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[Minsc]

There really is no excuse for Nintendo using substandard components.

The USB C port on the front of a PS5 can output 4K at 120fps with HDR plus additional data transmission and power simultaneously. The DP Alt Mode used is perfectly capable of VRR. And that isn't even its primary output port.

Nintendo swerving this feels stupid, particularly when it's the console that will arguably need it the most.

That's thanks to DSC - they compress the video signal to allow it to support higher settings than the port normally can allow. Many of the 4k240hz monitors also rely on DSC to hit 2160p at 240hz.

The port itself is on the lower end and only supports 10Gbps with USB 3.2 going to 20Gbps and USB4 going to 80Gbps.

AFAIK the Switch 2 can use DSC as well, and bump up the supported resolutions.

 

[BlackTron]

Pretty decent projector to be honest. But I guess if people buy poor quality stuff then that's what they are comparing things too.

Our core disagreement can be summarized as "Those new releases do in fact look acceptable on the type of TV in most living rooms today because it looks good on my projector with 4k upscaling."

Which is it? Is Nintendo for casuals jamming the system into whatever big screen TV was already sitting there for 2 years because they don't stress tech, or is it for passionate pixel counters packing hardware?

Nintendo wants their new releases to look like a decent game on normal setups. Normal being laughably large TVs spammed everywhere, unfortunately. It's not some sort of sin, just an admittance that they found themselves against a wall in this situation. It's practically a compliment how well they glossed over the handicap to squeeze out a few more years before Switch 2. It wouldn't be as badly needed if TVs topped out around 50", but SO many people go even bigger just because they're so cheap. And Switch 1 couldn't keep up with that -they were essentially barred from releasing another TOTK type game until they upgraded.

Another factor you overlook is the settings. Most T.V's need setting up properly. I was at my sisters for a while getting her TV set up correctly.

When you actually do try Zelda on that 55", you won't come back and admit it but you will feel very silly.

Plot twist: he's hasn't played it, comes back to say how good it looks on Switch 2

I sold mu copy of BOTW ages ago but kept the save file. TOTK just looked too similar for me having covered pretty much all of the original map and completed every shrine. But now I think I will hint down a second hand copy of BOTW and use my Nintendo family expansion pack. Can't wait to go exploring again. Although how much time I will have as I am trying to navigete Mario Kart World is a slight problem. But a good one to have.

I was not going to buy TOTK but did end up caving in on launch day. I did enjoy the initial sky island. But sold the game pretty soon after. I may go back at some point.

 

[Mozza]

I thou

Our core disagreement can be summarized as "Those new releases do in fact look acceptable on the type of TV in most living rooms today because it looks good on my projector with 4k upscaling."

Which is it? Is Nintendo for casuals jamming the system into whatever big screen TV was already sitting there for 2 years because they don't stress tech, or is it for passionate pixel counters packing hardware?

Nintendo wants their new releases to look like a decent game on normal setups. Normal being laughably large TVs spammed everywhere, unfortunately. It's not some sort of sin, just an admittance that they found themselves against a wall in this situation. It's practically a compliment how well they glossed over the handicap to squeeze out a few more years before Switch 2. It wouldn't be as badly needed if TVs topped out around 50", but SO many people go even bigger just because they're so cheap. And Switch 1 couldn't keep up with that -they were essentially barred from releasing another TOTK type game until they upgraded.



When you actually do try Zelda on that 55", you won't come back and admit it but you will feel very silly.

Plot twist: he's hasn't played it, comes back to say how good it looks on Switch 2

I thought you said your were done here. You little tease.

 

[adamsapple]

Such an odd decision. Must be a technical reason due to the dock and latency needed for VRR to operate.

Can't say for others but I would take VRR on TV over VRR on the small screen, where the fluctuations wouldn't be that in your face.

I played dozens of hours of Peace Walker on the PSP, and that shit was capped at 20fps, lol, and it was barely noticeable at all.

 

[Mozza]

Our core disagreement can be summarized as "Those new releases do in fact look acceptable on the type of TV in most living rooms today because it looks good on my projector with 4k upscaling."

Which is it? Is Nintendo for casuals jamming the system into whatever big screen TV was already sitting there for 2 years because they don't stress tech, or is it for passionate pixel counters packing hardware?

