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[yazenov]

So Elemental actually does look like a flop. Meanwhile The Little Mermaid managed to pull another $11m in its 4th weekend with lots of competition. Should hit the half a billion mark by the time it ends.

Its not a megahit but no way in hell is it a flop...and considering how many people actively boycotted it and wanted it to fail...it's done well enough. You know why? Cuz it's a decent enough film.

TLM needs 700 Million to break even according to estimates. People were comparing it to Aladdin and were hoping it reaches a billion despite the inflation and rising costs. It's a flop.

The interest in that movie internationally has been abysmal. I don't think people were boycotting this movie because of anything other than the reviews being mid, and word of mouth was bad for this movie.

At $250 million budget, If you were to take this at a 3x multiplier then it needs to make probably somewhere between $625 and $750 million to break even.

Box Office Analyst Predicts 'The Little Mermaid' "Will End Up Being A Box Office Flop," Could Lose $50 to $100 Million

Box office analyst and YouTuber OMB Reviews shared his analysis of the box office receipts for this past Memorial Day weekend and predicted that The Walt Disney Company's latest release, The Little Mermaid, "will end up being a box office flop."

boundingintocomics.com

 

[MayauMiao]

Another Disney flop.

Well now the media has a problem.

How they are going to blame racism for the box office failure?

 

[Days like these...]

Took my children to watch it, it was serviceable. I didn't find it to be heavy handed in its messaging. It was more about following your dreams than anything. It wasn't "woke" imo if you all are wondering.

 

[TransTrender]

Another Disney flop.

Being a flop may very well be true, but I still don't know what to expect in this post COVID world revenue wise, and how Disney values streaming hours.
I'm here to see Disney fail but I don't know what to expect anymore.

 

[AJUMP23]

Well now the media has a problem.

How they are going to blame racism for the box office failure?

The movie is about different races coming together and people don't like that because they are racist.

 

[TransTrender]

The movie is about different races coming together and people don't like that because they are racist.

Check!
Mate!

 

[Konnor]

So Elemental actually does look like a flop. Meanwhile The Little Mermaid managed to pull another $11m in its 4th weekend with lots of competition. Should hit the half a billion mark by the time it ends.

Its not a megahit but no way in hell is it a flop...and considering how many people actively boycotted it and wanted it to fail...it's done well enough. You know why? Cuz it's a decent enough film.

Little Mermaid needs 600M+ to break even, it's a huge flop

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

TLM needs 700 Million to break even according to estimates. People were comparing it to Aladdin and were hoping it reaches a billion despite the inflation and rising costs. It's a flop.

The interest in that movie internationally has been abysmal. I don't think people were boycotting this movie because of anything other than the reviews being mid, and word of mouth was bad for this movie.

At $250 million budget, If you were to take this at a 3x multiplier then it needs to make probably somewhere between $625 and $750 million to break even.

Box Office Analyst Predicts 'The Little Mermaid' "Will End Up Being A Box Office Flop," Could Lose $50 to $100 Million

Box office analyst and YouTuber OMB Reviews shared his analysis of the box office receipts for this past Memorial Day weekend and predicted that The Walt Disney Company's latest release, The Little Mermaid, "will end up being a box office flop."

boundingintocomics.com

According to wikipedia TLM have Budget
$250 million
Box office
$467.7 million

So it was a success?

 

[UnravelKatharsis]

According to wikipedia TLM have Budget
$250 million
Box office
$467.7 million

So it was a success?

That's production. Marketing usually doubles that and can easily go higher especially with things like super bowl ads.

 

[Kilau]

According to wikipedia TLM have Budget
$250 million
Box office
$467.7 million

So it was a success?

This article is still a good reference.

‘Little Mermaid’ Swimming Against Strong Tides At Overseas Box Office, Leaving Break-Even In Question

In a rare situation for a Disney tentpole, particularly a live action title based on a treasured animated classic, 'The Little Mermaid' may lose money.

deadline.com

All told, years from now it will probably end up profitable but hard to call it a success.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Meet Lake.... First No Binary character of Pixar.

SON OF A BITCH!!!!

