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[replicant-]

For those of you buying or thinking of buying a PS5. Would 9TF really be that much of an issue for you? If the price was 350?
I don't think it would bother me at all. If the price is right.

It isn't going to be 350 9tf or not.

Does 9tf bother me? Yes/No. It is a good improvement over the Pro which means great Sony WWS games, however, it does mean the XSX will be the console for 3rd party titles if there are real-life benefits. Similar to this generation really since the release of the X. Pro for exclusives and some other games, X for 3rd party.

 

[Mr Moose]

that is absolutely wrong, I have my Xbox One X on "power saver" and it still powers everything I plug into it... like I said I literally run my SNES mini through powering it via the USB port on my One X when it is turned off (power saving mode)
meanwhile the PS4 doesn't do that.

I do not let my systems sit in standby, not only can that fuck with game performance (hence why Digital Foundry usually cold reboot both systmes before testing games) but it's also a waste of energy.

I've got bad news for you... You can't charge something when there's no power going through it (Off), you are using stand-by.

 

[01011001]

I dunno, maybe I don't understand something because there is a button to connect the controller with no cable.

You just need to press PS button on PS4... synced... it even turn the PS4 on if I'm rest mode.

do you guys really not understand the concept of a sync button? are you for real right now?

okay, what do you guys do when you have a new controller or a friend brings a controller over? what do you do to >>>>SYNC<<<< it to your system? if you press the PS button (Home) all you do is turn on the controller, and that controller then looks for the system it is synced up to. if that console is not the console you currently want to use the controller on IT WILL NOT CONNECT.

 

[Disco_]

that is absolutely wrong, I have my Xbox One X on "power saver" and it still powers everything I plug into it... like I said I literally run my SNES mini through powering it via the USB port on my One X when it is turned off (power saving mode)
meanwhile the PS4 doesn't do that.

I do not let my systems sit in standby, not only can that fuck with game performance (hence why Digital Foundry usually cold reboot both systmes before testing games) but it's also a waste of energy.

Power saver is standby and yes, that charges your controller, as I said. And yes,PS4 has the same feature. I'm not sure what's "absolutely wrong" about what I said.

 

[Evilms]

6912 cuda core & 48 GB Vram with 7nm :

7552 cuda core & 24 GB Vram with 7nm :

for comparison Quadro GV100 have 5120 cuda core with 142837 point score on geekbench.

 

[Mr Moose]

To pair a controller for the first time on PS4 you need to use a USB cable.

 

[01011001]

I've got bad news for you... You can't charge something when there's no power going through it (Off), you are using stand-by.

technically it is stand by, yes, but it should be clear what I am saying, stop being pedantic ok?
when I have both systems on the mode that uses the least amount of power, the Xbox still delivers power to charge controllers for example, while the PS4 doesn't

 

[VanSiriusGabriel]

do you guys really not understand the concept of a sync button? are you for real right now?

okay, what do you guys do when you have a new controller or a friend brings a controller over? what do you do to >>>>SYNC<<<< it to your system? if you press the PS button (Home) all you do is turn on the controller, and that controller then looks for the system it is synced up to. if that console is not the console you currently want to use the controller on IT WILL NOT CONNECT.

Ah, do you mean the first time. Jeez, calm down, I did it once seven years ago for fucks sake.

 

[ethomaz]

do you guys really not understand the concept of a sync button? are you for real right now?

okay, what do you guys do when you have a new controller or a friend brings a controller over? what do you do to >>>>SYNC<<<< it to your system? if you press the PS button (Home) all you do is turn on the controller, and that controller then looks for the system it is synced up to. if that console is not the console you currently want to use the controller on IT WILL NOT CONNECT.

Even a new brand controller you don't need to plug USB... just hit PS button lol
It will work and sync... of course a new brand controller can't turn the console yet but you just need to turn the PS4 on and hit PS button once to sync.

Maybe you are saying that because there is two PS4 near each other? So there is interference with the signal.

