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Nintendo more than Zelda for Cube?

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Shikamaru Ninja

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How many more GameCube games do you think Nintendo has internally going. Is Zelda the last and only game? I don't understand why so many people are obsessed with Nintendo foregoing a Super Mario sequel on GameCube in favor or a sequel next year on revolution. Don't you people understand the Mario Bros. franchise is facing a crisis. Super Mario Sunshine is the only Mario game we got this generation. You think Nintendo should be content and feel secure enough with the franchise even though the reviews and sales were the worst since... well, the worst ever!

The truth is Nintendo has dedicated a great deal of resources on the Nintendo DS. The GBA teams, GCN-GBA connectivity teams, and a great deal of EAD are working on the Nintendo DS currently. Looks like Nintendo is very scared and threattened and hoping that its internal teams can come up with some magic to save the DS from losing the handheld platform race to SONY. The DS is receiving more inhouse developed games (NCL Kyoto, NCL Tokyo, NST) in a short-span of time than ever done since the days of NES.

So is Eiji Aonuma and Legend of Zelda team the last pure Nintendo effort we will see on the Nintendo GameCube? Will we see Super Mario 128? Will we see a new Nintendo Tokyo game?
 
when exactly would Mario 128 come out? At this point, the Cube is such a lost cause they would be crazy to bring out another block-buster type game. Why not hold off on Mario and let it launch Revolution? A big part of the reason the Cube ended up where it is today is the fact taht it had a shit launch line up. The Revolution needs all the help it can get for the up coming fight.
 
Hopefully there are more unannounced games in development from Nintendo for Gamecube. Mario 128 should be moved to Revolution, though. I don't want to wait until 2008 for a next-gen Mario. Don't you think that a Mario game for the launch of a new console will mean more for the series than a second Mario game for a struggling console in its twilight years? Mario DS will be available in the meantime, anyway.

Shikamaru Ninja said:
The DS is receiving more inhouse developed games (NCL Kyoto, NCL Tokyo, NST) in a short-span of time than ever done since the days of NES.
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Good. They're focused on something now, which hasn't been the case for the past five years or so.
 
they can get away with it if they SHOW mario 128 on revolution this e3. A video of a next gen mario will get people very excited.... it will mark the end of the gamecube, but as long as people see that it is coming and it looks awesome, they will accept it. I really think an awesome trailer for a next gen mario could really launch the revolution hype in a big way at this years e3 even if that is all they show.
 
Prince of Space said:
WHY?
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Because they hate you. And me. All all nintendo fans.


How the hell are they planning a #@%$& revolution while all their teams are making crappy 2d games? Right now I'm only expecting Mario and Zelda for next-gen (wave race will probably be developed by NST and they don't count). I'm not sure if they're going to introduce new franchises like I hoped. :'(
 
Shikamaru Ninja said:
The truth is Nintendo has dedicated a great deal of resources on the Nintendo DS. The GBA teams, GCN-GBA connectivity teams, and a great deal of EAD are working on the Nintendo DS currently. Looks like Nintendo is very scared and threattened and hoping that its internal teams can come up with some magic to save the DS from losing the handheld platform race to SONY. The DS is receiving more inhouse developed games (NCL Kyoto, NCL Tokyo, NST) in a short-span of time than ever done since the days of NES.
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you'd think nintendo would release the DS after they developed killer software for it. you know, hardware is only a means to the end of creating better software. guess it really is a stop-gap to fend off the PSP.
 
Shikamaru Ninja said:
How many more GameCube games do you think Nintendo has internally going. Is Zelda the last and only game? I don't understand why so many people are obsessed with Nintendo foregoing a Super Mario sequel on GameCube in favor or a sequel next year on revolution. Don't you people understand the Mario Bros. franchise is facing a crisis. Super Mario Sunshine is the only Mario game we got this generation. You think Nintendo should be content and feel secure enough with the franchise even though the reviews and sales were the worst since... well, the worst ever!

The truth is Nintendo has dedicated a great deal of resources on the Nintendo DS. The GBA teams, GCN-GBA connectivity teams, and a great deal of EAD are working on the Nintendo DS currently. Looks like Nintendo is very scared and threattened and hoping that its internal teams can come up with some magic to save the DS from losing the handheld platform race to SONY. The DS is receiving more inhouse developed games (NCL Kyoto, NCL Tokyo, NST) in a short-span of time than ever done since the days of NES.

