Ninja Gaiden II: The Official GAF Thread of Chaos
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riceandbeans
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Wray said:
Doubt it, especially not this late in the game. Part of the reason why they got rid of all the blood was for performance reasons and a design choice. Hayashi decided to fuck with Itagaki's original envision and, "pursue Ninja Gaiden with sleek and sexy depiction and start evolving this game." By evolve he meant adding jiggling tits and fun cosplay dress ups. I give him props for the co-op, really can't wait to try that out when I get a PS3.
And that's the exact reason I don't like this guy. Sigma 2 is good because Itagaki laid down the foundation, but I have a feeling this guy is going to make future Ninja Gaiden's into some flashy DMC, otaku loving bullshit. Not that there's anything wrong DMC, it's a great game, but what makes Ninja Gaiden is the badass, brutal, relentless combat.
TheVisualizer
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was reading the OP for old times sake and noticed the HORSE ARMOR section for the 1st time :lol
sixteen-bit
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yeah, it truly is a phenomenal OP
shane :lol
shane :lol
Coin Return
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This thread brings back memories. I want the master ninja gamer picture, damnit.
sixteen-bit
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wouldn't that be sigma?p3tran said:
Wait, what's this of a patch? Removing enemies so the framerate improves? Does this mean Team Ninja/Tecmo tried to get the 360 version to be as good (gameplay wise) as the PS3 version?
Because honestly, the rebalanced difficulty is the best part of the PS3 remake after the numerous cons (jiggly breasts, no gore, Hayashi adding bosses that weren't even fucking needed *sup Chapter 1 mid-boss?*)
I bought this day one for $60 expecting Itagaki to give me a face rocking, instead all I got was an unplayable (beyond Warrior) turd. And I really want to get the achievements and love this version of the game, but I just... can't unless they fixed the difficulty (HOLY SPAM, BATMAN!) problem.
Because honestly, the rebalanced difficulty is the best part of the PS3 remake after the numerous cons (jiggly breasts, no gore, Hayashi adding bosses that weren't even fucking needed *sup Chapter 1 mid-boss?*)
I bought this day one for $60 expecting Itagaki to give me a face rocking, instead all I got was an unplayable (beyond Warrior) turd. And I really want to get the achievements and love this version of the game, but I just... can't unless they fixed the difficulty (HOLY SPAM, BATMAN!) problem.
Jigsaw said:
Oh please.
That clown could have made Sigma 2 a 360 exclusive and I would have said the same thing, fuck that system warrior bullshit - the guy went and messed with the philosophy of the game - he didn't make improvements, he went backwards and made cuts to do what he had to do.
He even had more than a year plus a finished game to work with - again, those slowdowns only occurred at those stairs of doom, and when you tried to run and bring enemies with you to other encounters up ahead - that in itself is something other games don't even allow to do, instead of being split up into little loading rooms...
If you like that it's easier, good for you, but to ME, the original idea and feel for the game was tampered with. And those fountains of blood looked gorgeous on my screen, and limbs and bodies and gore didn't disappear either, screw that purple mist stuff.
ultim8p00 said:
The massacre that begins at 1:42, my goodness.
No equal indeed.
Grimm Fandango
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desh said:
One thing I think people underestimate is the Guillotine Throw. Any weapon can do it immediately, it will delimb ninjas when thrown against a wall, and it has valuable I-frames.
"God's Beard!"
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Mine was coolerultim8p00 said:
sixteen-bit
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this should have been an ongoing seriesGod's Beard said:
for shame
NG28 said:
Well, there is fewer enemies, and it's NG2 on NG1/Black/Sigma's engine so it's less "offensive" play and more "Defensive"/block-has-a-use-here like those.
So, yes. It did fix the projectile spam, in most ways.
Laughing Banana
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Say, if I jump straight to this game without playing the 1st one, will I be missing a lot of back-story that can potentially confuse me?
a Master Ninja
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The OP should make everything clear.Laughing Banana said:
That said, Ninja Gaiden Black still holds up remarkably well and I recommend playing it if you like a fair challenge.
desh said:
If there's enough space (like inside the church in stage 8) I like to use the tonfas and spam the UT like hell. But a problem with tonfas is that their OT often fails to lock enemies even when they are near, and with IS ninjas it's manadatory to obliterate them as fast as possible to get some essence and start the UT chain. Another good strategy is to use double swords (or the dragon sword), counterattack with Y to de-limb and quickly obliterate the enemy, but only if there aren't too much of them (like at the end of stage 8). Against large groups the only thing I can do is spam the UT.
And those videos are insane. I thought it was impossible to fight so many enemies without relying heavily on ninpos and UTs... I'm speechless.
sixteen-bit
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Sure. And later on down the road if you wish, you can play Black/Sigma1 and have the superior (though admittedly slower-paced) experience.Laughing Banana said:
I prefer NG, but then again I did play it first. YMMV.
Unregistered007
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GuardianE said:
agreed.
btw does anyone know how NGB plays on xbox 360 ? I was thinking of buying the games on demand version.
sixteen-bit
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Sigma had some weird design choices ('sup rachel) but I still really liked it. At its core it's a prettier version of the NG I know and love, and it also revamped the water section I hated so much in vanilla/black.
Never played Sigma 2.
Never played Sigma 2.
There is no definite NG2 version. Sigma 2 is quite toned down at parts (much more streamlined - whether this is good or bad depends on the player), altogether removes trials of valor altogether (and these were my favorite battles in the original, too 
). You never really get the feeling of fighting impossible odds as you fend off wave after endless wave of enemies, only to finally emerge victorious as you laugh death in the face; which is a shame, since this is where vanilla NG2 shined at its best (and completely trumps Sigma2 in this aspect).
