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[Zathalus]

It's a pity, as the Switch 2 will likely benefit the most from it, especially in the 1440p/120 mode. I do find the argument about "core hobby gamers" to be funny though. As if that is any real justification for not including features.

 

[Mozza]

I literally busted out laughing when he said that. That's one of the most delusional statements ever posted on GAF.

I will bow to your superior knowledge of delusion.

 

[Mozza]

It's a pity, as the Switch 2 will likely benefit the most from it, especially in the 1440p/120 mode. I do find the argument about "core hobby gamers" to be funny though. As if that is any real justification for not including features.

I was not using as jusification. I would like Nintendo to add VRR as it's a benefit. I was just stating simple facts that it's not that big of a deal if it's there or not outside of the core hobby gamers. The masses will simply not know what VRR even is.

 

[Mozza]

Let me add...
Switch 2 supports 1440p/120 in the system/UI settings.

The original Switch supported up to 1080p but the home menu was still at 720p. I would imagine the Switch 2 home screen will be at least 1080p resolution.

 

[BlackTron]

No offense man but this is... cringe. If TOKT was "unplayable dog shit" on most people's TV no one would've bought it. Like - let's be real. And no one would've bought Switches since years.
Option B is far less people than we think have a 4K TV (I have no data on this - so no idea).

No matter which one it is, to me, you seem the one projecting the importance of things of your small subgroup as if it's something relevant on a broader case.

Just to be clear: I agree with your point in general that Nintendo should've tried to bring most "modern features" like HDR etc, and I guess VRR one of those.
But that's a different discussion, I would say something more related to a good principle, than VRR being something that "many people actually care about".

Even with no anecdotal evidence whatsoever, I would still say that Zelda looks like shit on the type of TV in most living rooms with simple deductive logic.

1) For my entire life, a culturally coveted item has been a big-screen TV, since they were thousands of dollars.
2) In America, the bigger the better.
3) A 55" TV is currently obtainable from Walmart easily for a ballpark of $300, often even lower.
4) At this size all the wheels fly off Zelda's resolution (and many other bigger Switch games).

People are playing the game handheld, using their smaller bedroom or older TVs, tolerating the Vaseline swimming pool, or just lucky enough to have a smaller living room TV because they don't care about football or are a grandma or something.

The funny thing is people say that you'd have to care first, but I wager people who care have more expensive sets like C1s where the cost drove the size down, or they knew not to get a screen too huge for video games. I said that Zelda looks like crap on the type of thing most people have and being that Nintendo allegedly caters to casual customers who don't micromanage this that's an issue, because most people just get the biggest screen they can per dollar without thinking about anything else. Then Nintendo looks like trash on it, but only Nintendo. Of course this was a problem that needed solving.

 

[PlayStaytion]

Nintendo are the biggest joke in the industry. We're in the year 2025 where VRR has been the standard for YEARSSSSS and they're launching a new console without VRR in docked mode. Holy shit what an embarrassment and i don't wanna see one person defending clown crap like this.

I could be wrong but could you list games that benefited from vrr? we must stop embracing tech when it clearly did nothing to the industry, most of my favorite games are ageless and technically outdated beyond comprehension.

 

[Trilobit]

Might snatch the inevitable OLED or Pro model instead of getting the NS2 in the coming years. I think I'll be happier with it and hopefully it doesn't have these kinds of issues.

 

[Radical_3d]

Wait for the revision, I guess.

 

[baphomet]

I could be wrong but could you list games that benefited from vrr? we must stop embracing tech when it clearly did nothing to the industry, most of my favorite games are ageless and technically outdated beyond comprehension.

Literally every game benefits from VRR.

 

[Shaki12345]

The HDMI cable that comes with the Switch 2 is allegedly Ultra High Speed. This means 2.1

Nintendo would not put HDMI 2.1 cable if the spec would be 2.0. OLED switch was HDMI 2.0/2.0b premium high speed cable.

The famiboard part list leak a while ago along with a ton of rumours put the dock converter as the Realtek RTD2175 which nobody has the spec. So while peoples were speculating on RTD2173 as being similar, nobody really knew.