 

[replicant-]

Not if its on the board and there is easy expansion, as lets face it you only play 1 or 2 games at a time,.

There has to be easy way to plug in a large dirve inside the console though, I hate external boxes.

1-2 games at a time? I've got a 4tb external drive for both the Pro and X. and 2tb SSD in the PC.

I've got fibre, but I really don't want to have to download games on a regular basis due to Sony's decision to ship with 500gb (minus system dedicated space).

As you say perhaps there will be a way to expand via additional NVMe. Not a game-breaker as I can afford to upgrade, but many people can't.

 

[Gamernyc78]

Power saver is standby and yes, that charges your controller, as I said. And yes,PS4 has the same feature. I'm not sure what's "absolutely wrong" about what I said.

Lol he just doesn't know. It happens often with some of these ppl thy talk about a feature on their system as if new tht was long had on PS4. Rest mode is same shit and still charges controllers and downloads.

 

[XinTniX]

how about they just leave the damn USB ports powered when the console is turned off? that would help for once... so you don't have to have a phone charger nearby when you want to charge your controller after you stop playing???
I'm literally powering my SNES mini through my Xbox One X because it still has all USB slots powered when turned off.

Rest mode?

 

[01011001]

To pair a controller for the first time on PS4 you need to use a USB cable.

exactly, and as I said I use multiple controllers (for multiplayer) on multiple PS4 systems and want an easy way to connect the damn things...
but as of now I always basically need a USB cable near or plugged in to my PS4s in order to connect the controllers.
when every other system on the damn market for at least a decade now has simply a sync button on the system.

 

[Mr Moose]

technically it is stand by, yes, but it should be clear what I am saying, stop being pedantic ok?
when I have both systems on the mode that uses the least amount of power, the Xbox still delivers power to charge controllers for example, while the PS4 doesn't

Do you have it turned on? Settings/Powers saving settings/Set features available in rest mode and supply power to USB ports set to on?

 

[ethomaz]

To pair a controller for the first time on PS4 you need to use a USB cable.

Nope.
You need just to turn the PS4 on... after that you hit PS button and voila magic.

Like I asked... maybe it is because he is paring the PS4 controller with more than one PS4?

 

[saintjules]

I dont think so, because I have seen other people linking Dealer videos as well. However Dealer is banned on Era for sure (they are banning everyone anyway ).

Ah ok. I watch his content just to get views from all angles. There was a quote in his comments section:

I got some info from an amd enginer: AMD is holding a conference for investors about rdna2 on march 5, expect a ton of new info after that date. CPU is 8x3.6ghz as rumored. SSD is M2. Also, this guy claims rdna2 gains wont be as big as on pc gfx cards because of the APU. I dont know what he meant by that. He thinks all tech info about XSX and PS5 will be revealed during march.

 

[FranXico]

how about they just leave the damn USB ports powered when the console is turned off? that would help for once... so you don't have to have a phone charger nearby when you want to charge your controller after you stop playing???
I'm literally powering my SNES mini through my Xbox One X because it still has all USB slots powered when turned off.

The PS4 leaves the ports powered when in rest mode.

 

[01011001]

Do you have it turned on? Settings/Powers saving settings/Set features available in rest mode and supply power to USB ports set to on?

rest mode is where the system light is orange right? that is the exact mode I don't want my PS4 to be in when I turn it off

 

[geordiemp]

1-2 games at a time? I've got a 4tb external drive for both the Pro and X. and 2tb SSD in the PC.

I've got fibre, but I really don't want to have to download games on a regular basis due to Sony's decision to ship with 500gb (minus system dedicated space).

As you say perhaps there will be a way to expand via additional NVMe. Not a game-breaker as I can afford to upgrade, but many people can't.

Yeah I ahve 4gb on 2 x Pros, as long as you can expand and its off the shelf, then it helps list of Ps5 thats good.