So is Eiji Aonuma and Legend of Zelda team the last pure Nintendo effort we will see on the Nintendo GameCube? Will we see Super Mario 128? Will we see a new Nintendo Tokyo game?
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Aren't you the NCL expert? :P

Are you trying to give us a hint on what to expect at E3? Tons of DS titles? Eh? New Mario? Eh?
 
Seems like there will be some stuff trickling out after Zelda...

The new Mario Kart & Donkey Konga 3 are two possibilities. Backward compatibility only increases the likelihood of continued support (though it seems obvious that 2004 was the peak for GC software support).
 
Super Mario Advance GBA Team -----------> Super Mario 64 DS
The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures ------------> The Legend of Zelda DS
EAD GameCube Project Unreleased ---------------> Yoshi Touch N Go
R&D2 Pocket Music / GBA Music Unreleased ----------------> Band Brothers
EAD Unreleased Project / Mario Kart: Double Dash Team -------------> Nintendogs
Pokemon Box / Mario kart: Double Dash Team ------------> Mario Kart: DS
Animal Crossing Team ----------> Animal Crossing DS

I wish I knew who developed Yakuman DS. Anyone own the game??
 
suaveric said:
when exactly would Mario 128 come out? At this point, the Cube is such a lost cause they would be crazy to bring out another block-buster type game. Why not hold off on Mario and let it launch Revolution? A big part of the reason the Cube ended up where it is today is the fact taht it had a shit launch line up. The Revolution needs all the help it can get for the up coming fight.
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As has been expressed by others in the past, Mario 128 should release on the Gamecube because it's a game that was designed with this generation in mind. Look at what happens with games that get pushed into the next gen. You get Stone Keep, you get Daikatana, you get Eternal Darkness and Star Fox Adventures. Games that probably would have been well recieved if they had launched when they were originally supposed to, but failed because the market had moved on to better things by the time they finally came out the gates.
 
another question: do you think that Gamecube will have as much, and as long of a
"post-dead life" has Dreamcast has had?


don't answer that unless you know at least a fair amount of all the things that have come out for Dreamcast from 2002 on, both commercial and homebrew.
 
RE4 vs. SH4 said:
Look at what happens with games that get pushed into the next gen. You get Stone Keep, you get Daikatana, you get Eternal Darkness and Star Fox Adventures. Games that probably would have been well recieved if they had launched when they were originally supposed to, but failed because the market had moved on to better things by the time they finally came out the gates.
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This is a good point. I guess it comes down to how far in development Mario 128 really is. With the way Nintendo has operated in the past, it's entirely possible that ideas for Mario 128 are what sparked whatever unique qualities the Revolution is going to have. Since Nintendo hasn't commented on the game in a long time now, that would seem to be a strong possibility.
 
I'd think even with a "failing" console they would push the release schedule a little better. It's Dreamcastesque, which doesn't make sense because this isn't Sega. There's a lot of masochists on GAF who think financial health of Nintendo first, enjoyment second, but I'd guess there's more than a few kids out there who bought the system thinking it kind of sucks watching all their friends get good games for Xbox and PS2 every week or two. I'm not talking GAF types, just people who pick up games and like Nintendo, who aren't involved in system wars or that crap. They have to feel pretty dissapointed, I remember some sore customers after and during the N64. They didn't abandon it and invest anything emotionally in Playstation, they just wanted a system with steady support that had the big games.
 
If Nintendo truly is devoting so many resources to the DS (E3 had better be big then), then I suppose there won't be much left for the GC. I agree that the next Mario should be on the GC, though. This is without knowing what exactly the Revolution could add, of course, besides graphics.

But if Nintendo could have quit fiddling with their dicks and released the oft-heard-of Mario 128 last year, we could be looking at another Mario for launch in 2006 (?). But with their incessant tinkering, the project, if it is the same one, stands to pass another system altogether. And that bites. I just want the gameplay that I know will rock so hard. I'm not concerned about what is good for the bottom end... just give me the games. The sooner any game comes out, the sooner those resources are freed, and the sooner their next game is released - and so forth.
 
There's still Mario 128, Pokemon XD, Kirby, Mario Kart Arcade (unless they up the graphics and port it to Revolution for launch) Mario Baseball, Mario Slam Dunk, and another Wario Ware game. (Not from Aries, I've heard this from somewhere else. Though, it might be ported for a second-wave Revolution game to help people adapt to the controls.) That seems like plenty to hold us over until Spring 2006, plus I'm sure there are still a few more unnanounced GameCube games, like "Yoshi! For Nintendo Gamecube."
 
