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NFL Week 4 - More Injuries!

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Wow, everyone's getting banged up, with rookies out for the year, two major hits that I've seen this Monday morning:

FB Jon Ritchie for the Eagles - IR, done for the year

QB Rich Gannon - at least 6 weeks witha cracked vertebrae, so far, not life threatening or altering
 

Miguel

Member
Crap, now Gruden has to look for another QB to go after this offseason. :\

Who was it that hit him, Brooks? :|



Texans are 1-0 vs Kerry Collins mwahhahhaa
 

Bowser

Member
So are we gonna use this as the Week 4 thread once the Monday Night game is finished? If so, I guess I'll post my predictions anyway:

WEEK 4

Sunday, Oct. 3

Cincinnati at Pittsburgh, 1:00 pm
Indianapolis at Jacksonville, 1:00 pm (*upset special*)
New England at Buffalo, 1:00 pm
N.Y. Giants at Green Bay, 1:00 pm
Oakland at Houston, 1:00 pm
Philadelphia at Chicago, 1:00 pm
Washington at Cleveland, 1:00 pm
Atlanta at Carolina, 4:05 pm
New Orleans at Arizona, 4:05 pm
Denver at Tampa Bay, 4:15 pm
N.Y. Jets at Miami, 4:15 pm
Tennessee at San Diego, 4:15 pm
St. Louis at San Francisco, 8:30 pm

Monday, Oct. 4

Kansas City at Baltimore, 9:00 pm

Open date: Dallas, Detroit, Minnesota, Seattle
 

Paradox

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Sunday, Oct. 3

Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
Indianapolis at Jacksonville
New England at Buffalo
N.Y. Giants at Green Bay
Oakland at Houston - Oakland is worse then KC, Houston should have no trouble
Philadelphia at Chicago - Poor poor Rex :/
Washington at Cleveland
Atlanta at Carolina
New Orleans at Arizona
Denver at Tampa Bay
N.Y. Jets at Miami
Tennessee at San Diego
St. Louis at San Francisco

Monday, Oct. 4

Kansas City at Baltimore

Open date: Dallas, Detroit, Minnesota, Seattle
 

Bowser

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Picking KC @ BAL? After giving up 152 to Q. Griff and 174 to D. Foster, I'm beginning to think Lewis will break that single game rushing record he set last season and rip the Chiefs for something like 320 yards.
 
Bowser said:
Picking KC @ BAL? After giving up 152 to Q. Griff and 174 to D. Foster, I'm beginning to think Lewis will break that single game rushing record he set last season and rip the Chiefs for something like 320 yards.

The Panthers, *cough*Delhomme*cough*, got lucky against us. And we lost Week 3 on a 105 yard INT return. We're due for a win.
 

Miguel

Member
KC's lack of defense = Lewis will go nuts.

And leave it to the worst defense in the league to shut down the Texans for the first few quarters...:lol
 
Jamal Lewis will get like 350 rushing yards. :lol Gannon's going to retire after this year, he's done...

MiG, talk all the trash you want, but David Carr will revert to his rookie year and get sacked at least 5 times this game. Your O-Line isn't ready for our 3-4 and our underrated LBs. You're not going to score much on the Raiders, and Kerry Collins was playing with the Giants. BFD, he has WR weapons now, all unknowns. You have maybe one wide out, we've got 5 who can catch and score. I know your die hard, but don't kid yourself, you barely beat the Chiefs.
 

Bowser

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Cerebral Palsy said:
The Panthers, *cough*Delhomme*cough*, got lucky against us. And we lost Week 3 on a 105 yard INT return. We're due for a win.

Yes, because Foster didn't run for a franchise-record 71 yard scamper and then gobbled up the last three yards for a TD. Because Delhomme didn't have two OTHER TDs, and certainly not one on a drive that lasted nearly 8 1/2 minutes. Because Chris Gamble, a ROOKIE cornerback, didn't intercept Trent Green.

Yeah, the Panthers sure did get lucky.
 

Miguel

Member
:lol Where did I talk trash?

Texans offense has been no where near as horrid as it was year 1 and 2...and we just got shut the fuck down by KC in the first half. A retarded move by Vermiel kept us in the game....

2 minute warning...4th and 2, KC runs the ball, rather than kick a FG.

Texans get the ball back after a 1 yard rush by Holmes. Texans pass on first I think, clock stopped, Texans run on 2nd down...time out...Chiefs?! @_@
I think they called another time out after a first down...what!?

