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[48086]

Wow thank you for repeating back to me exactly what I just said.

Ok...so what's your point? If advertisers will pay more to target a specific group of users than why wouldn't the database of users be worth a lot to MOBA lol?

For example, let's say MOBA is looking at two different sites to purchase with the purpose of generating ad based revenue. Video Game Site A with 300,000 monthly pageviews from anonymous users and Video Game Site B with 300,000 monthly pageviews plus a database of 50,000 primary email addresses. Considering how advertisers will pay more to serve ads to users who are tracked with cookies based on their hashed email address....why would MOBA not go with Site B?

Do you understand now?

 

[Solidsnake_1]

someone should go on REE and ask if cerium has woken up from his hibernation yet

 

[Omnipunctual Godot]

someone should go on REE and ask if cerium has woken up from his hibernation yet

I hear if he sees his shadow winter will be longer this year

 

[10101]

What an idiot. That thread isnt a normal thread that moves up when people respond. It's stickied. It'll be there unless admin unstickies it and it goes away.

I noticed this one too, how stupid can you be...oh wait it's Nep!

Not only, that but even if in her mind she was right...she also bumped the thread

Seems to be winding down a bit, I did enjoy the guy trolling the user angry at Nep by telling him not to ask questions, then when he replied said "thank you for your understanding. Maybe ask for a tag instead next time." master trolling and it went under the radar lol.

 

[Maiden Voyage]

Veelk isn't Cerium's alt, he's just an idiot who types way too much. Go find any of his posts about DC movies, he basically writes novels about why he hates them and just can't let shit go. He's probably writing his umpteenth "Why I hate Man of Steel" thread as we speak. He was the same way here before Era existed.

Fair enough.

 

[Great Hair]

But they're so cute.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder .. they say. NOPE

 

[clem84]

I blame idiots like this...thing:

She forgot transphobic... Damn bigot.

 

[GeorgPrime]

Resetera mods be like:

We need this video from the Adolf Hitler movie and put some resetera subtitles in there lol

 

[DeepEnigma]

I blame idiots like this...thing:

NPD grifter.

 

[ManaByte]

Let's see what's on Youtube....



Ive timestamped this one.

Some of these are brutal. Makes me feel better that others see them as mentally deranged wackos.

 

[Star-Lord]

I hear if he sees his shadow winter will be longer this year

 

[MaulerX]

I noticed this one too, how stupid can you be...oh wait it's Nep!

Not only, that but even if in her mind she was right...she also bumped the thread

Seems to be winding down a bit, I did enjoy the guy trolling the user angry at Nep by telling him not to ask questions, then when he replied said "thank you for your understanding. Maybe ask for a tag instead next time." master trolling and it went under the radar lol.

Yep. Nep bumped it herself to tell someone not to bump it.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[funking giblet]

In the old reeeera thread, I remember someone had done some analysis (website scraping maybe) and came up with the data that showed a very small percent of users made a vast majority of the posts. Kind of like the 80 20 rule but greater.

That's actually not true at all (the user database being worth a small amount). Ad companies are gearing up for the cookieless future, and one way they are pivoting is to serve ads directly to users based on their email address. These are hashed email addresses but they are used as cookies across sites that advertisers can track. The fact that era requires real (or paid or whatever the term is) email addresses for members is actually worth quite a lot to advertisers.

I see what you mean by hashed emails, but even that is going away. More and more data is being either encrypted with a one time pad per datapoint, or just hashed with a salt. Currently, you will see "anonymised", or internal identifiers being passed to third party processors, but any tying together of disparate accounts will be cracked down upon too. More and more, they just want the content itself for analysis, as it can be decrypted on a device and analysed with trained models for a particular campaign etc. They can even slap an "end-to-end encrypted" label on it, as your device is the thing doing the processing for them, indirectly.

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

All a bunch of overgrown kids who need to grow up imo

 

[IntentionalPun]

Ok...so what's your point? If advertisers will pay more to target a specific group of users than why wouldn't the database of users be worth a lot to MOBA lol?

For example, let's say MOBA is looking at two different sites to purchase with the purpose of generating ad based revenue. Video Game Site A with 300,000 monthly pageviews from anonymous users and Video Game Site B with 300,000 monthly pageviews plus a database of 50,000 primary email addresses. Considering how advertisers will pay more to serve ads to users who are tracked with cookies based on their hashed email address....why would MOBA not go with Site B?

