Valjean Lafitte
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Its good, but considering how much money they spent on that game (all-star team of game composers and a 100% orchestral soundtrack), I wonder if its enough.
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Its good, but considering how much money they spent on that game (all-star team of game composers and a 100% orchestral soundtrack), I wonder if its enough.
Freezie KO
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It was marketed very well also. Collectible cards, a cartoon, demos in Best Buy, etc.
Fantastic game. It's a shame it didn't do better.
StreetsAhead
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The game was more expensive (at least in Japan) than regular first party games. I don't think a few AR cards and the stand cost an extra 10 dollars (it's a $1 cheaper than NSMBU in Japan). Plus, the sales of the AR cards may have helped some.
I wonder if part of the reason it didn't sell as well as it needed had to do with the alienating controls scaring some people away?
it wasn't just any old game thrown together though, it was a huge development. project sora folded into nintendo afterwards. i've seen the game numerous times in budget sales. really can't find anything at all that points to it being considered a success.
Freezie KO
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Very possible. Also possible that the stand did more harm than good. I've put hours into the game and didn't use the stand once (although the controls did take time getting used to).
But for a lot of people, I wonder if they saw this game and said, "I have to play this with a stand?" Or if they saw the stand's inclusion as an admission that the controls were fundamentally broken?
Over 1 million units for a 3DS game...
Knowing Nintendo's development practices, I can't imagine that wasn't profitable.
Valjean Lafitte
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Its a shame, because the game doesn't really force you to play with the stylus. I beat the game just fine by using XYBA to target/move the camera.
wasn't really developed by nintendo
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Which makes me wonder whether Kid Icarus: Uprising is the perfect candidate for a (modern) HD port to Wii U, to take advantage of the dual analog?
Yet the budget, marketing and principle development was almost assuredly entirely controlled by Nintendo.
1.18M units is probably 30-45M in revenue. Hard to see how the game could have cost that much, even with marketing. I doubt that even Skyward Sword cost that much to develop.
It is but it has not really been Nintendo's style to port games from one platform to another inside a generation.
I would totally play a Wii U Port of KI:U though. 3DS controls are too much for me to handle.
Valjean Lafitte
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Freezie KO
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i'm sure kid icarus: uprising cost more than skyward sword to develop. it was a huge game and a highly ambitious project, did you do any research into it at all? jesus, they probably spent double that 30-45M on advertising expenses alone
Game doesn't fit pointer, Stylus was pretty painful.
Gotta say, an HD version with dual analog support might actually let me like the game.
Games like Halo 3 and Killzone 2 wound up costing Microsoft and Sony about 60M each, AFTER marketing. That's with new engine technology, early in a next-gen cycle.
I know Nintendo had massive advertising costs for stuff like Wii Fit. I'm finding myself doubting that they've ever spent that much on a real game.
Valjean Lafitte
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Have you tried mapping the camera aiming reticule to X, Y, B, A? I know its clunky, but I got used to it and managed to get better at the game than I ever was using the stylus to aim.
It's kid Icarus not GTA, I really doubt they even came close to 30M
isn't the advertising expense in a game like GTA 150M?
how much you think it costs to make all of this crap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQFOXGs6cXs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOZN-WZ8kW4
airing commercials across three major territories, not to mention all of the other dozens of different forms of advertising they tried to get the word out about this game
That's how I wound up playing the game, but I still think that's pretty inferior to dual analog.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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You must really like david bowie..
i was on a kick when the next day released. it dropped off and only picked up again recently. i gotta get back into it. still haven't listened to two of his 90s albums, reality, heathen, or let's dance (or his less popular works like tonight and never let me down).
so...Omikron, the Nomad Soul 2 confirmed as Wii U exclusive?
Mihael Mello Keehl
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I really dont even listen to him but I noticed thats 2-3rd time you posted one of songs in this thread
edit: actually thats 1 whole album
StreetsAhead
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Still would have been less than Skyward Sword, a game that took 5 years and input from at least 3 different Nintendo subsidiaries (NCL, SRD, Monolith) and an outside company (Digital Media Lab) to make and one of their flagship series with a marketing campaign involving Robin Williams and his daughter. No way in heck that Kid Icarus' budget outdid that.
Don't tell me 18 minutes of mostly cheapish looking animation cost that much. And even stuff like Paper Mario and Luigi's Mansion got those sort of CG commercials, too.
oh i only posted heroes before low.
heroes, as an album, has catchier songs. low more or less a bunch of music without lyrics. i think that one's meant to be listened to the whole way through.