DOESNT LISTEN DISNEY!!!!!

i wonder if they feel proud about it.

 

[yazenov]

That's production. Marketing usually doubles that and can easily go higher especially with things like super bowl ads.

Good point. Also Disney doesn't take 100% of the revenue from the ticket sales as the share will be split between the theaters. So 700 million to break even sound about right.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Took my children to watch it, it was serviceable. I didn't find it to be heavy handed in its messaging. It was more about following your dreams than anything. It wasn't "woke" imo if you all are wondering.

of course it wasn't woke when its message is to follow your dreams.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

But at least in movies and tv shows, there's often a plotline regarding trying to get the girl, or boyfriends and girlfriends pissing each other off, etc... So if the story involves romance in some way you got to know their sex orientation.

Maybe movies should propose something better than tired romantic tropes then? Oh wait, that would require the writers to actually be decent. Never mind then.

 

[Marvel14]

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[Marvel14]

Little Mermaid needs 600M+ to break even, it's a huge flop

Huge flops don't get put on top ten lists of highest grossing films of the year so far:

2023 in film - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

All told, years from now it will probably end up profitable but hard to call it a success.

"TLM needs 700 Million to break even according to estimates. "

A huge marketing budget doesn't determine whether a film is a flop or not. And we don't know what that is, nor how much streaming views will contribute to its final overall revenue. Key point is as Kilau says, overall its likely to be modestly profitable. So Not. A. Flop.

A flop is defined by the audience staying away with a weak opening weekend and it tanking within a couple of weeks. Not "did Disney make a huge profit on this film?".

Good thing Elemental came around to illustrate what a real flop looks like. A film still generating $11m per week domestically 4 weeks after release with several tent pole releases releasing after it ain't a flop.

 

[SJRB]

i wonder if they feel proud about it.

This probably has something to do with random movies seemingly out of nowhere announcing LGBTQ characters:

Representation and Inclusion Standards | Oscars.org | Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences

www.oscars.org

 

[Days like these...]

Meet Lake.... First No Binary character of Pixar.

SON OF A BITCH!!!!

DOESNT LISTEN DISNEY!!!!!

I don't remember lake presenting as non binary in the movie. I must have missed that part .

 

[FunkMiller]

Disney must be so delighted The Flash has been such a high profile flop. Taken a lot of the heat off them for this dismal performance.

 

[Ulysses 31]

We don't talk enough about Vanguard and Blackrock + ESG. Those fuckers are two of the main proponents for ESG, and in some ways, they hold power over other companies since they manage trillions in assets and advocate/PUSH for ESG. Almost every Government(mainly West) has dealings with Blackrock and use their Aladdin Hardware.

I've read that Blackrock uses it's Aladdin AI to make investments, such as buying up swathes of farmland, vacant homes and such.. This company worries the fuck out of me when ever I think about how much power it holds. If I didn't know how to block shit like this from my mind, I'd be up at night, more than not.

IMO, we have so many problems that pervade us and persist, but... I think a lot of it is distraction while bigger players are moving shit around, like big money and assets.
I don't claim to have the gist of the bigger picture, but while we deal with "our problems" I feel there are those with huge financial clout, that are getting one over on all of us, while this shitstorm of various problems, domestic and global; seemingly hit us from all sides.

The situation is indeed dire, I had no idea how bad this ESG nonsense was till I saw a video on it:

 

[CGNoire]

Looks pretty cute to me. I like the art and the theme.

The only thing that bothers me is the message of "who cares what family/friends say, just do whatever you want!" which is fine once in a while, but it seems to be the only thing Disney does nowadays it seems. From Moana to Coco, Wreck-it Ralph (2) and probably a couple more. I wish they'd encourage listening to others for advice some more. That's something kids need to be taught nowadays.

This.

Ive never had cable and took a visit in 2010 to spend christmas with my sister who had cable tv. While surfing at 2am I came across the Disney channel and a couple of its teen based shows and was shocked to find thaf they all had this underlying message of teaching kids to find ways to circumvent there parents will and the show even celebrated it afterward. I remember getting back home and immmeditely informed my brother with kids that this was happening and to never let them watch this trash.