Do you understand now?

Look, not trying to be snarky./... apologize if I was... but the convo at resetera is based on people thinking the user DB is something that will be 'sold off', as if that precious information is somehow going to be siphoned off to others now that MOBA owns the site.

There is value in having a userbase; hell forums are entirely based on that as the users generate the content (as opposed to say, a Kotaku, where the comments under articles are not a significant portion of why anyone sees an ad on the site.) But the DB itself is not some shoppable item; and honestly having a "primary" email address isn't all that relevant to advertising. I dont use my work email address anywhere on the web.. hardly anyone does... everyone on the planet uses gmail or some derivative (exaggerating, but it's a massive percentage.) That's because they aren't permenant. So for ad tracking purposes, my work email I dont use anywhere else, including my credit card, on other sites where they'd want to track my behavior, etc. is not some extra value. In the eyes of the ad trackers, I become actually MORE anonymous using an email like that.

Anyways covno is more in context of resetera freaking out over that DB being sold off; if ad services are expecting web sites to supply a hash of your email address for instance, why would anyone think Cerium wouldn't do that? Very few won't if that is what is expected in the future.

TLDR: No matter what "Value" there is in the user DB, there's no reason to think MOBA will handle the information "worse" than Cerium and co did/were going to.. hell.. if anything, they'd likely have better / more professional handling of the data.

 

[Rest]

Also, if M.O.B.A want to be associated with a group of known sex offenders and pedophiles, then that’s their call — I just hope sales drop to reflect that choice.

What the fuck are you even talking bout?

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Yep. Nep bumped it herself to tell someone not to bump it.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

But if she didn't, how would people know she's a mod?

 

[Star-Lord]

What the fuck are you even talking bout?

I mean, talk about a late reply. But basically, this:

Resetera and the pedo problem (updates)

Resetera is trying hard to get the screencaps down. Here's an archive with everything until then : https://archive.fo/pfZIj Archive with every screen captures being taken down : https://archive.fo/U9g7Z ---------------------------------------------------- New development : Edit 1 : Here the...

www.neogaf.com

 

[Kamina]

Veelk isn't Cerium's alt, he's just an idiot who types way too much. Go find any of his posts about DC movies, he basically writes novels about why he hates them and just can't let shit go. He's probably writing his umpteenth "Why I hate Man of Steel" thread as we speak. He was the same way here before Era existed.



80% of Era's posts are made by excelsiorlef.

100% of era posts are made by incels

 

[Rest]

I mean, talk about a late reply. But basically, this:

Resetera and the pedo problem (updates)

Resetera is trying hard to get the screencaps down. Here's an archive with everything until then : https://archive.fo/pfZIj Archive with every screen captures being taken down : https://archive.fo/U9g7Z ---------------------------------------------------- New development : Edit 1 : Here the...

www.neogaf.com

I remember that thread. There was nothing in it.

 

[48086]

Look, not trying to be snarky./... apologize if I was... but the convo at resetera is based on people thinking the user DB is something that will be 'sold off', as if that precious information is somehow going to be siphoned off to others now that MOBA owns the site.

There is value in having a userbase; hell forums are entirely based on that as the users generate the content (as opposed to say, a Kotaku, where the comments under articles are not a significant portion of why anyone sees an ad on the site.) But the DB itself is not some shoppable item; and honestly having a "primary" email address isn't all that relevant to advertising. I dont use my work email address anywhere on the web.. hardly anyone does... everyone on the planet uses gmail or some derivative (exaggerating, but it's a massive percentage.) That's because they aren't permenant. So for ad tracking purposes, my work email I dont use anywhere else, including my credit card, on other sites where they'd want to track my behavior, etc. is not some extra value. In the eyes of the ad trackers, I become actually MORE anonymous using an email like that.

Anyways covno is more in context of resetera freaking out over that DB being sold off; if ad services are expecting web sites to supply a hash of your email address for instance, why would anyone think Cerium wouldn't do that? Very few won't if that is what is expected in the future.

TLDR: No matter what "Value" there is in the user DB, there's no reason to think MOBA will handle the information "worse" than Cerium and co did/were going to.. hell.. if anything, they'd likely have better / more professional handling of the data.