Lets face it, anyone with a Ps4 library is going to want 4gb + and the rest, you cant include that in a console at start.

 

[Fake]

I have right now 4 dualshock 4. One came with the PS4, one I get on gamestop, other in Saraiva and the final on Amazon. I don't remember using the usb cable for doing. Just for recharge. The manual say before I pair, I need to use the usb cable for charging for the first time, but I just press the PS button and indeed he did the work.
My broken DS4, with came with the PS4, have some analog issues and after all those problem he lost pair with PS4. The others work just fine.

 

[FERN]

Sony has fucked up if the console only has 500gb storage. Presumably, there will be an option to expand the memory which counteracts this, but at an additional cost. The very thought of releasing a console in 2020 with 500gb is laughable - especially as we move to a more digital future.

I hope we aren't heading into another Sony minefield of propriety memory expansion for no other reason but to fleece their consumer base.

It would make sense since they said you will have the ability to install different parts of the game separately to save space.
Also keeps the cost of the unit down on launch day. I'd be OK with that.

 

[Mr Moose]

Nope.
You need just to turn the PS4 on... after that you hit PS button and voila magic.

From what I remember doing with mine, I've needed to use a USB cable. Not sure if this has changed in an update, I haven't paired one in a while.

Using the wireless controller | PlayStation®4 User's Guide

PlayStation®4 Official User's Guide. Explains how to use the PS4™ system.

manuals.playstation.net

Pairing a device

The first time you use a controller or when you want to use the controller on another PS4™ system, you'll need to pair it with the system. Connect the controller to your system with a USB cable while the system is on.

 

[ethomaz]

rest mode is where the system light is orange right? that is the exact mode I don't want my PS4 to be in when I turn it off

So you want it to turn off... USB are off too.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Welcome to the thread! First time eating here? Can I get you a menu?

Menu:

Corny pizza with milk tea

Bacon with honey

Drinks:

Chilli juice

Deserts:

Fried icecream

Note: we don't have a bathroom, be cautious for your own dignity

 

[01011001]

So you want it to turn off... USB are off too.

I can still turn the system on with a controller, meaning there is still power running through the system to keep some stuff active.
I just want them to extend that to the damn USB ports should there be something plugged into them.

again, the XBox One, the XBox 360, the Wii U and many more systems do that.

 

[ethomaz]

From what I remember doing with mine, I've needed to use a USB cable. Not sure if this has changed in an update, I haven't paired one in a while.

Using the wireless controller | PlayStation®4 User's Guide

PlayStation®4 Official User's Guide. Explains how to use the PS4™ system.

manuals.playstation.net

You don't need since launch in 2013.
BTW it is how I paired my PS4 with iPhone to run Xbox xCloud.... it is how bluethooth works.

Method 2: Connect your wireless controllers to PS4 without USB cable
If you want to add a second or more wireless controllers to your PS4 console, but you don't have the USB cable, you still can connect them without the USB cable. Here is how to do it:

1) On your PS4 dashboard, go to Settings > Devices > Bluetooth Devices (via a media remote for your PS4 or a connected PS4 controller).

2) On your PS4 controller (the one you want to connect), hold down the SHARE button and the PS button for around 5 seconds.

3) Your PS4 controller should then show up in the Bluetooth Devices screen. Select it.

4) Your PS4 controller should then be connected to your console now. Enjoy your games.

 

[Mr Moose]

rest mode is where the system light is orange right? that is the exact mode I don't want my PS4 to be in when I turn it off

But your Xbox is... Never mind

 

[demigod]

technically it is stand by, yes, but it should be clear what I am saying, stop being pedantic ok?
when I have both systems on the mode that uses the least amount of power, the Xbox still delivers power to charge controllers for example, while the PS4 doesn't

Charging Your DUALSHOCK®4 in PS4™ Rest Mode

The steps below walk you through charging in Rest Mode:

1. 
   From the PS4™ home screen, go to [Settings] > [Power Save Settings].
   
2. 
   Scroll and select [Set Features Available in Rest Mode].
   
3. 
   Select [Supply Power to USB Ports] select [Always] from the menu on the right.
   
4. 
   Us the PS button or the O button to get back to where you want to be.
   

 

[Fake]

Christ...