Texans still have 3 time outs...they drive down the field...and kick a fg.
6 point turn around in the 2 minute warning. Those 6 points decided the game, and then some. Texans are much better when actually throwing, but Chris Palmer, the offensive coordinator, is very very conservative. He had no option with Davis out of the game, and had to pass. Results...Johnson with a 43 and 38 yard reception...Carr throws a 10ish yard TD pass to gaffney on a quick 3 step drop then lob into the endzone. Davis going down may have been a benefit this game...considering KC was owning his ass and swarming him. I don't know when his injury occured...or if he even HAD an injury. But anyway...oh, I guess you meant me talking trash about Kerry Collins. :p

We barely win ALL of our games Wasabi. Our only big win in history is 24-6 against the Steelers where the whole TEAM played badly, except Aaron Glenn. :lol

We had a net of 47 yards, and we gave up over 400 yards to the Steelers.
 

Paradox

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hahahha Raider fans are funny. You let one of the worst offenses in the league score 20 points on you last night(Can you even call TB's offense a offense? :lol ). Meaning the Texans will easily put up numbers on your ass.


And Im far from seeing as KC out of the playoff picture, I bet you they'll end up having a better record then Jacksonville(Indy will put them back in they're place this weekend) and other afc teams that are looking good now. I see them winning the next 3, and losing to Indy.

Edit: Btw im the first in line on being happy that KC is losing, Which means Denver will easily have the best record in the division. I just dont think they're that bad of a team to keep on losing.
 

Eminem

goddamit, Griese!
NFL Insider...Sep 27: Week 3 afterthoughts; Mel Kiper's Top 25 and Top 5 by position

Martz's moves continue to befuddle
Scouts, Inc.

Editor's note: Our scouts roll back the tape on the third weekend of the 2004 NFL season, breaking down the the Rams' woes, the Jags' stellar D and much more:

The crazy St. Louis Rams are at it again. Questionable coaching decisions by Mike Martz and a complete disregard for the running game were big factors in an embarrassing home loss to the Saints.

Martz elected to "squib" kick the kickoff after the Rams had taken a three-point lead with 28 seconds remaining in regulation. This came after Jeff Wilkins had put most of his kickoffs into the end zone during the game. It took the Saints only three plays to get into field goal range for veteran John Carney, who tied the game with a 38-yarder. The Rams could have kicked it deep and still avoided explosive returner Michael Lewis.

The Rams' game plan featured 49 passes and only 15 rushing plays, including a measly 12 handoffs to Marshall Faulk. All this passing was done behind a revamped offensive line that struggles in pass protection and gave up five sacks.

The Saints came into the game with one of the worst run defenses in the league after surrendering an average of 175 yards rushing in the first two weeks. The Rams rushed for only 78 yards, and 19 of those were on QB Marc Bulger's scramble for the go-ahead touchdown late in the fourth quarter.

The Rams are a talented team that has no flow or rhythm, and they are in danger of letting the Seahawks run away with the division.


Defense carrying Jags

The Jaguars' early season success is a direct result of the play by their interior defense. It all starts with DTs Marcus Stroud and John Henderson. They are controlling the line of scrimmage, as well as collapsing the pocket and harassing the quarterback.
When the Jags switch to two-gap, read-and-react schemes, Stroud and Henderson "occupy" multiple blockers and allow the linebackers to flow to the ball and make plays. Overall, the Jags' D is doing an excellent job of forcing opponents to run wide.


Afterthoughts

--Despite an 0-3 record, the Cardinals are playing hard under Dennis Green, especially on defense, where they have been very creative in their schemes. They did an excellent job against Falcons QB Michael Vick by utilizing five defensive linemen. However, instead of rushing all five, they used a "spy" technique and played contain. They also changed up their coverage schemes by playing aggressive man-to-man, instead of their usual soft cover-2 look.

--Nobody is better at exploiting a team's defensive weakness than Peyton Manning. The Packers' banged up secondary is not a good matchup group, and versus the Colts they stayed in their nickel package for the majority of the game. The Packers were trying to get the Colts to abandon the pass and run the ball, but Manning did not "bite" and kept throwing it.

The Packers were unable to generate much of a pass rush as the Colts threw 22 passes in a row to start the game before finally running the ball for the first time in the second quarter. Manning's 393 yards and five touchdowns were a thing of beauty to watch.

