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NFL 2017 Offseason thread |OT| - Servicing Us Boys
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And the commercials will be on YouTube before the game.
Elfforkusu
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Well, as per my policy of ignoring the playoffs the round after the Packers lose, yes, no need to watch the SB.
Hope the Falcons do it, but in the age of trump I think we know how this ends.
You disgust me. Thinking I would bringing shame upon myself like that. The goddamn Pats. You oughta be banned for saying some shit like that.
I dealt with losing to Eli when Tony & T.O. were on top of the world. It was hard as hell, but I dealt with it. Meanwhile you punks probably threw batteries at McNabb and Santa Claus.
We cheered McNabb when he came back to Philly and then kicked his ass. The Eagle way.
If you believe it you can achieve it! Something like that.
In all honesty if the Pats win I won't be surprised. Belichick made Matt Cassel look good and Jimmy Garoppolo a world beater.
sf2fanatic
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Officerrob
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Titans get Mariota some receivers and that team could be scary
AFCS should have its own OT. We truly are the best!
Im actually blown away by how far they got with what they had to work with, ZERO RBs, secondary 1st,2nd and 3rd stringers all hurt....O-line with multiple injuries.
Rodgers should be MVP based on the fact he carried a 4-6 team to the damn title game.
Himynameischris
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Considering the state of the AFC the dolphins really had a chance to make it deep into the playoffs if we hadn't suffered so many injuries to our defense and it's not so much that the Dolphins are a good team (they aren't on defense even without the injuries) but the AFC was that weak.
Dutch Gronk
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I'm ready to be serviced.
Not excited about the new head coach. I am excited about Mike McCoy returning as offensive coordinator ,though. The fact that Elway would let Wade Phillips go makes me wonder too.
Too many questions about this Broncos team leave me lost.
I doubt I will be around much this off season once again. Give me Spring and Summer and decent weather to ride my bike.
Too many questions about this Broncos team leave me lost.
I doubt I will be around much this off season once again. Give me Spring and Summer and decent weather to ride my bike.
FloydtheFathead
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DeaconKnowledge
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And a tight end. I'd be surprised if Green played in 2017.
Alligatorjandro
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We bout to do it
Dutch Gronk
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It's sad he's spreading his misinformation to othersApparently I'm friends with yankeehater?
So, after letting it sink in a bit I have kind of my big final Packers rant. In short, I kind of feel like the Packers need a culture change if they want to reach the Super Bowl again. The reason I feel there needs to be a culture change with the Packers is because there's just too much complacency. Everyone seems perfectly fine with winning the division and making a playoff run, only to run out of gas before reaching the Super Bowl. At the end of the season everyone pats the Packers on the back and says "Good season, you guys overcame a lot just to make it this far" and completely ignore that all of the obstacles the Packers overcame were of their own creation (especially this season in particular). This complacency is why we've stuck with Dom Capers as defensive coordinator way past his expiration date. There's no external pressure on this team and the end result is complacency and the potential squandering of Aaron Rodgers' prime.
I don't want to really jumpstart the #FireMcCarthy wagon again because I actually liked a lot of his coaching in the second half of the season. However, to borrow a line from McCarthy himself, we need to face some facts. McCarthy is not a big game coach. He's 1-3 in NFC Championship games for his career and he's 1-8-1 in games that go into overtime (his last OT win was in 2007, I believe). And he's had two hall of fame quarterbacks for his entire head coaching career and has only one Super Bowl appearance to show for it. The loss to Atlanta honestly isn't on McCarthy like the Seattle loss from 2014 was, but it's another instance of the Packers not showing up for a big game and I feel that is a reflection of coaching. The two people in the Packers' front office that I feel do need to go are Ted Thomspon and Dom Capers. The defense that showed up in Atlanta is mostly on Thompson's hands. Most of his defensive draft picks have not panned out in recent years and since Thompson pretty much shuns the free agent market that means our defense has no depth to it what so ever which results in us starting defensive backs so bad that they'd get scorched by college level offenses. And while I can't blame too much on Dom Capers this year because of all the injuries the defense sustained, Capers himself is simply past his expiration date as a defensive coordinator - even when healthy his defenses have not been good in recent years and his secondary strategies have been legitimately awful pretty much since their last Super Bowl appearance.
Thompson and Capers have to go, the Packers need a shake up and a kick in the ass.