But guess what PS5 slim uses?

Chipset which is displayport v1.4 to HDMI 2.1 converter.

VRR works on PS5 slim right?

So all in all its probably that the HDMI Forum compliance testing hasn't been completed. If there's some compatibility issue for some other reason like the cablematters cable which received firmware updates to fix it

Incredible how messy this HDMI seems to be for all of this.

Don't give us hope.

 

[Mozza]

Even with no anecdotal evidence whatsoever, I would still say that Zelda looks like shit on the type of TV in most living rooms with simple deductive logic.

1) For my entire life, a culturally coveted item has been a big-screen TV, since they were thousands of dollars.
2) In America, the bigger the better.
3) A 55" TV is currently obtainable from Walmart easily for a ballpark of $300, often even lower.
4) At this size all the wheels fly off Zelda's resolution (and many other bigger Switch games).

People are playing the game handheld, using their smaller bedroom or older TVs, tolerating the Vaseline swimming pool, or just lucky enough to have a smaller living room TV because they don't care about football or are a grandma or something.

The funny thing is people say that you'd have to care first, but I wager people who care have more expensive sets like C1s where the cost drove the size down, or they knew not to get a screen too huge for video games. I said that Zelda looks like crap on the type of thing most people have and being that Nintendo allegedly caters to casual customers who don't micromanage this that's an issue, because most people just get the biggest screen they can per dollar without thinking about anything else. Then Nintendo looks like trash on it, but only Nintendo. Of course this was a problem that needed solving.

That's the problem. People buy massive sets for as you say $300 or so. Most things look like trash on those sets. Or nowhere near as good as they should. But like you say this simply does not matter if the consumer does not care about such things. Like I said most Switch games look pretty good on my 48 inch OLED and my sisters 55 inch set. Not sure what you are getting at here as a cheap TV is what it is.

 

[daxgame]

Then Nintendo looks like trash on it, but only Nintendo. Of course this was a problem that needed solving.

Yeah but even if I agree with you, do most people who gamed Zelda on a 4K TV simply really think "at, this looks like trash" ?
I have doubts, considering Tears of the Kingdom came out in 2023, and I also can assume that the 4K TV presence was big. There is no data that suggests that "most people played it on handheld". Given the type of game I'd suspect the opposite being true, indeed.

So I'm also not sure that this was problem that needed solving - after all Nintendo never released a Switch Pro and Switch 2 is coming out simply at the right the sales lifecycle. Switch sales never cratered outside of the normal lifecycle, so we can safely assume that "gaming Switch on 4K" hasn't been that much of a factor.
Of course, given that Switch 2 has to live in the market for the next decade, it needs 4K compatibility, yes.

 

[BlackTron]

That's the problem. People buy massive sets for as you say $300 or so. Most things look like trash on those sets. Or nowhere near as good as they should. But like you say this simply does not matter if the consumer does not care about such things. Like I said most Switch games look pretty good on my 48 inch OLED and my sisters 55 inch set. Not sure what you are getting at here as a cheap TV is what it is.

Nintendo is run by people who area aware of what their own problems are instead of people who will pretend everything is fine which is why they will continue to be a success.

I have continually asserted that many of Nintendo's biggest, most important AAA games look like trash on the type of TV set in the average casual customers living room, which is their audience.

Instead of being able to acknowledge this obvious massive big deal for Nintendo to correct that they do not wish and never wished to find themselves in, you just deflect with other, also true statements that have no bearing on it whatsoever, like "most Switch games look fine on my sister's 55" TV".

There are 15,000 Switch games and I never claimed that "most" of them failed to look fine" on a 55". Rather you have substantiated that casual gamers (your sister) own the types of TVs that are a bad look for some of their most important games (Zelda), unlike you who thought ahead and have a C1. Thanks.

It's a big deal because it applies pressure on Nintendo to get a new console out before their reputation for power in general erodes too badly. I think TOTK was the limit and they can't get away with another one; Switch Pro would have helped earlier and Switch 2 was pretty much forbidden from going another year because they were against a wall before the lack of hardware power began hurting the brand to casual perception.