Nintendo wants their new releases to look like a decent game on normal setups. Normal being laughably large TVs spammed everywhere, unfortunately. It's not some sort of sin, just an admittance that they found themselves against a wall in this situation. It's practically a compliment how well they glossed over the handicap to squeeze out a few more years before Switch 2. It wouldn't be as badly needed if TVs topped out around 50", but SO many people go even bigger just because they're so cheap. And Switch 1 couldn't keep up with that -they were essentially barred from releasing another TOTK type game until they upgraded.



When you actually do try Zelda on that 55", you won't come back and admit it but you will feel very silly.

Plot twist: he's hasn't played it, comes back to say how good it looks on Switch 2

Like I said nobody outside core hobby gamers care about any of this. They simply play games and have fun. That does not mean that Nintendo consoles are not capable of looking good on decent sized displays. Not sure why you are struggling to understand any of this.

And at this point we simply do not know if Nintendo will add VRR to the Switch 2 in the future. But the Switch 2 is still going to look awesome on larger displays due to the increase in resolution.

 

[Bitstream]

Your assumption that VRR doesn't really matter was nullified by nintendo's decision to include it in the first place.

 

[Kerotan]

No VRROOOM VRROOOM this gen Ninties
All good though the Switch 3 in 10 years will have it.

 

[Gambit2483]

Neither of those had any sort of TV out.

Vita not even with expensive mods.

Unless you're counting the PlayStation TV.

Vita had Playstation TV

GBA had Game Boy Player (via Gamecube)

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

The reality is that I'd wager the vast majority of those people are spending most of their time still watching 1080p content on that set.

Netflix for instance-- a huge portion of TV watching in US -- requires an extra "premium" tier to access 4k streaming, and I've known zero people to spring for that extra option regardless of the device in their home. And Nintendo hasn't been at the forefront of TV tech for decades, they've consistently supported "one generation back" (eg. Wii U was first to have any HD output, released for Christmas 2012).

Again, few people buy Nintendo for ultra image IQ on a giant set. Their games aren't really designed for an ultra-hd experience to begin with. I stand by the claim that you'd find less than 5% (probably less than 1%) of Nintendo Switch 2 purchasers would care at all about VRR support from it. It's not that kind of product. And people plug different levels of resolution into their sets all the time (eg spending all their time on 1080p streaming content from various sources with compression artifacts) without caring.

Don't bother man. Posts like this, and my posts about a majority not caring about tech will largely get ignored because forumite techies just can't accept that truth, at least publicly. They'll continue to make excuses with dumb shit like "but it's x year" or "that was x years ago" or "it's a Wal Mart tv bruh" etc. and there's just no getting through to them, and I say to this: who cares what they think?

Let them continue to live in their mind's world of a computer screen with only like-minded people who only see things in black and white, this or that. These kinds of people have been telling others how to play games and what to play them on since time immemorial. For many years those kinds of people would tell other gamers on game sites bullshit like "don't play Fallout games on consoles" and will, to this day, want to analyze everything with a magnifying glass and count pixels, frames etc. while the other 90% of players just want to play the game how and where they prefer it.

 

[ItsGreat]

Why would they not simply say, it will come in a future FW update when this is obviously pissing people off? They have enough negativity around the cost of the units, the accessories and the games that adding to it is just moronic.

The only people it's pissing off are the people gullible enough to go along with the ragebaiting YouTubers and commentators who pretend to be pissed off for likes and subscribes.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Can't say for others but I would take VRR on TV over VRR on the small screen, where the fluctuations wouldn't be that in your face.

I played dozens of hours of Peace Walker on the PSP, and that shit was capped at 20fps, lol, and it was barely noticeable at all.

Agreed. It will be way more noticeable as you scale up the image to larger screens.

 

[Kataploom]

Don't ask me. Ask mozza about it. He is the one saying the switch is a hybrid because it has a dock. LOL

It's a hybrid because it's designed for an out of the box hybrid experience, when you buy it, it has:
- A dock with cable that will seamlessly "switch" between both modes without any effort
- Detachable controllers that can be put in s grip
- Controllers grip
- the main controllers the console comes with can be used combined I'm one or can be split in two
- it has the tabletop mode right out of the box as well
- the console OS has options for both TV and portable play

Ah so on and so forth... It's nothing like a portable that you can just connect to the TV like the Vita or a laptop, this thing was designed and it's sold like as a hybrid from the very beginning.