 

[demigod]

You don't need.

Method 2: Connect your wireless controllers to PS4 without USB cable
If you want to add a second or more wireless controllers to your PS4 console, but you don't have the USB cable, you still can connect them without the USB cable. Here is how to do it:

1) On your PS4 dashboard, go to Settings > Devices > Bluetooth Devices (via a media remote for your PS4 or a connected PS4 controller).

2) On your PS4 controller (the one you want to connect), hold down the SHARE button and the PS button for around 5 seconds.

3) Your PS4 controller should then show up in the Bluetooth Devices screen. Select it.

4) Your PS4 controller should then be connected to your console now. Enjoy your games.

What he's saying is that you need the USB cable to connect to the PS4 for the first time. In order to do the above, you still need another controller to go into the settings to sync a 2nd controller without using the USB cable. The Wii had a way to sync the controllers by pushing buttons on the Wii console and the controllers. I am not aware if PS4 can do this.

 

[01011001]

Charging Your DUALSHOCK®4 in PS4™ Rest Mode

The steps below walk you through charging in Rest Mode:

1. 
   From the PS4™ home screen, go to [Settings] > [Power Save Settings].
   
2. 
   Scroll and select [Set Features Available in Rest Mode].
   
3. 
   Select [Supply Power to USB Ports] select [Always] from the menu on the right.
   
4. 
   Us the PS button or the O button to get back to where you want to be.
   

I DON'T WANT IT TO BE IN REST MODE... how many times do I need to say that?

But your Xbox is... Never mind

what is my Xbox? it is in power saver mode, meaning it cold boots every time I turn it on, exactly what I want, and it still charges my controllers and my SNES Mini.

 

[ethomaz]

I can still turn the system on with a controller, meaning there is still power running through the system to keep some stuff active.
I just want them to extend that to the damn USB ports should there be something plugged into them.

again, the XBox One, the XBox 360, the Wii U and many more systems do that.

Because Xbox One, 360 and Wii U are not turned off.
You know there is a complain that only taking the plug off from the energy to make them turn off.

 

[01011001]

Because Xbox One, 360 and Wii U are not turned off.
You know there is a complain that only taking the plug off from the energy to make them turn off.

okay, let's make this super easy and so you can't purposefully misunderstand what I am saying OK?

I want the PS5 to be in a state where, if I choose to turn it on, it cold boots the system. and in that state it should still charge my controllers if I plugged them in to the system.
all my other consoles (except the PS3...) do this, and the PS4 (and PS3) is the only system that doesn't.

it is also the only System where I can't just hit a sync button to sync controllers... the only one in more than a decade (except the PS3)

 

[ethomaz]

What he's saying is that you need the USB cable to connect to the PS4 for the first time. In order to do the above, you still need another controller to go into the settings to sync a 2nd controller without using the USB cable. The Wii had a way to sync the controllers by pushing buttons on the Wii console and the controllers. I am not aware if PS4 can do this.

You still can.

1. Turn on the PS4 via HDMI-CEC (just switch sources on your TV to PS4)
2. Use the TV controller to sync the new PS4 controller.

Of course there is the rare case when you don't have a HDMI-CEC TV... so you are fucked.

But hey... once you do one time the pairing PS4 will hold that info forever unless you do a factory reset or enter via safeboot (it disable the synced devices but if you reboot normal again the synced devices returns fine).

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

technically it is stand by, yes, but it should be clear what I am saying, stop being pedantic ok?
when I have both systems on the mode that uses the least amount of power, the Xbox still delivers power to charge controllers for example, while the PS4 doesn't

I get the point you're trying to make, but this is wrong

 

[demigod]

Both ps4 and xbone charge your controller when "off". PS4 does it in rest mode, xbone turns back on from off in order to do it, unless it's also in rest/stand by.