I don't want to really jumpstart the #FireMcCarthy wagon again because I actually liked a lot of his coaching in the second half of the season. However, to borrow a line from McCarthy himself, we need to face some facts. McCarthy is not a big game coach. He's 1-3 in NFC Championship games for his career and he's 1-8-1 in games that go into overtime (his last OT win was in 2007, I believe). And he's had two hall of fame quarterbacks for his entire head coaching career and has only one Super Bowl appearance to show for it. The loss to Atlanta honestly isn't on McCarthy like the Seattle loss from 2014 was, but it's another instance of the Packers not showing up for a big game and I feel that is a reflection of coaching. The two people in the Packers' front office that I feel do need to go are Ted Thomspon and Dom Capers. The defense that showed up in Atlanta is mostly on Thompson's hands. Most of his defensive draft picks have not panned out in recent years and since Thompson pretty much shuns the free agent market that means our defense has no depth to it what so ever which results in us starting defensive backs so bad that they'd get scorched by college level offenses. And while I can't blame too much on Dom Capers this year because of all the injuries the defense sustained, Capers himself is simply past his expiration date as a defensive coordinator - even when healthy his defenses have not been good in recent years and his secondary strategies have been legitimately awful pretty much since their last Super Bowl appearance.
Thompson and Capers have to go, the Packers need a shake up and a kick in the ass.
DeaconKnowledge
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You're overrating the Packers if you think their failure is due to coaching.
The failure was due to injuries, having a college-tier defense, and literally every break going Atlanta's way. But part of that problem was due to the front-office giving our defense very few good players and having absolutely no depth.
Goro Majima
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This.
At some point you have to start wondering why we can't field a consistent defense and ask whose fault is that? Apparently we need fucking Charles Woodson level guys in the secondary to make it work.
Even at 100% health the Packers defense is not very good. They keep this up and they'll have a team like the Saints did a few years ago.
Yep. This year specifically I think you can peg on injuries, but in recent history even healthy Dom Capers defenses haven't been that good. Capers and Thompson need to go.
DeaconKnowledge
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So you're saying that Capers doesn't have the personnel needed to win on defense, but he needs to be fired anyway?
Packers aren't a Super Bowl caliber squad and haven't been for years. Problem is everyone has been blowing so much smoke up Rodgers ass that the team thinks its a contender just by fielding him, to the point that Pack fans blame McCarthy for trying to get some balance and daring to run he ball.
I agree with you that the defense has few good players, but it's not for lack of trying. Ted's defensive picks have yielded few superstars. Maybe he's cooked, but it takes time to build a defense up and the Packers have had the worst luck with injuries, age and players flat out losing their passion for the game.
Yes, I think he needs to go because the Packers defensive woes have existed since before the 2016 season started and have existed even when the team was healthy. The Packers are an easy Super Bowl contender if they even have an average defense.
Edit: Regarding McCarthy - I'm actually ok with him trying to do a balanced run/pass offense when he has the proper talent to do so. I just don't like some of the formations he chooses for his run plays because his run plays are so incredibly predictable. Plus there's actually some statistical evidence to support the idea that the offense did regress a bit when McCarthy tried to balance things more. But overall I'm not that upset with McCarthy specifically.
DeaconKnowledge
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The Packers have had bad personnel on defense for years. They've been skinny up front and aside from Matthews slow in the middle. That defense needs to be gutted, but is the FO willing to sacrifice the picks necessary to do that?
I don't think they are which is why I think the FO needs to be gutted a little bit. Thompson hasn't had a solid defensive pick since, what, maybe Matthews?
I'd honestly start a defensive revamp with trading Matthews and getting some picks for him or maybe a respectable cornerback.
Goro Majima
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So what you're saying is to just keep going because eventually the plan should work despite 6 years of evidence otherwise since 2010?
I just don't believe in the "draft and develop only" system anymore. New England, for as much as we bitch about their cheating, has been to 7 Super Bowls with Brady while picking in the high 20s like Green Bay does every single season. Their entire defense has turned over on several occasions and they still make it consistently...they never went 6 years without going to the Super Bowl like we have. Even Ben went to three games (Steelers have exactly one losing season since 1999).
At some point, Ted Thompson needs to take some chances on free agents because the Rodgers era won't last forever.
Okay now we're communicating...thought you meant the Packers should just do nothing and expect different results.
Yeah the defense needs to be blown up. Trade Matthews, sign some guys, get a new DC.
So this is the famous offseason thread that people have been asking
for since the playoffs started...
neat.
I will know proceed to read every post, and respond only 2 or 3 times over this thread's life.
begging
neat.
I will know proceed to read every post, and respond only 2 or 3 times over this thread's life.
Also thank y'all for making me get back into football, and go Eagles!
DeaconKnowledge
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I agree with you about Ted. He's made a lot of defensive picks since that Super Bowl and most have been average at best. Maybe it is time for him to move on.
Where I don't agree is Capers. Packers D has lacked talent for a long time but he has always kept them competitive. This season is a perfect example - that team had no place being in the title game.
Also doesn't help that the rest of the NFC North are frauds, losers, or constantly injured.
Patriots seem to make the most out of a shit division....
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