 

[scydrex]

It's a hybrid because it's designed for an out of the box hybrid experience, when you buy it, it has:
- A dock with cable that will seamlessly "switch" between both modes without any effort
- Detachable controllers that can be put in s grip
- Controllers grip
- the main controllers the console comes with can be used combined I'm one or can be split in two
- it has the tabletop mode right out of the box as well
- the console OS has options for both TV and portable play

Ah so on and so forth... It's nothing like a portable that you can just connect to the TV like the Vita or a laptop, this thing was designed and it's sold like as a hybrid from the very beginning.

So what about the swtich lite? Is another system then?

 

[Mozza]

So what about the swtich lite? Is another system then?

The Switch Lite is a handheld only version of the Switch. And does not connect to a TV.

 

[Mozza]

So what about the swtich lite? Is another system then?

The clue is in the name Switch.

 

[tr1p1ex]

Did Nintendo cancel the Switch 2 launch yet over this? Haven't seen anything.

 

[Kataploom]

So what about the swtich lite? Is another system then?

I only talked about the normal consola, Switch Lite is only portable and I don't know how it belongs to this conversation.

Well, you can't connect it to a TV obviously, but then this is the first time you can move from one Nintendo console to another and continue playing there where you left it so it's probably where Nintendo see the concept being applied, it would be better if they finally give us a TV only Switch, I'll "console beg" for it until they release it lol

 

[Mozza]

I only talked about the normal consola, Switch Lite is only portable and I don't know how it belongs to this conversation.

Well, you can't connect it to a TV obviously, but then this is the first time you can move from one Nintendo console to another and continue playing there where you left it so it's probably where Nintendo see the concept being applied, it would be better if they finally give us a TV only Switch, I'll "console beg" for it until they release it lol

A Nintendo Switchless.

 

[Kataploom]

A Nintendo Switchless.

A Nintendo Meta Switch, you switch beyond console modes

 

[Edmund]

You're really reaching here. Can't you just accept that Nintendo are making a console for the masses and not the niche hole picking nerds?

Or learn to have better standards.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Or learn to have better standards.

 

[GigaBowser]

12 pages?? ooohoohooohohoo portimble master race gsync charmpions

 

[tylrdiablos]

This is the same company that was touting party chat as a selling point for the Switch 2.... you know, the thing we've had since the Xbox 360. (And possibly even before.)

Wait for a Switch OLED, or whatever the revised edition will be, 12-18 months down the line.

 

[scydrex]

I only talked about the normal consola, Switch Lite is only portable and I don't know how it belongs to this conversation.

Well, you can't connect it to a TV obviously, but then this is the first time you can move from one Nintendo console to another and continue playing there where you left it so it's probably where Nintendo see the concept being applied, it would be better if they finally give us a TV only Switch, I'll "console beg" for it until they release it lol

Because the lite is a switch too?

 

[Kataploom]

Because the lite is a switch too?

Yes? Why is it relevant to this btw?

 

[Mozza]

Yes? Why is it relevant to this btw?

It's amazing they do not seem to know the Switch lite only supports the argument the standard Switch is a hybrid console. Of course why any of this matters is a mystery however.

 

[Kataploom]

It's amazing they do not seem to know the Switch lite only supports the argument the standard Switch is a hybrid console. Of course why any of this matters is a mystery however.

But why is it important for the discussion? It's like when Switch becomes the highest selling console and they'll say "but it's a handheld" like that matters, why it matters? It's only on anglosphere where I've seen people making distinction about home and portable consoles, it doesn't matter, in the end it's a dedicated videogames machine which function is mainly and primarily to play videogames

 

[ahtlas7]

how is this possible given Nvidia is inside?

 

[Mozza]

But why is it important for the discussion? It's like when Switch becomes the highest selling console and they'll say "but it's a handheld" like that matters, why it matters? It's only on anglosphere where I've seen people making distinction about home and portable consoles, it doesn't matter, in the end it's a dedicated videogames machine which function is mainly and primarily to play videogames

It's a way for some on here to cope with the fact an underpowered console has sold so well. And without a significant price reduction.

 

[Kerotan]

Look on the bright side ladies, you can keep all that money you saved up for a banging next gen TV with VRR.