The bolded text is a good point, but it's relatively anecdotal. I mean, it's logical to come to that conclusion but without seeing the data I can't say you're absolutely correct.

That's right, the actual database of user info won't be sold and handed over to a third party but advertisers will have access to hashed versions of the user email addresses if MOBA goes that route. So, if a user uses the same email address on era and any other sites opted in to a specific advertisers platform, they can be tracked. Obviously that would/could have been done under Cerium but I never said it wouldn't or couldn't be. My initial post was in response to the era poster saying the user database wasn't valuable which just isn't true. Whoever owns era will most likely be able to earn more ad revenue by providing ad networks hashed email accounts as opposed to simply generating ad revenue based on traffic.

I see what you mean by hashed emails, but even that is going away. More and more data is being either encrypted with a one time pad per datapoint, or just hashed with a salt. Currently, you will see "anonymised", or internal identifiers being passed to third party processors, but any tying together of disparate accounts will be cracked down upon too. More and more, they just want the content itself for analysis, as it can be decrypted on a device and analysed with trained models for a particular campaign etc. They can even slap an "end-to-end encrypted" label on it, as your device is the thing doing the processing for them, indirectly.

Not in the advertising world. it's actually a newer technology that's an alternative way to track people that will take over after the death of the third party cookie.

 

[Star-Lord]

I remember that thread. There was nothing in it.

You’re right. There’s nothing in it, except for the dozens of screenshots that were posted. Are you denying there’s a problem then?

 

[captainraincoat]

Haven’t seen era’s online count go past 4000 yet. What are the other 46 000 users up to?

The user count takes into account banned users as well….the active users actually didn’t grow for 3 years (based on when the banbot was grabbing that data) but last time I looked it was nudging on 25k banned users and that was only 12 months ago

the banned users didn’t log perma bans and many of the bans were just temp ones but that doesn’t make it any better that you have banned almost half your userbase at some point

it’s basically the same trash sitting around shrieking to each other

 

[funking giblet]

The bolded text is a good point, but it's relatively anecdotal. I mean, it's logical to come to that conclusion but without seeing the data I can't say you're absolutely correct.

That's right, the actual database of user info won't be sold and handed over to a third party but advertisers will have access to hashed versions of the user email addresses if MOBA goes that route. So, if a user uses the same email address on era and any other sites opted in to a specific advertisers platform, they can be tracked. Obviously that would/could have been done under Cerium but I never said it wouldn't or couldn't be. My initial post was in response to the era poster saying the user database wasn't valuable which just isn't true. Whoever owns era will most likely be able to earn more ad revenue by providing ad networks hashed email accounts as opposed to simply generating ad revenue based on traffic.



Not in the advertising world. it's actually a newer technology that's an alternative way to track people that will take over after the death of the third party cookie.

What if I told you, that you can create a rainbow-esque table for hashes that resolve to ******@gmail.com (This actually doesn't affect ResetEra ironically!). I'm well aware of companies that just want hashed emails etc, but someone in those companies has already copped to the fact that it isn't secure. Hell, a lot of them can even reveal your picture...

 

[48086]

What if I told you, that you can create a rainbow-esque table for hashes that resolve to ******@gmail.com (This actually doesn't affect ResetEra ironically!). I'm well aware of companies that just want hashed emails etc, but someone in those companies has already copped to the fact that it isn't secure. Hell, a lot of them can even reveal your picture...

Ok, what's your point? I work in the ad industry and what I'm saying isn't a big secret lol. I'm not making some theoretical statements.

 

[nush]

We need this video from the Adolf Hitler movie and put some resetera subtitles in there lol

I can make one, they take longer than you think to make though.

 

[funking giblet]

Ok, what's your point? I work in the ad industry and what I'm saying isn't a big secret lol. I'm not making some theoretical statements.

I'm not arguing with you, I work in large CPG ad networks. Hashed emails are on their way out too because they are insecure.

 

[Rest]

You’re right. There’s nothing in it, except for the dozens of screenshots that were posted. Are you denying there’s a problem then?

I read many pages of that thread, the only screenshots I saw were incredibly vague and could not be considered evidence of pedophilia. When I asked, in that thread, where the smoking gun was, no one could provide one.

So, yeah, if a link to a thread that has nothing in it is what you say is "evidence" of a pedophilia "problem" among a group of people you don't like, I am saying that there is no such problem, and you're just a dick making projections.