 

[Ownage]

Formula: Anthropomorphize thing and have those things learn how their differences can be a strength
Zootopia - animals
Inside Out - emotions
Elemental - elements
Cars - cars
Planes - planes
Wreck-It-Ralph - video game characters

Next up:
Vanity - bathroom accessories
Vanity 2: 2 Vain - bathroom accessories meet home office supplies

Wreck-It Ralph should've been adult themed.

 

[SirTerry-T]

Where the fuck is Ralph Bakshi when we need him...as dodgy as some of his work was, at the very least he wanted to stir things up amongst all the vanilla, created by committee crap Disney churned (and continue) to churn up.

 

[Dirk Benedict]

The situation is indeed dire, I had no idea how bad this ESG nonsense was till I saw a video on it:

He doesn't mention merit, success, hard work... Fuck him and his woke agenda. That shit is negative at it's very core, ESG. The more I read about it the more I understand The trilateral relationship between Business, Political and Economical and how it's reshaping society, itself. I think, in the end, it's all about Control.

 

[Jinzo Prime]

Elemental opened to the lowest weekend for a Pixar movie since Toy Story. Yikes.

The linked article is also about The Flash and it's monumental box office collapse.

 

[Spyxos]

When I was watching Spiderman, the trailer of Elemental was shown. It seemed to be very well received in cinema.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Elemental opened to the lowest weekend for a Pixar movie since Toy Story. Yikes.

The linked article is also about The Flash and it's monumental box office collapse.

I'm surprised it's done that bad.

I'm not into Pixar movies (I've seen some when I go with my nieces and nephews), but from whats shown it looks bright, fun and a new IP. I would had thought parents and kids would eat it up.

 

[Trogdor1123]

I don't understand the dislike if elemental. It looks fine. Or is it just that it looks "fine" and that doesn't get people's attention anymore?

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I don't understand the dislike if elemental. It looks fine. Or is it just that it looks "fine" and that doesn't get people's attention anymore?

The article had a theory that with Disney doing straight to home movies during covid, it changed people's movie going experience - wait for home viewing.

 

[Nvzman]

I don't remember lake presenting as non binary in the movie. I must have missed that part .

The movie doesn't mention it at all. Not going to lie you would not even know if that picture wasn't posted.

 

[Trogdor1123]

The article had a theory that with Disney doing straight to home movies during covid, it changed people's movie going experience - wait for home viewing.

It's a fair point. We used to go to marvel movies but now we just wait for it to come to plus most of the time.

Besides top gun, I can't remember the last movie I was excited to see

 

[phaedrus]

Meet Lake.... First No Binary character of Pixar.

 

[Happosai]

Where the fuck is Ralph Bakshi when we need him...as dodgy as some of his work was, at the very least he wanted to stir things up amongst all the vanilla, created by committee crap Disney churned (and continue) to churn up.

Would you believe he's still around? He's old beyond ever wanting to animate again but he'll still read a few things which are sent to him now and then.

Bakshi addressed everything about 'diversity' in the most robust way from someone who lived in a multi-racial upbringing in Heavy Traffic, Coonskin and so on. I'm unsure if that's the message they're trying to push with Elemental and it's one children should learn from. But...haven't they already? And they really just tip-toed around the topic; whereas Bakshi threw it in everyone's faces. Sadly, we won't get great storytellers in animation anymore.

 

[ShadowNate]

It looks cute, but I've long passed the phase that I would watch such a Pixar movie (that you can tell the whole plot from the trailer). Most jokes (from the trailer) also didn't land with me.

 

[Jinzo Prime]

Damn, Peter Sohn directed this and The Good Dinosaur, I don't see him being allowed to direct another Pixar film in his life.

 

[SirTerry-T]

Would you believe he's still around? He's old beyond ever wanting to animate again but he'll still read a few things which are sent to him now and then.

Bakshi addressed everything about 'diversity' in the most robust way from someone who lived in a multi-racial upbringing in Heavy Traffic, Coonskin and so on. I'm unsure if that's the message they're trying to push with Elemental and it's one children should learn from. But...haven't they already? And they really just tip-toed around the topic; whereas Bakshi threw it in everyone's faces. Sadly, we won't get great storytellers in animation anymore.