--The Eagles' coaches were legitimately worried about a short work week and a road game versus a young and talented Lions team. However, the Eagles came out quickly, scoring 21 points and letting the Lions know they were in over their heads in this game. It was a very professional approach by a good football team.

--The same can be said for the Seahawks, who took care of business early against the 49ers and avoided any kind of a letdown. Good teams win all the games they are supposed to win.


Top 5 by position: Several positions shuffled
By Mel Kiper Jr.

TOP FIVE DRAFT-ELIGIBLE PROSPECTS AT EACH POSITION | Sept. 22

OFFENSE

Quarterback
1. Charlie Frye, Akron
2. Kyle Orton, Purdue
3. Dan Orlovsky, Connecticut
4. Andrew Walter, Arizona State
5. Jason White, Oklahoma



Running Back
3. Ronnie Brown, Auburn
2. Cedric Benson, Texas
1. Carnell Williams, Auburn
4. Kay-Jay Harris, West Virginia
5. Walter Reyes, Syracuse



Fullbacks
1. Paul Jefferson, Penn State
2. Branden Joe, Ohio State
3. Keith Joseph, Texas A&M
4. Will Matthews, Texas
5. Issa Banna, Northwestern St. (La.)


Wide receiver
1. Mike Williams, USC
2. Mark Clayton, Oklahoma
3. Charles Frederick, Washington
4. Braylon Edwards, Michigan
5. Craphonso Thorpe, Florida State


Tight End
2. Alex Smith, Stanford
2. Kevin Everett, Miami
3. Garrett Cross, California
4. Victor Sesay, Missouri
5. Adam Bergen, Lehigh



Tackle
1. Alex Barron, Florida State
2. Logan Mankins, Fresno State
3. Jammal Brown, Oklahoma
4. Wesley Britt, Alabama
5. Khalif Barnes, Washington
5a. Trai Essex, Northwestern


Guard
1. Elton Brown, Virginia
2. C.J. Brooks, Maryland
3. Chris Kemoeatu, Utah
4. David Baas, Michigan
5. Marcus Johnson, Ole Miss


Center
1. Ben Wilkerson, LSU
2. Vince Carter, Oklahoma
3. Scott Mruczkowski, Bowling Green
4. Junius Coston, North Carolina A&T
5. Drew Hodgdon, Arizona State (3)


Kickers
1. Mike Nugent, Ohio State
2. Rhys Lloyd, Minnesota
3. Nick Novak, Maryland
4. Matt Payne, BYU
5. Dave Rayner, Michigan State



DEFENSE

Defensive end
1. David Pollack, Georgia
2. Chris Canty, Virginia
3. Erasmus James, Wisconsin
4. Dan Cody, Oklahoma
5. Marcus Spears, LSU
5a. George Gause, South Carolina


Tackle
1. Anttaj Hawthorne, Wisconsin
2. Jonathan Babineaux, Iowa
3. Shaun Cody, USC
4. Dusty Dvoracek, Oklahoma
5. Mike Patterson, USC
5a. Travis Johnson, Florida State


Inside linebacker
1. Lance Mitchell, Oklahoma
2. Barrett Ruud, Nebraska
3. Robert McCune, Louisville
4. Kirk Morrison, San Diego State
5. Martin Patterson, TCU



Outside linebacker
1. Derrick Johnson, Texas
2. Kevin Burnett, Tennessee
3. Marcus Lawrence, South Carolina
4. Derek Curry, Notre Dame
5. Jared Newberry, Stanford


Cornerback
1. Antrel Rolle, Miami
2. Corey Webster, LSU
3. Marlin Jackson, Michigan
4. Darrent Williams, Oklahoma State
5. Travis Daniels, LSU
5a. Bryant McFadden, Florida State


Safety
1. James Butler, Georgia Tech
2. Oshiomogho Atogwe, Stanford
3. Donte Nicholson, Oklahoma
4. Vincent Fuller, Virginia Tech
5. Marviel Underwood, San Diego State



Punters
1. Dustin Colquitt, Tennessee
2. Gary Cook, UNLV
3. Cole Farden, Oklahoma State
4. Bryce Benekos, UTEP
5. Adam Anderson, Western Michigan

there's more too, but it's all about the college players
 

effzee

Member
philly has another trap game of sorts ahead....hope they take care of business no matter who is under center. kearse should have a field day.
 