 

[Star-Lord]

I read many pages of that thread, the only screenshots I saw were incredibly vague and could not be considered evidence of pedophilia. When I asked, in that thread, where the smoking gun was, no one could provide one.

So, yeah, if a link to a thread that has nothing in it is what you say is "evidence" of a pedophilia "problem" among a group of people you don't like, I am saying that there is no such problem, and you're just a dick making projections.

 

[jufonuk]

I read many pages of that thread, the only screenshots I saw were incredibly vague and could not be considered evidence of pedophilia. When I asked, in that thread, where the smoking gun was, no one could provide one.

So, yeah, if a link to a thread that has nothing in it is what you say is "evidence" of a pedophilia "problem" among a group of people you don't like, I am saying that there is no such problem, and you're just a dick making projections.

 

[Maiden Voyage]

The guy wants someone to post actual CP for him to view and assess. Either he's FBI or one of Cerium's alts.

 

[nush]

I read many pages of that thread, the only screenshots I saw were incredibly vague and could not be considered evidence of pedophilia. When I asked, in that thread, where the smoking gun was, no one could provide one.

So, yeah, if a link to a thread that has nothing in it is what you say is "evidence" of a pedophilia "problem" among a group of people you don't like, I am saying that there is no such problem, and you're just a dick making projections.

Me reading this comment..

Do you want to get all of your other excuses out the way now or just wait for the caps? Your choice.

 

[Aenima]

Heee Hee Charmone.

Now i want to go on my purple asylum profile, change my avatar to a Michael Jackson pic and set up my pronoum as He/He

 

[Xaero Gravity]

Excuse me, but this is outdated. Please use the proper one in order to pay respect to an innocent bystander

 

[nush]

 

[jufonuk]

this is satire, this is a comedy show,

Brass Eye - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

can you tell the difference between this and the thread above

 

[Rest]

Can you provide a link?

 

[Maiden Voyage]

Can you provide a link?

 

[jufonuk]

Can you provide a link?

a link to what?
no, I won't because this was years ago. that particular thread.

nor will I go looking for one.
it is not up to me to provide you with proof.

you called a poster here a dick and then seemed to dismiss the thread shown, but you want more proof?

 

[Shadax the wizard]

Perzeval will be banned for sure, or?

 

[Rest]

a link to what?
no, I won't because this was years ago. that particular thread.

nor will I go looking for one.
it is not up to me to provide you with proof.

you called a poster here a dick and then seemed to dismiss the thread shown, but you want more proof?

Yeah. That thread had nothing in it. The posters in that thread when it was open could not provide proof that what they were talking about was real.

The pattern continues.

 

[Decontamination Silo]

You guys think MOBA will be savvy enough to NOT switch to open registration with freemail?

 

[Shadax the wizard]

You guys think MOBA will be savvy enough to NOT switch to open registration with freemail?

They will. And it will be glorious.

 

[jufonuk]

Yeah. That thread had nothing in it. The posters in that thread when it was open could not provide proof that what they were talking about was real.

The pattern continues.

You are a Reefugee?

 

[Kagey K]

It pisses me off so bad that she uses that for her tag. One of my fav songs from one of my fav punk bands.

We all know punk is synonymous with white trash crackery.

 

[Roger Rabbit]

I'm about half way through the resetera thread on this, and there are still posts asking if the money Cerium made is going to be given to causes supported by the community.

Get real, people. If you were freezing to death, Cerium would lease you the steam off his piss and then claim it back as a tax deductible.

 

[Rest]

You are a Reefugee?

No, but you seem to be an idiot.

 

[Decontamination Silo]

They will. And it will be glorious.

Who can make the most egregious passing joke account I wonder.

 

[jufonuk]

No, but you seem to be an idiot.

 

[nush]

Yeah. That thread had nothing in it. The posters in that thread when it was open could not provide proof that what they were talking about was real.

The pattern continues.

Sorry, just getting that link you reqested.

Resetera and the pedo problem (updates)

We want people who are guilty to be held accountable, but that isn't at the cost of lowering ourselves to "by any means necessary". “That it is better 100 guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer, is a Maxim that has been long and generally approved.” – Benjamin...

www.neogaf.com

I'll save you all the click.

and then within hours of this getting posted resetera deleted his account and posts...