You guys act like it's no big deal yet when Switch 2 offers closer parity to PS5 experience on a TV it will be a very very very big deal.

 

[MMaRsu]

The only way Switch games look "awesome" on my LG OLED is if I use Ryujinx

 

[Melon Husk]

I'm sure they'll add it in later as an update...

 

[Mozza]

Nintendo is run by people who area aware of what their own problems are instead of people who will pretend everything is fine which is why they will continue to be a success.

I have continually asserted that many of Nintendo's biggest, most important AAA games look like trash on the type of TV set in the average casual customers living room, which is their audience.

Instead of being able to acknowledge this obvious massive big deal for Nintendo to correct that they do not wish and never wished to find themselves in, you just deflect with other, also true statements that have no bearing on it whatsoever, like "most Switch games look fine on my sister's 55" TV".

There are 15,000 Switch games and I never claimed that "most" of them failed to look fine" on a 55". Rather you have substantiated that casual gamers (your sister) own the types of TVs that are a bad look for some of their most important games (Zelda), unlike you who thought ahead and have a C1. Thanks.

It's a big deal because it applies pressure on Nintendo to get a new console out before their reputation for power in general erodes too badly. I think TOTK was the limit and they can't get away with another one; Switch Pro would have helped earlier and Switch 2 was pretty much forbidden from going another year because they were against a wall before the lack of hardware power began hurting the brand to casual perception.

You guys act like it's no big deal yet when Switch 2 offers closer parity to PS5 experience on a TV it will be a very very very big deal.

Any resolution at around 1080p will look fine on larger sets. I have a JVC 4k projector and a 110 inch screen and the Switch looks fine on that even BOTW. Now if put a DVD on my projector set up it looks awful so there is a limit. But on sets 65 inches and less not so much.

Of course this is a subjective opinion like your assertion of some top games looking trash on certain T.V's. So you keep on knocking anecdotal accounts but them come back with your own anecdotal and subjective opinions, and then try to pass them off as some sort of objective facts.

You then suggest stuff looks poor on cheaper T.V sets but yet all other consoles look fine on these... Yea right.

 

[RoboFu]

So why do we think this is? Dock hdmi pass through isn't compatible ? Or worse the Usbc they are using don't have enough bandwith?

 

[REDRZA MWS]

What were you expecting from Nintendo? Anything anywhere even remotely modern? Let alone "next gen"??

Nintendo makes Toys, not hardware.

 

[BlackTron]

Any resolution at around 1080p will look fine on larger sets. I have a JVC 4k projector and a 110 inch screen and the Switch looks fine on that even BOTW. Now if put a DVD on my projector set up it looks awful so there is a limit. But on sets 65 inches and less not so much.

Of course this is a subjective opinion like your assertion of some top games looking trash on certain T.V's. So you keep on knocking anecdotal accounts but them come back with your own anecdotal and subjective opinions, and then try to pass them off as some sort of objective facts.

You then suggest stuff looks poor on cheaper T.V sets but yet all other consoles look fine on these... Yea right.

Projector is same as TV blah blah blah

 

[scydrex]

The Switch was marketed as a hybrid device and has a dedicated dock that is inclded with it. But we could just call them all videogame consoles.

The steam deck has a dock too. So it's a hybrid indeed.

 

[LordOcidax]

The steam deck has a dock too. So it's a hybrid indeed.

 

[Mozza]

The steam deck has a dock too. So it's a hybrid indeed.

Without a doubt.

 

[Mozza]

Projector is same as TV blah blah blah

Depends on the projector. Again this comes down to price.

 

[BlackTron]

Depends on the projector. Again this comes down to price.

Keep auto generating excuses for Nintendo man, even when they don't need one

 

[Mozza]

Keep auto generating excuses for Nintendo man, even when they don't need one

I do sound like a broken record by now but I am not making any excuses. Like I said VRR would be a great benefit. I just do not agree that the masses care or that the original Switch and some of it's games look rubbish on larger screens. The TV's that have isses are not the best. You can hardly blme Nintendo or anyone else for the TV the customer connects their console to lol.

