Nintendo destroying his plans faster than he thinks while Sony will just do what they've done for 25 years. Google isn't even going to look back. They may have no idea about gaming but they basically own the Internet. There's no way around it.
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Yup, I would rather pay $1000-2000 on Big Navi and probably pay $10 to play and finish 1-4 xbox exclusives within one month. That's if they're good enough to pull my attention. Or just use my current set with Radeon VII as it's perfect for Star Citizen anyway, but Big Navi seems to be insanely good for 4K-8K video editing, especially for raw 12-bit video files that can destroy most PC's and give you nostalgic feeling of Windows 95.

Microsoft has its shit OS, and Nokia was dump enough to refuse Google's android at its prime era then goes for the horrendous windows OS before coming to android lately. iOS might be a great system for PC, but I'm not paying $43K for that. I'm waiting for ChromeOS to mature and be a true competitor or even wait for Harmony OS.
 
01011001 said:
well since I have to have a USB cable near my PS4 at all times anyways it would be nice if the damn thing would charge controller when it's off aswell...
and why do I have to have a USB cable nearby at all times? BECAUSE THE FUCKING PS4 DOESN'T HAVE A DAMN SYNC BUTTON EITHER! so the only way to sync a fucking controller is to connect it via USB cable...
and I use 2 PS4s both with multiple controllers for multiplayer, and I hate changing controllers so I always use my modified Uncharted blue edition controller that has Xbox One Elite analog sticks in it.

so give us a damn sync button please, and leave the damn USB slots powered! THX!
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What do you mean by "sync"? I can change and connect controllers just with the PS button.
 
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Zoro7 said:
For those of you buying or thinking of buying a PS5. Would 9TF really be that much of an issue for you? If the price was 350?
I don't think it would bother me at all. If the price is right.
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It won't matter for the majority of people, casuals don't care about that stuff as long as it runs the latest games.
But yeah, I would go with XSX for multiplat games and later on grab a cheap PS5 or PS5 PRO (if they release one again).
 
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01011001 said:
the PS4 doesn't do that... you can't charge your controllers on a PS4 if it is turned off... also I have no issues with my controllers which all charge through my Nvidia Shield fast charger. the PS4 controller I currently use and, have used for years, has no signs of battery issues (aside from having a very low battery life in general as per usual with DualShock 4 controllers)
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Do you mean in stand-by? It does that.
 
01011001 said:
the PS4 doesn't do that... you can't charge your controllers on a PS4 if it is turned off... also I have no issues with my controller which all charge through my Nvidia Shield fast charger. the PS4 controller I currently use has no signs of battery issues (aside from having a very low battery life in general as per usual with DualShock 4 controllers)
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Both ps4 and xbone charge your controller when "off". PS4 does it in rest mode, xbone turns back on from off in order to do it, unless it's also in rest/stand by.
 
VanSiriusGabriel said:
What do you mean by "sync"? I can change and connec controllers just with the PS button.
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uhm... a sync button should be universally understood right?
you press the button... then you press a corresponding sync button on your console and that then connects the controller to your console...
 
Sosokrates said:
500gb.... So like 3-5 AAA games... That's crazy, don't believe it.
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Sony has fucked up if the console only has 500gb storage. Presumably, there will be an option to expand the memory which counteracts this, but at an additional cost. The very thought of releasing a console in 2020 with 500gb is laughable - especially as we move to a more digital future.

I hope we aren't heading into another Sony minefield of propriety memory expansion for no other reason but to fleece their consumer base.
 
01011001 said:
uhm... a sync button should be universally understood right?
you press the button... then you press a corresponding sync button on your console and that then connects the controller to your console...
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I dunno, maybe I don't understand something because there is a button to connect the controller with no cable.
 
01011001 said:
uhm... a sync button should be universally understood right?
you press the button... then you press a corresponding sync button on your console and that then connects the controller to your console...
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You just need to press PS button on PS4... synced... it even turn the PS4 on if I'm rest mode.
 
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Disco_ said:
Both ps4 and xbone charge your controller when "off". PS4 does it in rest mode, xbone turns back on from off in order to do it, unless it's also in rest/stand by.
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that is absolutely wrong, I have my Xbox One X on "power saver" and it still powers everything I plug into it... like I said I literally run my SNES mini through powering it via the USB port on my One X when it is turned off (power saving mode)
meanwhile the PS4 doesn't do that.

I do not let my systems sit in standby, not only can that fuck with game performance (hence why Digital Foundry usually cold reboot both systmes before testing games) but it's also a waste of energy.
 
Zoro7 said:
For those of you buying or thinking of buying a PS5. Would 9TF really be that much of an issue for you? If the price was 350?
I don't think it would bother me at all. If the price is right.
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I wasn't happy with the pro because it was designed around a $399 price tag. I don't think I'd be happy with a ps5 designed around a $350 price tag.
 
replicant- said:
Sony has fucked up if the console only has 500gb storage. Presumably, there will be an option to expand the memory which counteracts this, but at an additional cost. The very thought of releasing a console in 2020 with 500gb is laughable - especially as we move to a more digital future.

I hope we aren't heading into another Sony minefield of propriety memory expansion for no other reason but to fleece their consumer base.
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Not if its on the board and there is easy expansion, as lets face it you only play 1 or 2 games at a time,.

There has to be easy way to plug in a large dirve inside the console though, I hate external boxes.
 
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