I DON'T WANT IT TO BE IN REST MODE... how many times do I need to say that?



what is my Xbox? it is in power saver mode, meaning it cold boots every time I turn it on, exactly what I want, and it still charges my controllers and my SNES Mini.

Did you miss what he said? LOL if you didn't know it turned it back on in rest mode.

 

[IkarugaDE]

How do you notice that PS fans are frustrated and no longer know what they want to talk about?


They're arguing over the console's power options.

 

[LED Guy?]

MS reveales X as most powerful because full dev documentation about PS4Pro leaked after GDC. Same reason why Sony could slip "most powerful" back in 2013.

Whatever Github says, its no way near as clear cut as either case when full specs leaked from official devkit documentation. Personally, I think they are flaunting sony.

If that's the case then does that mean that the GitHub leak is irrelevant and not really the full context as we see it?

Microsoft and Sony know what each other's console is, even if a development kit is revealed to the other or not, it is just as simple as one of 3rd party developers tells Microsoft what Sony has or vice-versa.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Here's a grip of reality based on FACTS since you seem to love it so much:

• I own an XBOX ONE, it's the machine where I play the most due to gamepass and also because I can't stand the noise of my PS4 in some games (RDR2 i.e)
• These so called pseudo insiders - like you love to call them - have not been wrong many times in the last few years and they've been consistently been proven right in the last few months
• The github leak is real but it misses CONTEXT aka plans change in 2017-2018
• I already said here that I will buy XSX if the difference between it and PS5 is HUGE
• I already said here I have preference for PLAYSTATION consoles because:

1. PSX was my favorite childhood console
2. I live in PLAYSTATION and NINTENDO land AKA Europe
3. XBOX support/marketing/promotions here in my country are GARBAGE and it will continue to be for many years because MS doesn't give a fuck about it
4. I prefer SONY exclusives because they're BETTER - I know I know, everyone has their opinion

Now that you got yourself a nice dose of reality, maybe you can stop going full fanboy and start being less annoying. Have a good day.

I don't remember seeing 1 single ad for xbox, it's pretty much comparable to OUYA. But should admit that the only console seller for Xbox is Forza. Lose that title/studio and you'll sell half of what they've sold globally.

Not to mention we're kinda of used to PS controllers as we grew, it seems to grow with us as well.

 

[Neo Blaster]

Nope.
You need just to turn the PS4 on... after that you hit PS button and voila magic.

Unless it's already paired to another PS4, then you'll need the USB cable to resync it to the console you want to use.

 

[saintjules]

Tuesday is gonna be a great day it seems:

NIS America teases announcements for March 3 and 5

NIS America will make two announcements next week—on March 3 and March 5, respectively—the company said in an e-mail sent to press.

www.gematsu.com

 

[PaNaMa]

Great, now i know how to pair a PS4 controller. Say, do we have a thread about next gen console talk?

 

[Darklor01]

If that's the case then does that mean that the GitHub leak is irrelevant and not really the full context as we see it?

Microsoft and Sony know what each other's console is, even if a development kit is revealed to the other or not, it is just as simple as one of 3rd party developers tells Microsoft what Sony has or vice-versa.

I believe there are laws that protect against that sort of thing. That's A) Unethical B) Corporate espionage, and probably more. Sure, it can be done, but the penalties if caught for those involved are pretty damn high.

 

[ethomaz]

okay, let's make this super easy and so you can't purposefully misunderstand what I am saying OK?

I want the PS5 to be in a state where, if I choose to turn it on, it cold boots the system. and in that state it should still charge my controllers if I plugged them in to the system.
all my other consoles (except the PS3...) do this, and the PS4 (and PS3) is the only system that doesn't.

it is also the only System where I can't just hit a sync button to sync controllers... the only one in more than a decade (except the PS3)

So you want a device that is powered off but it is powered on?
There is two states:

On: your device is using energy
Off: your device is not using energy

PS4 has two states with two sub-states for On:
- Off: PS4 is off.
- On Stand By: PS4 is on and can do background tasks and even charger USB devices.
- On Full On: PS4 is fully running for everything even play games.