 

[delirium trigger]

I do sound like a broken record by now but I am not making any excuses. Like I said VRR would be a great benefit. I just do not agree that the masses care or that the original Switch and some of it's games look rubbish on larger screens. The TV's that have isses are not the best. You can hardly blme Nintendo or anyone else for the TV the customer connects their console to lol.

My sister has a six inch tv in her shoe closet and the switch looks amazing on it. Not quite GTA VI but approaching.

 

[Gambit2483]

The steam deck has a dock too. So it's a hybrid indeed.

PSVITA and GBA also had "docks"/TV outs...would you consider those as hybrids as well?

 

[Bitstream]

PSVITA and GBA also had "docks"/TV outs...would you consider those as hybrids as well?

I'd consider a hybrid console to be one that has separate performance profiles whether it is in handheld mode or docked.
Being able to plug in a power cable and HDMI doesn't make it a hybrid anymore than connecting a laptop to a monitor makes it a desktop computer.

 

[fastest finger]

So why do we think this is? Dock hdmi pass through isn't compatible ? Or worse the Usbc they are using don't have enough bandwith?

There really is no excuse for Nintendo using substandard components.

The USB C port on the front of a PS5 can output 4K at 120fps with HDR plus additional data transmission and power simultaneously. The DP Alt Mode used is perfectly capable of VRR. And that isn't even its primary output port.

Nintendo swerving this feels stupid, particularly when it's the console that will arguably need it the most.

 

[rodrigolfp]

It's true. MK8 can be downsampled from above 4k and be a better showcase than the majority of PS5/XBSs blurry crap IQs games.

 

[Kataploom]

Any resolution at around 1080p will look fine on larger sets. I have a JVC 4k projector and a 110 inch screen and the Switch looks fine on that even BOTW. Now if put a DVD on my projector set up it looks awful so there is a limit. But on sets 65 inches and less not so much.

Of course this is a subjective opinion like your assertion of some top games looking trash on certain T.V's. So you keep on knocking anecdotal accounts but them come back with your own anecdotal and subjective opinions, and then try to pass them off as some sort of objective facts.

You then suggest stuff looks poor on cheaper T.V sets but yet all other consoles look fine on these... Yea right.

Imo anything native 900p and above like good enough on my 43" TV, I sit at like 1.5 meters BTW, not too far, I think it's like 4 feet or so.

The problem is 720p and above specially if they have any form of temporal AA, shit will just lol wrong like Xenoblade games, they have no salvation already, were they at least 1080p native the games would be almost perfect graphically.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

The original Switch supported up to 1080p but the home menu was still at 720p. I would imagine the Switch 2 home screen will be at least 1080p resolution.

I just told you that it can be set higher.

 

[ResurrectedContrarian]

which is some 55" thing from Walmart.

The reality is that I'd wager the vast majority of those people are spending most of their time still watching 1080p content on that set.

Netflix for instance-- a huge portion of TV watching in US -- requires an extra "premium" tier to access 4k streaming, and I've known zero people to spring for that extra option regardless of the device in their home. And Nintendo hasn't been at the forefront of TV tech for decades, they've consistently supported "one generation back" (eg. Wii U was first to have any HD output, released for Christmas 2012).

Again, few people buy Nintendo for ultra image IQ on a giant set. Their games aren't really designed for an ultra-hd experience to begin with. I stand by the claim that you'd find less than 5% (probably less than 1%) of Nintendo Switch 2 purchasers would care at all about VRR support from it. It's not that kind of product. And people plug different levels of resolution into their sets all the time (eg spending all their time on 1080p streaming content from various sources with compression artifacts) without caring.

 

[Mozza]

I just told you that it can be set higher.

I know the new Switch 2 will allow up to 4k resolution during gamepaly. The same way the original Switch could be set ip to 1080p. But that did not stop Nintendo capping the home screen meny at 720p.