Yep I have him on FB, he's continually posting great sketches and stuff from his movies. Still plenty of fire in his belly!

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

Budget	$200 million
Box office	$49.3 million

'Elemental' is Pixar's biggest box office failure

Elemental has only recently arrived in theaters, but has already been transformed into Pixar's biggest box office opening failure.. The new animated film has recorded the worst debut weekend in the studio's history, grossing just over $29.6 million in the U.S. and Canada between Friday, June 16...

necir.org

Elemental has only recently arrived in theaters, but has already been transformed into Pixar's biggest box office opening failure.. The new animated film has recorded the worst debut weekend in the studio's history, grossing just over $29.6 million in the U.S. and Canada between Friday, June 16 and Sunday, June 18, inclusive.

The story doesn't change much when counting international grosses. So far, Elemental has grossed about $16 million outside North America. However, it opened in only a handful of countries in Asia-Pacific and Latin America. In China, for example, it only generated $5.2 million during its opening, a minuscule figure for such an important market.

It is also a reality that the launch of Elemental has been marked by the disparity of dates between different regions of the world.. In Spain, for example, it will hit theaters on July 14, while in Japan it will be released on August 4.

The truth is that, although the reviews for Pixar's new film have not been bad, its initial commercial performance was far from what was expected. This does not mean that it cannot recover as it is released in more countries; but it is evident that its poor performance domestic – speaking of the United States and Canada, of course – is unlikely to be reversed.

According to Box Office Mojo, Elementary grossed $11.7 million on Friday, June 16. It fell to $9.8 million on Saturday, June 17, and $8.07 million on Sunday, June 18. However, the worst was seen after the opening weekend.. It is estimated that yesterday, Monday 19, the film only generated 3.83 million dollars in North American theaters; that is, a drop in box office of almost 50% compared to the previous day. And there is no indication that the figures will improve.

why guys?

 

[Toons]

So I watched the movie, and its not only way better than the trailers let off but its excellent. Its a shame the marketing flubbed this up so hard. Irs up to par with what I expect from this studio and the trailers show off none of what makes it good.

This.

Ive never had cable and took a visit in 2010 to spend christmas with my sister who had cable tv. While surfing at 2am I came across the Disney channel and a couple of its teen based shows and was shocked to find thaf they all had this underlying message of teaching kids to find ways to circumvent there parents will and the show even celebrated it afterward. I remember getting back home and immmeditely informed my brother with kids that this was happening and to never let them watch this trash.

This movie is the exact opposite of this. The main character deeply loves and respects her father(she's an immigrant kid and her father left his home to sort a better life for them) and her entire character arc revolves around making him proud, and she is able to do so by the end of it.

The film really isn't so much about races, its more about decided what direction your life is going to take and weighing that against the sacrifices of your parents and respecting their wishes.

 

[ADiTAR]

At $250 million budget, If you were to take this at a 3x multiplier then it needs to make probably somewhere between $625 and $750 million to break even.

Box Office Analyst Predicts 'The Little Mermaid' "Will End Up Being A Box Office Flop," Could Lose $50 to $100 Million

Box office analyst and YouTuber OMB Reviews shared his analysis of the box office receipts for this past Memorial Day weekend and predicted that The Walt Disney Company's latest release, The Little Mermaid, "will end up being a box office flop."

boundingintocomics.com

The budget has to be inflated, how is it so high? all involved are sorta nobodies. No one is cutting a huge paycheck on this from the actors, etc.

I don't get how the hell they are getting to these budgets, there's some huge mismanagement going on in this industry.

 

[Billbofet]

This movie is the exact opposite of this. The main character deeply loves and respects her father(she's an immigrant kid and her father left his home to sort a better life for them) and her entire character arc revolves around making him proud, and she is able to do so by the end of it.

The film really isn't so much about races, its more about decided what direction your life is going to take and weighing that against the sacrifices of your parents and respecting their wishes.

Your description sounds like the plot of Brave, Moana, Coco, Zootopia, Turning Red, Encanto.....
These movies all blend together and feel the same, at least to me.