Eminem

goddamit, Griese!
no grossman, no tillman, no brown, who knows about urlacher. i think it's safe to say you guys got this one =/

with grossman went the season and the rising expectations.
 

Fifty

Member
Ravens over Chiefs. Jamal runs so far and so fast that he ascends to heaven and proceeds to break tackles from God himself.
 

DarienA

The black man everyone at Activision can agree on
Cerebral Palsy said:
The Panthers, *cough*Delhomme*cough*, got lucky against us. And we lost Week 3 on a 105 yard INT return. We're due for a win.

Dood you have no run defense... game over.
 

J2 Cool

Member
Eminem said:
no grossman, no tillman, no brown, who knows about urlacher. i think it's safe to say you guys got this one =/

with grossman went the season and the rising expectations.

yep, it was a good season
 
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Deleted member 1159

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Paradox said:
Sunday, Oct. 3
Oakland at Houston - Oakland is worse then KC, Houston should have no trouble

There aren't enough LOLicons for this statement. See you on the 17th
 
With Thomas Jones...the Bears are never dead.

And with the Lions taking some injuries and the Packers looking like crap...and well the entire NFC looking like crap...I wouldn't give up on the Bears yet.

It's tough to win in the metrodome and they almost did. Quinn probably sucks but that's when you go jumbo and run the ball...throw in a playaction every now and then to Terrell and the Bears can still make the playoffs.

Sorry to see Gannon go down(again). I really think his time is up. Getting Collins was the smartest move this off season.

Gannon deserved a title though. He was robbed in that snow bowl...he was robbed. They would have went all the way.
 

Mrbob

Member
No worries, we got big daddy Quinn! Quinn is the man!

....


Right?!?!

;___;


We're fooqed. Hello 2005 season. 2004 season I BEARly knew thee. :/ We need Thomas Jones to step it up more than ever.
 

Paradox

Member
Thaedolus said:
There aren't enough LOLicons for this statement. See you on the 17th

Raiders suck; and you thinking your better then KC is even more laughable then the fact that you think you have a good team.
 

DarienA

The black man everyone at Activision can agree on
No, monday night games are part of the previous week so we should continue to talk about it in the old thread.
 

MetatronM

Unconfirmed Member
This is going to be a tricky week for picks. I suspect there is good potential for a few upsets/perceived upsets.

WEEK 4

Sunday, Oct. 3

Cincinnati at Pittsburgh, 1:00 pm
Indianapolis at Jacksonville, 1:00 pm
New England at Buffalo, 1:00 pm
N.Y. Giants at Green Bay, 1:00 pm
Oakland at Houston, 1:00 pm
Philadelphia at Chicago, 1:00 pm
Washington at Cleveland, 1:00 pm
Atlanta at Carolina, 4:05 pm
New Orleans at Arizona, 4:05 pm
Denver at Tampa Bay, 4:15 pm
N.Y. Jets at Miami, 4:15 pm
Tennessee at San Diego, 4:15 pm
St. Louis at San Francisco, 8:30 pm

Monday, Oct. 4

Kansas City at Baltimore, 9:00 pm

Open date: Dallas, Detroit, Minnesota, Seattle



Last Week: 11 - 3

Season: 22 - 8
 

Matlock

Banned
What's the deal with the really early, unformatted parent post?


WEEK 4

Sunday, Oct. 3

Cincinnati at Pittsburgh, 1:00 pm
Indianapolis at Jacksonville, 1:00 pm
New England at Buffalo, 1:00 pm
N.Y. Giants at Green Bay, 1:00 pm
Oakland at Houston, 1:00 pm
Philadelphia at Chicago, 1:00 pm
Washington at Cleveland, 1:00 pm
Atlanta at Carolina, 4:05 pm
New Orleans at Arizona, 4:05 pm
Denver at Tampa Bay, 4:15 pm
N.Y. Jets at Miami, 4:15 pm
Tennessee at San Diego, 4:15 pm
St. Louis at San Francisco, 8:30 pm

Monday, Oct. 4

Kansas City at Baltimore, 9:00 pm
 

Lambtron

Unconfirmed Member
Sunday, Oct. 3

Cincinnati at Pittsburgh, 1:00 pm
Indianapolis at Jacksonville, 1:00 pm
New England at Buffalo, 1:00 pm
N.Y. Giants at Green Bay, 1:00 pm
Oakland at Houston, 1:00 pm
Philadelphia at Chicago, 1:00 pm
Washington at Cleveland, 1:00 pm
Atlanta at Carolina, 4:05 pm
New Orleans at Arizona, 4:05 pm (Upset Special)
Denver at Tampa Bay, 4:15 pm
N.Y. Jets at Miami, 4:15 pm
Tennessee at San Diego, 4:15 pm
St. Louis at San Francisco, 8:30 pm

Monday, Oct. 4

Kansas City at Baltimore, 9:00 pm

Here's hoping that the Packshow gets their damn secondary healed up. Otherwise, it's going to be a long season.
 