Guys we just got our first look at Smash Bros 4http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkKgnU-rzfY
And while we're at it, the next Zelda, too!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annota...&feature=iv&src_vid=QkKgnU-rzfY&v=X8yqwvYo5PA
i don't believe skyward sword was in active development for 5 years. there is no 5 years worth of content in that game. the costs are also dramatically lowered because it's all in-house. kid icarus: uprising is outsourced work from what i'm aware. compare the credit rolls and i'm pretty sure kid icarus involved more talent.
i'm sure paper mario and luigi's mansion incur advertising expense, too. it is inevitable. advertising costs is beginning to cost just as much as game development nowadays, nintendo is not exempt from that. those animations might not cost much but you add all of the expenses together and i can see that easily doubling the 30M sales it supposedly made (which is probably highballing as well)
kid icarus:
-fully voiced (and throughout the game)
-larger box
-custom stand
-qr cards
-anime project
-television advertisements
it was a pretty fucking expensive game, especially for nintendo. they might have made profit on it, but i doubt it was a lot. those 3ds/vita game cards are expensive.
the combination of greater dev costs to produce games and the still-high cost of cards/carts are the things making dedicated handheld development difficult for third parties these days, and partially why the psp was so attractive to some companies despite the ds's much larger userbase. it was way easier to turn a profit with umds.
-fully voiced (and throughout the game)
-larger box
-custom stand
-qr cards
-anime project
-television advertisements
it was a pretty fucking expensive game, especially for nintendo. they might have made profit on it, but i doubt it was a lot. those 3ds/vita game cards are expensive.
the combination of greater dev costs to produce games and the still-high cost of cards/carts are the things making dedicated handheld development difficult for third parties these days, and partially why the psp was so attractive to some companies despite the ds's much larger userbase. it was way easier to turn a profit with umds.
KillerTravis
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And while we're at it, the next Zelda, too!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annota...&feature=iv&src_vid=QkKgnU-rzfY&v=X8yqwvYo5PA
Wow great production values on these videos and both of them on June 3? Could this be an elaborated viral marketing attempt by Nintendo?
lol there were like.. 120~150 people involved on kid icarus over 2.5 years. if it was like 2 million dollars, these paid professionals made about 5000$ per year. that's not including any of the voice work, localization, bug testing, support, rent, software tools, and all of the marketing costs. no way on earth. i doubt even games like Pushmo were this cheap. maybe Marvelous could do it if they were smart and frugal, but nintendo is too large to play around with cheap risks like that. quality costs money
Yes, I didn't say 2 mil. but more than 10-15 mil. seems insane to me. There are 2 possibilities:
1. Nintendo took a gamble and made no/little profit for this game to attract core gamers and die hard fans.
2. Nintendo didn't spend that much money and still made quite a profit.
We will probably never know but it seems ridiculous to spend 50 mil. on a 3DS game, that's how much PS360 exclusives cost.
I read on some website that 3DS development costs should be the same as for Wii. Even if Kid Icarus was a high budget game it still wouldn't cost that much.
not going to get into numbers, but I'd also imagine Sakurai's demands are law to Iwata, I doubt he'd want to ruin a relationship that has made and continues to make the company millions over a 3ds game.
3. nintendo does what nintendo does and they identify ideas for games that could be a hit, then fund them? that's been their entire business model as far back as i can remember. it isn't about aiming to create no profit or being cheap sp they can flip a quick buck, it's trying to find the next big thing and make it theirs.
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dunno its lookin kinda fishy to me
joffocakes
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How did it sell? I know there was quite a bit of negativity about the controls but most people who persevered seemed to absolutely love it.
I'd like a sequel on Wii U.
Not for a while according to Sakurai. Kid Icarus sold 1.18 million copies as of March 31st 2013.
Lending staff out to complete the game in time I suppose.
Valjean Lafitte
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Mihael Mello Keehl
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Any leaks? No? Ok. Going back to sleep.
according to an old post I found Keichi Ono (who directed disaster) was responsible for:
LiberaTeExInferis
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Bingo...a Wii game, should have been and even though i did enjoy it, everything-control wise- would be better with the Wiimote...
Valjean Lafitte
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Huh. I know they're a first party subsidiary now, but still...weird.
If they do make a Kid Icarus sequel, I hope they find a way to incorporate Orcos from the Game Boy game.
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