 

[CGNoire]

So I watched the movie, and its not only way better than the trailers let off but its excellent. Its a shame the marketing flubbed this up so hard. Irs up to par with what I expect from this studio and the trailers show off none of what makes it good.



This movie is the exact opposite of this. The main character deeply loves and respects her father(she's an immigrant kid and her father left his home to sort a better life for them) and her entire character arc revolves around making him proud, and she is able to do so by the end of it.

The film really isn't so much about races, its more about decided what direction your life is going to take and weighing that against the sacrifices of your parents and respecting their wishes.

Good to hear.

I wasnt actually saying that I thought the film would be this way or not just saying that Disney has a long history of speaking to our kids behind our back.

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

Damn, Peter Sohn directed this and The Good Dinosaur, I don't see him being allowed to direct another Pixar film in his life.

Both are fail

 

[Toons]

Your description sounds like the plot of Brave, Moana, Coco, Zootopia, Turning Red, Encanto.....
These movies all blend together and feel the same, at least to me.

Brave has some similarities but there's no love story element.

Zootopia has no similarities with this film in any way, aside from different kinds of people.

Turning red is about puberty, the main in this is a young adult making essentially a career choice.

You'll find similarities in them but thats always been the case lol, going back to the original princess films, Moana and Ariel for example both long for uncharted territory against their fathers wishes but the way it plays out is different.

 

[Nydius]

Took my children to watch it, it was serviceable. I didn't find it to be heavy handed in its messaging. It was more about following your dreams than anything. It wasn't "woke" imo if you all are wondering.

That would be great... if that didn't describe every single Pixar movie since Cars. Maybe even earlier.

Pixar has, unfortunately, become a one trick pony, in terms of story. The plot and premise of all of their movies have become identical and the strength of their animation can't carry them anymore.

See also, this above post:

Your description sounds like the plot of Brave, Moana, Coco, Zootopia, Turning Red, Encanto.....
These movies all blend together and feel the same, at least to me.

Also add Ratatouille to the list.
Exact same plot.
Remy torn between following his dreams and respecting the wishes/wanting the respect of his father, Django, and brother, Emile.

 

[Alx]

Movie seems fine but yeah very « cookie cutter ». But that's how I feel about most Pixar movies except for WallE, Monsters Inc and Ratatouille. ( I'm not even a fan of Toy Story or Nemo)

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Looks like it bombed along with the flash.

 

[Fbh]

Not that I mind audiences finally growing tired of the same tropes and progressive messages.

But I wonder if the quick releases on Disney+ are hurting them too.
Seems like they are releasing most of their animated movies only 2 months after the theatre release.

If know of many parents who no longer bother taking their kids to the movies because they'll just watch it at home a couple of months later .
With the economy not doing great taking 2 kids + 2 adults to the movies can get quite expensive, and there's other activities which costs the same or less and will keep the kids entertained for longer

 

[Billbofet]

Not that I mind audiences finally growing tired of the same tropes and progressive messages.

But I wonder if the quick releases on Disney+ are hurting them too.
Seems like they are releasing most of their animated movies only 2 months after the theatre release.

If know of many parents who no longer bother taking their kids to the movies because they'll just watch it at home a couple of months later .
With the economy not doing great taking 2 kids + 2 adults to the movies can get quite expensive, and there's other activities which costs the same or less and will keep the kids entertained for longer

Taking my kids to the movies is one of my favorite things to do. For me, it is about value and not cost. Movies like Top Gun: Maverick or this year's Spiderverse are experiences I know my kids will grow up thinking back to, just like how I remember every minute of seeing Raiders of the Lost Ark or Tron.
These last several years of Pixar and Disney animation have become so rote, we just have not had a memorable theatrical experience like the above since probably Moana. Theses studios feel like the made-for-tv versions of themselves, and it has nothing to do with the agenda driven content. Outside of the animation the stories are stale and totally forgettable to me and my family.

 

[Days like these...]

I don't normally watch cartoons but I took my kids to see it so I have nothing to compare this too but it seemed ok. What exactly do people expect out of these?

 

[Dr. Samuel Hayden]

For every modern Disney failure, my power level increases.