NFL WildCard Weekend 2010- Extended Xmas for Some;Miniature American Flags for Others

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Buckethead said:
The whole "package deal" thing seems some nerd's wet-dick fantasy.

I'm sure Harbaugh wants Luck in the pros, but this assumes multiple things:

- A team wants to lose to get Harbaugh/Luck and thus secure the #1 pick in 2012
- Lower echelon teams like the 49ers and Panthers don't have a HC and would hire a "filler"
- This assumes they'd sign a multi-year deal and buy it out or sign an obvious 1-year scam contract
- Either this means someones paying someone they don't want just to lose and eventually get both
- Either way, wasted $$$
- The team that gets the #1 spot next year wants a QB or, has the money to pay Harbaugh/Luck

Very faulty logic.

Yeah I guess package deal as far as going to NFL is flawed, though I would argue that a team that is picking #1 is likely in the market for both a QB and coach.

I don't think he goes back to Standford w/o Luck going back, and I don't think he'll stay beyond this coming year. All these in-demand coaches all want jobs with a settled QB. Nothing ruins your perceived coaching ability like bad talent at QB.
 
Zeke said:
would be awesome if the phins stumbled into the playoffs next season with no chance of of drafting luck :lol

Their front 7 is pretty good, a healthy Odrick should help them out, Solia is one of the best nose guards in the game. If they can lock up another DB (S/CB, maybe Sean Smith turns it around) and another ILB (Crowder's knees are mess, guy is breaking down), that D will be really tough.

Need a QB though, another WR as well.

Main problem is landing an OC. Sparano's on his deathbed, who's going to sign up for a one year term at most? Factor in the awful Henne and no one is going to want to go over and coach that O. Like I said, put a bullet in him already.
 
LJ11 said:
Their front 7 is pretty good, a healthy Odrick should help them out, Solia is one of the best nose guards in the game. If they can lock up another DB (S/CB, maybe Sean Smith turns it around) and another ILB (Crowder's knees are mess, guy is breaking down), that D will be really tough.

Need a QB though, another WR as well.

Main problem is landing an OC. Sparano's on his death, who's going to sign up for a one year term at most? Factor in the awful Henne and no one is going to want to go over and coach that O. Like I said, put a bullet in him already.

A good QB and we are a 10-6 borderline playoff team. Our defense is great. Our offense is terrible cause of the QB play.
 
squicken said:
Yeah I guess package deal as far as going to NFL is flawed, though I would argue that a team that is picking #1 is likely in the market for both a QB and coach.
That's true, but what if it's the Panthers that get the #1 next year again?

Does Harbaugh really want to coach there?
What if it's a team with a crappy front office?

There are just an innumerable amount of variables to make a "package deal" happen for every party.

I don't get why he doesn't stay at Stanford forever or go to Michigan.
Both seem like great options, sure it's not NFL money but it's plenty.
 
LJ11 said:
Their front 7 is pretty good, a healthy Odrick should help them out, Solia is one of the best nose guards in the game. If they can lock up another DB (S/CB, maybe Sean Smith turns it around) and another ILB (Crowder's knees are mess, guy is breaking down), that D will be really tough.

Need a QB though, another WR as well.

Main problem is landing an OC. Sparano's on his death, who's going to sign up for a one year term at most? Factor in the awful Henne and no one is going to want to go over and coach that O. Like I said, put a bullet in him already.
theres serviceable QB's out there come FA McNabb would be a good pick up for them
 
MiamiWesker said:
A good QB and we are a 10-6 borderline playoff team. Our defense is great. Our offense is terrible cause of the QB play.

I thought your offense was terrible because of Henning, make up your minds!

Your D is good, that back 4/5 is atrocious however, Vontae aside. Pats will continue to pick you apart because your LBs are terrible in coverage, and without a safety worth a shit enjoy covering those TEs.


Zeke said:
theres serviceable QB's out there come FA McNabb would be a good pick up for them

They can definitely find some stop gap QB, which would prevent them from totally tanking. They're a few pieces away from being really good.
 
Zeke said:
theres serviceable QB's out there come FA McNabb would be a good pick up for them

He would make the season interesting to be sure. Plus that would be perfect if we draft a 1st round QB so he can sit and learn behind him.
 
ph33nix said:
harbaugh is the lebron james of the nfl right now

Seems that the media is mostly to blame for blowing this up.

As long as he doesn't have an ESPN special (10 minute presser is fine)
or release a passive-aggressive "what should I do" Nike ad, all this Harbaugh shit is fine with me.
 