 

[Edmund]

Mozza = Punished Miku equivalent of Nintendo fan

LordOcidax = adamsapple equivalent of Nintendo fan

 

[sn0man]

Wow that's pretty shitty.

They probably removed support so they can keep that as a value add for the OLED model down the line.

I threw up in my mouth as that sound very likely.

 

[Dirk Benedict]

Honestly my beef with nintendo is the fact they used to be more pro consumer then they used to be. Now they just put two middle fingers in the air and try nickle and diming consumers over every little thing to the point that it's insane. The biggest one to me that happened a couple of years ago is when they lauched the 3D mario all-stars collection on switch only for a limited time and then stopped selling it both physically and on the nintendo e-shop loll.

Sounds like a Disney Vault-like bullshit move.

 

[ItsGreat]

This is heartbreaking news.

Question for the experts: is it still possible to be added later on this dock?

Heartbreaking? That's a tad melodramatic.

 

[baphomet]

PSVITA and GBA also had "docks"/TV outs...would you consider those as hybrids as well?

Neither of those had any sort of TV out.

Vita not even with expensive mods.

Unless you're counting the PlayStation TV.

 

[BlackTron]

I have a LG B4, and i can tell you that MK8 is a better showcase for OLED tvs than the majority of Series X and PS5 games… Even without HDR. But yes, below 60fps is not that good. There are others games like Smash and the Tourist that looks really good.

It does look great on mine. But we could go on all day like this. Best to just agree to disagree.

These things can both be true. Actually, it is believable that MK8 looks better than a "majority" of Xbox/PS games because it has lots of very vibrant, popping colors. Think about how OLEDs are displayed in the store with lots of color like up close shots of exotic frogs and shit; MK8 is a chance for the TV to flex this while everything is moving along at 60FPS.

At the same time, at 55" the antialiasing gets much worse. The colors are still impressive on OLED but other things start falling apart, but it's not as bad as Zelda where the dynamic resolution and FPS still crashes so bad that it looks ridiculous on a TV at that size.

Mozza, the thing is the very first statement I made about Switch games falling apart is that they do on TV sets at that size. So you told me I'm wrong because you have a TV set of the same size as an old one I kept JUST for Switch to solve this problem. Then you claim that a TV and a projector are the same thing for purposes of discussing display performance. In other words "it does look great on mine" is a lie, you do not have a 55" TV, nevermind a 55" OLED. You should grab your Switch and drop it on the dock at your sisters house to play TOTK at 55" for a half hour, then come back to apologize.

 

[ItsGreat]

These things can both be true. Actually, it is believable that MK8 looks better than a "majority" of Xbox/PS games because it has lots of very vibrant, popping colors. Think about how OLEDs are displayed in the store with lots of color like up close shots of exotic frogs and shit; MK8 is a chance for the TV to flex this while everything is moving along at 60FPS.

At the same time, at 55" the antialiasing gets much worse. The colors are still impressive on OLED but other things start falling apart, but it's not as bad as Zelda where the dynamic resolution and FPS still crashes so bad that it looks ridiculous on a TV at that size.

Mozza, the thing is the very first statement I made about Switch games falling apart is that they do on TV sets at that size. So you told me I'm wrong because you have a TV set of the same size as an old one I kept JUST for Switch to solve this problem. Then you claim that a TV and a projector are the same thing for purposes of discussing display performance. In other words "it does look great on mine" is a lie, you do not have a 55" TV, nevermind a 55" OLED. You should grab your Switch and drop it on the dock at your sisters house to play TOTK at 55" for a half hour, then come back to apologize.

You're really reaching here. Can't you just accept that Nintendo are making a console for the masses and not the niche hole picking nerds?

 

[Mozza]

These things can both be true. Actually, it is believable that MK8 looks better than a "majority" of Xbox/PS games because it has lots of very vibrant, popping colors. Think about how OLEDs are displayed in the store with lots of color like up close shots of exotic frogs and shit; MK8 is a chance for the TV to flex this while everything is moving along at 60FPS.