All is not lost for the Bears. Rex hasn't been winning us games, Jones and the offensive and defensive lines have been the reason we've been playing 'well'. As long as these 3 factors keep performing and Hutchinson can be simply Jim Miller good enough we'll be in good shape against the easier opponents left on our schedule.
 
Jamal runs so far and so fast that he ascends to heaven and proceeds to break tackles from God himself.

:lol



yeah soulja, you hope you beat san fran but you can't and you won't. OUR RUN STARTS NOW NINERS!* GET READY!


















* Our run to a top 5 draft pick



but in all honesty i expect us to beat the rams. two teams coming off bad losses, both teams have major problems on opposite ends of the ball (our offense stinks, the rams defense stinks), but we always play the rams tough so hopefully it is a good game. the thing i regret most is that i have to listen to the sunday night crew for an entire game. here are some lines from the future (49ers vs rams next sunday):

Pat: "Montana back to pass, hits rice in stride for a 48 yard gain."

<That fat pig tight end from the rams catches a bogus 7 yard out pass>
Paul: I talked to fat pig on friday and i asked him i said to him "Does marc bulger have a rocket arm and are you going to catch a 7 yard out pass?" and he looked at me and he smiled and he said "dont get your briches in a gander old chum" that is confidence. marc bulger has instilled the confidence that this team needs to be successful.

Joe: "Well Paul the Rams can't pass the ball, they have no offensive line, for gods sake their tight end has a cast on his thumb! Terrible idea to pass
<bulger to big gay torry holt touchdown moments after above comment>

Now the key to that play was great blocking by the offensive line and the FOCUS that marc bulger has. You want to talk about composure, I had lunch with marc bulger on saturday night, and when the waiter said soup or salad he didn't panick, he surveyed the menu, made his reads, and came BACK to the waiter and asked "what is the soup of the day?" to which the waiter replied "potato soup". Marc ended up going with the salad"
 

Miguel

Member
FrenchMovieTheme said:
Now the key to that play was great blocking by the offensive line and the FOCUS that marc bulger has. You want to talk about composure, I had lunch with marc bulger on saturday night, and when the waiter said soup or salad he didn't panick, he surveyed the menu, made his reads, and came BACK to the waiter and asked "what is the soup of the day?" to which the waiter replied "potato soup". Marc ended up going with the salad"


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HOLY FUCK! :lol
 

J2 Cool

Member
Holy shit dude
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:lol :lol :lol

but seriously tho, bulger has played very well so far this year. He's 3rd in the NFL in passing yards(915), and 7th in passer rating(94.7) Hopefully now that jim mora jr is gone, this offense can have a big day.
 

Willco

Hollywood Square
I think the Redskins will finally come together next week against Cleveland. I've been anti-Brunell since the opener and he hailed failed to stretch the field at all.

Until last night.

Something finally clicked, whether it be newfound chemistry with Rod Gardner or understanding of the timing with the offense, but the Redskins offense is now alive.

I think my 9-7 prediction will come true now.

Now, let's go out there and PUNK Jeff Garcia!
 

DarienA

The black man everyone at Activision can agree on
You know I'd rather KC had one that game this weekend... if anything they have simply one more incentive to win Monday night... 0-4? unheard of... It's gonna be a knockdown drag out one I think.
 

Willco

Hollywood Square
DarienA said:
You know I'd rather KC had one that game this weekend... if anything they have simply one more incentive to win Monday night... 0-4? unheard of... It's gonna be a knockdown drag out one I think.

I don't think so. Jamal Lewis is going to run all over their defenders. And it looks like the rest of the league has figured out that KC's best and pretty much only receiver is also their TE. Baltimore has the speedy, athletic linebackers to cover Gonzalez.

The Chiefs are pretenders, yo!
 
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