LJ11 said:
I thought your offense was terrible because of Henning, make up your minds!

Your D is good, that back 4/5 is atrocious however, Vontae aside. Pats will continue to pick you apart because your LBs are terrible in coverage, and without a safety worth a shit enjoy covering those TEs.

Its both, Henning is gone, Henne needs to be next. Sean Smith is going to be a stud if he can catch an int. The Pats will pick us apart cause they have Brady, they will pick everyone apart.
 
Buckethead said:
He is literally trolling.

Seeing which fishes will bite and how big they are only to come back later for the big haul.

I don't think that's the case, I think it has more to do with the fact that he wants to take the money, but the teams offering (niners, dolphins) have questionable front office situations. $6-7 million year is great, but you also don't want to set yourself up to fail, be fired after 3 years and ruin the chances of getting another legit NFL chance again.
 
ViperVisor said:

Number of playoff teams perfect, don't want to be like the NBA and have half the league in the playoffs, if that happens I am positive we would have more 7-9 teams in the playoffs, and eventually a 6-10 team would get in, and if that happen FMT would be thinking playoffs every year....
 
MiamiWesker said:
Its both, Henning is gone, Henne needs to be next. Sean Smith is going to be a stud if he can catch an int. The Pats will pick us apart cause they have Brady, they will pick everyone apart.

Smith gets victimized all day, for every 1 good play he makes, he'll turn around and make 5 bad ones. Still has time to develop, but in the meantime he's easy pickings.

You still need a S.
 
Nemesis121 said:
Number of playoff teams perfect, don't want to be like the NBA and have half the league in the playoffs, if that happens I am positive we would have more 7-9 teams in the playoffs, and eventually a 6-10 team would get in, and if that happen FMT would be thinking playoffs every year....

i'm thinking playoffs every year motherfucker!

and then i stop thinking playoffs by week 8.... but then i start up again in week 16 when i realize we still have a chance to make it even though we're 5-9 since we play in the nfc west. suck it down losers!
 
At least the Niners will go back to being dog shit in Madden again, and will probably never get that preseason boost again.
 
I like the reasoned replies on saying the setup now is good. True. The balance is making the pizza pie bigger but not screw up the quality much.

The NCAA is great because seeding is a thought out process. The smaller % of teams taken isn't the magic number. They have a huge and diverse pool of teams.

Seed-by-seed matchups in NCAA Tournament
1s winning 100% and 2s 95% is a sign of weakness or strength in the setup depending on perspective.

The linchpin for a playoff system is correctly rewarding teams play during the season. The high seeds in the NCAA are rewarded to a level of near irrelevant games.

If the NFL is keeping the Bye prize, as it really pushes good teams to be great, the question is how to be fair to the teams just outside of the Bye vs. the last teams that maybe slipped in the door.
I think that problem is small enough to be minimized and not stop from going with 14 team playoff.
 
I think the playoff system is great!

18 game slate doesn't bother me too much, sounds like more of an inevitability in the end which is kind of sad in terms of NFL records and such. 5000 passing yards and 2000 rushing yards will probably become the new gold standard for excellence which is pretty ridiculous.

I'm also concerned about the quality of product that teams will have since it sounds like they'll be drastically cutting down on physical contact in the off-season as a trade off. It'll be nice to cut it down to 2 preseason games though.

Actually cut it down to 2 preseason games no matter what. That sounds good.

Also wouldn't mind seeing playoff OT rules expanded to the regular season so long as they eliminate the possibility of a tie. Play until someone wins!
 
FrenchMovieTheme said:
no one can take our madden 11 ratings from me! locked in with our franchise! you lose!

8 more months. You better enjoy it while you can, because the preseason hyped Niners will be replaced by the preseason hyped Bucs! Freeman 90+ OVR!
 
lol

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wienke said:
I think the playoff system is great!

18 game slate doesn't bother me too much, sounds like more of an inevitability in the end which is kind of sad in terms of NFL records and such. 5000 passing yards and 2000 rushing yards will probably become the new gold standard for excellence which is pretty ridiculous.
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I don't really mind if they go to 18 games. It's not like the football owners are baseball owners, who succeed despite themselves. Most of the decisions these guys have made have made the fan experience even better. Add another bye week, significantly expand rosters, and adjust IR rules.

The time between the draft and the beginning of the season is the absolute worst part of the sports year. Reducing that by a few weeks would be great.

But going to an expanded playoff system would be a bad idea, I think. Every week matters in the NFL, usually. But adding another layer of playoffs and you risk upsetting a fundamental aspect of what makes the sport so good. It's why I'm always glad the NCAA presidents ignore the playoffs talk for CFB.
 