Xbox One has only the On state with three sub-state:
- On Stand By: console is on waiting a boot and can charge USB.
- On Instant On: console is on for background tasks and all.
- On Fully On: XB1 can play games and do everything else.

You want PS4 to add another power state? That is what understood.
But that is definitively no Off.

On Stand By (rest mode) for PS4 works similar to On Stand By or On Instant On on XB1.
You are not using the XB1 off if it is changing your constoller.

 

[R600]

If that's the case then does that mean that the GitHub leak is irrelevant and not really the full context as we see it?

Microsoft and Sony know what each other's console is, even if a development kit is revealed to the other or not, it is just as simple as one of 3rd party developers tells Microsoft what Sony has or vice-versa.

No, its just means its not official doc from Sony or MS delivered with last dev kits. Thats why I think they are flaunting them.

 

[ethomaz]

Unless it's already paired to another PS4, then you'll need the USB cable to resync it to the console you want to use.

Nope.... you don't need cable at all.
Even for a new controller.... you can sync/pair without cable.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

In the Xbox 360/PS3 era, Xbox would have way more sales in the US. They were the monthly leader for more than 30 months in a row. In the UK they were also bigger than Playstation I think. After their amazingly bad "tv tv tv, kinect, crappy DRM, fuck customers, $500" presentation, together with PS4 being more powerful they had a lot of bad press, and a lot more gamers switching to Playstation (coming from X360). Hence Sony's sales were so good, and Microsoft's sales went down by 40%.

I don't think Xbox well be as bad as current gen, but we should expect more to buy both with current lifestyle. We used to enjoy a lot of 1v1 or 2v2 or 4-free-for-all games back then, now with better internet we prefer online for that kinda of joy.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Nope.... you don't need cable at all.
Even for a new controller.... you can sync/pair without cable.

The only way to sync without a cable is to select the device in the ps4 settings

Which you need another controller to do

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

exactly, and as I said I use multiple controllers (for multiplayer) on multiple PS4 systems and want an easy way to connect the damn things...
but as of now I always basically need a USB cable near or plugged in to my PS4s in order to connect the controllers.
when every other system on the damn market for at least a decade now has simply a sync button on the system.

Such an oddly specific situation. Why don't you have a charger on your PS4? Are you using the USBs for something else and why are you shuffling controllers around to different consoles and not just keeping controllers on the same console

 

[01011001]

So you want a device that is powered off but it is powered on?
There is two states:

On: your device is using energy
Off: your device is not using energy

PS4 has two states with two sub-states for On:
- Off: PS4 is off.
- On Stand By: PS4 is on and can do background tasks and even charger USB devices.
- On Full On: PS4 is fully running for everything even play games.

Xbox One has only the On state with three sub-state:
- On Stand By: console is on waiting a boot and can charge USB.
- On Instant On: console is on for background tasks and all.
- On Fully On: XB1 can play games and do everything else.

You want PS4 to add another power state? That is what understood.
But that is definitively no Off.

On Stand By (rest mode) for PS4 works similar to On Stand By or On Instant On on XB1.

the Xbox One on Power Saver = 1 watts
the PS4 "turned off" = 0.5 watts

that difference is tiny, all I want is, as I said, a mode that cold boots the system when turned on and that also charges controllers... it's that easy.
and it seems the difference between one that doesn't do that and one that does is 0.5 watts

of course it will draw more power once you actually charge a controller but just being in a state where it can do that seems to not drastically up the power usage.

Such an oddly specific situation. Why don't you have a charger on your PS4? Are you using the USBs for something else and why are you shuffling controllers around to different consoles and not just keeping controllers on the same console

because see above