At the same time, at 55" the antialiasing gets much worse. The colors are still impressive on OLED but other things start falling apart, but it's not as bad as Zelda where the dynamic resolution and FPS still crashes so bad that it looks ridiculous on a TV at that size.

Mozza, the thing is the very first statement I made about Switch games falling apart is that they do on TV sets at that size. So you told me I'm wrong because you have a TV set of the same size as an old one I kept JUST for Switch to solve this problem. Then you claim that a TV and a projector are the same thing for purposes of discussing display performance. In other words "it does look great on mine" is a lie, you do not have a 55" TV, nevermind a 55" OLED. You should grab your Switch and drop it on the dock at your sisters house to play TOTK at 55" for a half hour, then come back to apologize.

Is there something wrong with you. I moved on from this pointless debate after your last unhinged post. Zelda looks fine on my sisters set. Yes the visuals are not up to the standard of a AAA title on the PS5 or Series X. But in reality it was never going to be. But it still looks pretty good. Lets just agree to disagree.

 

[BlackTron]

Is there something wrong with you. I moved on from this pointless debate after your last unhinged post. Zelda looks fine on my sisters set. Yes the visuals are not up to the standard of a AAA title on the PS5 or Series X. But in reality it was never going to be. But it still looks pretty good. Lets just agree to disagree.

Since we were talking about how it looks on a 55" TV from the start, it's a little weird that you had to pass through a 48" TV and a huge projector before finally arriving at Zelda on the same thing we're talking about, but I 100% believe you really have tested it, lol.

 

[BlackTron]

You're really reaching here. Can't you just accept that Nintendo are making a console for the masses and not the niche hole picking nerds?

Which part is reaching? My first claim is about Mario Kart 8 on Switch 1 which is an old console. My second claim isn't flattering to Nintendo.

 

[Mozza]

Since we were talking about how it looks on a 55" TV from the start, it's a little weird that you had to pass through a 48" TV and a huge projector before finally arriving at Zelda on the same thing we're talking about, but I 100% believe you really have tested it, lol.

Like I have said I have connected my Switch to both and tried all my games on them and they look fine. Not sure what else to tell you. My projector looks fine with anything from 1080p and above. In fact it looks even better upscaled to 4K..

 

[KungFucius]

The HDMI cable that comes with the Switch 2 is allegedly Ultra High Speed. This means 2.1

Nintendo would not put HDMI 2.1 cable if the spec would be 2.0. OLED switch was HDMI 2.0/2.0b premium high speed cable.

The famiboard part list leak a while ago along with a ton of rumours put the dock converter as the Realtek RTD2175 which nobody has the spec. So while peoples were speculating on RTD2173 as being similar, nobody really knew.

But guess what PS5 slim uses?

Chipset which is displayport v1.4 to HDMI 2.1 converter.

VRR works on PS5 slim right?

So all in all its probably that the HDMI Forum compliance testing hasn't been completed. If there's some compatibility issue for some other reason like the cablematters cable which received firmware updates to fix it

Incredible how messy this HDMI seems to be for all of this.

Why would they not simply say, it will come in a future FW update when this is obviously pissing people off? They have enough negativity around the cost of the units, the accessories and the games that adding to it is just moronic.

 

[BlackTron]

Like I have said I have connected my Switch to both and tried all my games on them and they look fine. Not sure what else to tell you. My projector looks fine with anything from 1080p and above. In fact it looks even better upscaled to 4K..

I'm sorry but this projector shit is a joke, have a nice day lol

 

[DeepEnigma]

Such an odd decision. Must be a technical reason due to the dock and latency needed for VRR to operate.

 

[Mozza]

I'm sorry but this projector shit is a joke, have a nice day lol

Pretty decent projector to be honest. But I guess if people buy poor quality stuff then that's what they are comparing things too. Another factor you overlook is the settings. Most T.V's need setting up properly. I was at my sisters for a while getting her TV set up correctly.

 

[scydrex]

PSVITA and GBA also had "docks"/TV outs...would you consider those as hybrids as well?

Don't ask me. Ask mozza about it. He is the one saying the switch is a hybrid because it has a dock. LOL