I'm strongly against 18 games. I just worry about player safety. Not only would players miss more games within a season, they could have potentially shorter careers as well. Steve Young was a starter for less than a decade. Can you imagine if he had to play two more games a season? Or someone like Michael Vick, who can't even make it through 16 games in tact? And those poor lineman.

Outside of the NFC West, the quality of play is as high as I've ever seen it. I would hate to see that disappear because owners need to clone rhinoceroses to get new ivory backscratchers.
 
That's definitely a valid concern, Gigglepoo. All those backup QBs playing shitty games hurts the league at some point. But what bugs me are people going on and on about player safety.

It just rings hollow. Especially ESPN, and then especially Bill Simmons who seems chief crybaby on the issue. His highest traffic is on football columns. Most listened to podcasts football podcast.

It's an inherently dangerous sport. If you were really concerned about player safety, wouldn't you want less games? Like 14 games? Or maybe even no games? Or is 16 games the sweet spot for you in allowing you to enjoy these guys exposing their brains and bodies to long term maladies versus your desire to be entertained and profit from covering it?
 
Fuck an 18 game season.

Just give me a better television product. I want cams on helmets. How awesome would it be to watch Rex throw an interception from his perspective or to see Vick running from HGH Clay Matthews.
 
Dark FaZe said:
Fuck an 18 game season.

Just give me a better television product. I want cams on helmets. How awesome would it be to watch Rex throw an interception from his perspective or to see Vick running from HGH Clay Matthews.

I'd like more use of the wirecam and logos/tickers turned off on kickoffs and whatnot. I was watching some game earlier in the year where the onscreen graphics went off for a few minutes and it felt so refreshing without the screen clutter.
 
I think lots of people would love access to the wide angles used for the coaches tape. The NFL guards that shit like it's plutonium. I wonder why they are so afraid of the general public seeing it? Why not make it part of what they replay on DirecTV during the week?
 
So with luck out most mocks seem to imply there's a top 6 of talent.

CB - Peterson,
DT - Dareus, Fairley,
DE - Quinn, Bowers,
WR - Green

So at number 6 one of these will fall to the Browns, which is lucky as they all fill a need. Possibly two choices if some foolish team like the Panthers/Bills/Bengals take Newton or Gabbert.
 
All I know is if NO loses to Seattle, I'ma cut someone. I don't even care about the rest of the playoffs, if the Seahawks win I'm just going to have to hurt something
 
The Dolphins are a joke. How the fuck is Sparano gonna get any respect after what just happened? FUCK YOU ROSS.
 
ViperVisor said:
I like the reasoned replies on saying the setup now is good. True. The balance is making the pizza pie bigger but not screw up the quality much.

The NCAA is great because seeding is a thought out process. The smaller % of teams taken isn't the magic number. They have a huge and diverse pool of teams.

Seed-by-seed matchups in NCAA Tournament
1s winning 100% and 2s 95% is a sign of weakness or strength in the setup depending on perspective.

The linchpin for a playoff system is correctly rewarding teams play during the season. The high seeds in the NCAA are rewarded to a level of near irrelevant games.

If the NFL is keeping the Bye prize, as it really pushes good teams to be great, the question is how to be fair to the teams just outside of the Bye vs. the last teams that maybe slipped in the door.
I think that problem is small enough to be minimized and not stop from going with 14 team playoff.

The NCAA tournament would be better with half as many teams.

Conference tournaments would be more important and you would stop seeing teams like Duke play Little Retarded Blind Sisters of the Poor and Molested in November.
 
eznark said:
The NCAA tournament would be better with half as many teams.

Conference tournaments would be more important and you would stop seeing teams like Duke play Little Retarded Blind Sisters of the Poor and Molested in November.
Eh, half the draw of the NCAA tournament is that the little sisters get so many shots at the big boys. In a 40 minute game of a sport like basketball, a lot of shit can go down.

Tell me you didn't enjoy Eric Maynor draining that J to beat Duke.
 
Sure I do, but the last few years I don't watch any basketball until February because until then it's fairly meaningless if you follow a team that is even moderately talented. The "everyone is in" tournament system cuts the season down 75% because the regular season is mostly irrelevant.
 
eznark said:
Sure I do, but the last few years I don't watch any basketball until February because until then it's fairly meaningless if you follow a team that is even moderately talented. The "everyone is in" tournament system cuts the season down 75% because the regular season is mostly irrelevant.

I had no idea anyone watched CBB until tourney time
 
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