Sigma2 is quite easier. My warrior run was extremely disappointing. What this does, however, is make the higher difficulties manageable for me. Mentor on vanilla NG2 was an exercise in frustration for me, as projectile spam was just too much - I only reached chapter 3 before I had decided I had had enough (though I probably would have carried on if Sigma2 hadn't already been announced by then).
The BEST addition is online co-op team missions. When it's good, it's goooood. The netcode isn't the greatest, but ultimately serviceable - though I can't help but feel a bit disappointed with the netcode. Team missions is also, unfortunately, the worst aspect of Sigma2 - so much wasted potential. There are 35 missions. Sounds great, right? Not so. 10 missions are acolyte only. 10 warrior only, 10 mentor, 5 master ninja, 5 ultimate. Right off the bat, 10 missions are basically throwaway (we went through them anyway, but basically just mopped the floor with ease - which is not how Ninja Gaiden should be ), the next 10 (warrior) were pretty much one-playthrough missions. At least the mentor missions were good fun, but there are only 10 of them. Master ninja is nice too. The problem with some of the higher level missions is the high reliance on (multiple) bosses rather than huge waves of enemies. Good in theory, but more variety would be nice. The real problem with high-level boss fights is that any amount of significant lag makes the battles impossible. Again, netcode is serviceable, but sometimes it just makes those battles really frustrating.
They could have made all this a non-issue just by allowing all 35 missions to be selectable difficulty levels. You know, like how mission mode has always been prior to this. I just can't understand this awful design decision.
). You never really get the feeling of fighting impossible odds as you fend off wave after endless wave of enemies, only to finally emerge victorious as you laugh death in the face; which is a shame, since this is where vanilla NG2 shined at its best (and completely trumps Sigma2 in this aspect).Sigma2 is quite easier. My warrior run was extremely disappointing. What this does, however, is make the higher difficulties manageable for me. Mentor on vanilla NG2 was an exercise in frustration for me, as projectile spam was just too much - I only reached chapter 3 before I had decided I had had enough (though I probably would have carried on if Sigma2 hadn't already been announced by then).
The BEST addition is online co-op team missions. When it's good, it's goooood. The netcode isn't the greatest, but ultimately serviceable - though I can't help but feel a bit disappointed with the netcode. Team missions is also, unfortunately, the worst aspect of Sigma2 - so much wasted potential. There are 35 missions. Sounds great, right? Not so. 10 missions are acolyte only. 10 warrior only, 10 mentor, 5 master ninja, 5 ultimate. Right off the bat, 10 missions are basically throwaway (we went through them anyway, but basically just mopped the floor with ease - which is not how Ninja Gaiden should be
), the next 10 (warrior) were pretty much one-playthrough missions. At least the mentor missions were good fun, but there are only 10 of them. Master ninja is nice too. The problem with some of the higher level missions is the high reliance on (multiple) bosses rather than huge waves of enemies. Good in theory, but more variety would be nice. The real problem with high-level boss fights is that any amount of significant lag makes the battles impossible. Again, netcode is serviceable, but sometimes it just makes those battles really frustrating.They could have made all this a non-issue just by allowing all 35 missions to be selectable difficulty levels. You know, like how mission mode has always been prior to this. I just can't understand this awful design decision.
iconoclast
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MattyH said:
Is your game updated with the latest patch? Around the time the mission mode DLC came out they issued a patch that caused freezing on Chapter 10. They fixed it eventually with a new patch that you probably need to download.
mernst23 said:
Tonfa is easiest, then Talons, then Flails. Congrats on 1250 though, you've got the hard part out of the way already (the karma missions) so it should be smooth sailing from there.
Just got done beating MNM. I think Zedonius 2.0 gave me the most trouble. It felt so good once I finished it, though. My appreciation for this game has increased tremendously after going though Mentor and MNM. I remember when Warrior gave me troubles, and now Warrior is ridiculously easy. Now, I just have to complete 4 weapon playthroughs to complete the vanilla achievement pack. Not sure if I'll ever get around to some of the Mission Pack achievements, some of them might be too tough for me.
Wow, it didn't take long after beating Mentor! Congratulations!
I'm still struggling with Mentor, I finally beat chapter 11 and now I'm at Zeldonius in chapter 12. It's a tough fight but if I'm not mistaken it's the last difficulty spike of the game.
Believe it or not, the worst enemies for me are the damn zombie dogs. They are fast, tough, you can't dismember them, their grabs can eat all your life bar in no time and if they choose to suicide it's game over. And as if this wasn't enough, you always fight them in large groups, at least 5 or 6 dogs toghether. I can't believe that a level 3 art of the wind blades can instantly kill every human enemy (including zombies) but not the fucking dogs!
I'm still struggling with Mentor, I finally beat chapter 11 and now I'm at Zeldonius in chapter 12. It's a tough fight but if I'm not mistaken it's the last difficulty spike of the game.
Believe it or not, the worst enemies for me are the damn zombie dogs. They are fast, tough, you can't dismember them, their grabs can eat all your life bar in no time and if they choose to suicide it's game over. And as if this wasn't enough, you always fight them in large groups, at least 5 or 6 dogs toghether. I can't believe that a level 3 art of the wind blades can instantly kill every human enemy (including zombies) but not the fucking dogs!
danmaku said:
Yeah, I really had problems with him on Master Ninja, he was one of the most difficult parts in the game. I think I must have gotten lucky on Mentor, because on MNM it took me close to 2 hours to finally beat him. As for the ninja dogs, I think the best way is to probably use inferno initially, then chain lunar 360 et/ut. Even level 0 lunar 360 works pretty good on the dogs. The Master Ninja FAQ on gamefaqs describes how to take care of these guys. I used this FAQ to get through both Mentor and Master Ninja difficulties.