They may as well rename it the one hit wonder, because the only game I want for it is Zelda, it'll come this fall, I'll buy a GC - beat the game and probably sell it off. The rest are low niche series games. Their in for a hurting this year.
 
Mario is a low nich series game!? WTF?? Kirby, I can understand. Mario Baseball and Slam Dunk, those too. Mario Kart I can kinda understand. Pokemon is barely understandable. (You either like it or you don't) But Mario!? Say it ain't so!
 
WordAssassin said:
Mario is a low nich series game!? WTF?? Kirby, I can understand. Mario Baseball and Slam Dunk, those too. Mario Kart I can kinda understand. Pokemon is barely understandable. (You either like it or you don't) But Mario!? Say it ain't so!
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Mario 128 hasn't been announced yet. If its for GC, thats two games I would get.
 
Shikamaru Ninja said:
Super Mario Advance GBA Team -----------> Super Mario 64 DS
The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures ------------> The Legend of Zelda DS
EAD GameCube Project Unreleased ---------------> Yoshi Touch N Go
R&D2 Pocket Music / GBA Music Unreleased ----------------> Band Brothers
EAD Unreleased Project / Mario Kart: Double Dash Team -------------> Nintendogs
Pokemon Box / Mario kart: Double Dash Team ------------> Mario Kart: DS
Animal Crossing Team ----------> Animal Crossing DS
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This makes no sense to me. Why focus your internal development on a platform with great third party support when one of your other systems faces a couple of months with almost no releases at all?
 
This year alone, confirmed/released:

-Fire Emblem GC
-SFA
-Geist
-Pennant Chase Baseball
-RE4 (10 month exclusive)
-WWE:DOR2
-Mario Baseball
-Advance Wars:GC
-DK:JB
-LOZ
-Donkey Konga 2
-Harvest Moon: Poem of Happiness
-Sonic Collection 2
-DDR w/Mario
-Odama
-Pokemon XD
-Kirby Adventure
-Chaos Field

Other cross-platformers

-SC:Ghost
-Shadow the Hedgehog
-Batman Begins
-Madden NFL 06
-Need for Speed Most Wanted
-James Bond 007: From Russia With Love
-Prince of Persia 3
-SSX On Tour
-Killer 7
-Tony Hawk's Underground 3
-Teen Titans
-Ultimate Spider-Man
-Spartan: Total Warrior
-Zatch Bell
-One Piece Grand Battle
-Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon 2

Etc. Yes its 3rd party support is definitely on the downward spiral, but let's not over-exaggerate its early demise. DK3, Mario 128, the unconfirmed Sonic, Mario Kart GP possibly, & no one really knows what else for '06. And Shikamura, if Nighttrain is to be believed, Nintendo won't have to release as many 1st party titles for the Revolution to be attractive, or seen as a contender within the marketplace. NST, Brownie Brown, Camelot, & Retro have already started titles for the Revolution. EAD will surely be there as well. The were right to focus R&D content on the DS imo, the PSP is a very serious threat. Innovative as well as quality software is the only way to successfully combat it. (given its technological advantage) But the R&D time for the DS is nothing compared to full-fledged GC or Revolution development. This is simply taking precedence right now, as it should.
 
Everyone talks about Mario Sunshine like it was a flop, but it did pretty damn well both criticially and in terms of sales.

Compared to previous games...well yeah, but given the instal base and trends (ie platformers ain't everything no mo), I think a better comparison is relative to all other Cube games, where it's, what, #2 or 3 in sales? And probably near the top in reviews with a 92% from gamerankings?
 
Can we really not wait like...a week and a bit to find out?

Even then I don't think we can be sure we'll have seen all of the GC's remaining lineup. It's not like we knew about Pokemon XD, Kirby, Mario Baseball, Donkey Konga 3 (I think...we could have guessed that one though), DDR with Mario or NPCB last E3. In fact, we only heard about any of them late 2004/early 2005.

A lot of this depends on the Revolution's schedule of course. If it's coming early-mid 2005, Nintendo won't need much after Zelda, 2 or 3 decently sized first party games and filler titles would do. If it's late 2006 though, they're going to need bigger guns brought out.

I'd predict a new Tokyo title myself, maybe shown at E3.
 
Shikamaru Ninja said:
Super Mario Advance GBA Team -----------> Super Mario 64 DS
The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures ------------> The Legend of Zelda DS
EAD GameCube Project Unreleased ---------------> Yoshi Touch N Go
R&D2 Pocket Music / GBA Music Unreleased ----------------> Band Brothers
EAD Unreleased Project / Mario Kart: Double Dash Team -------------> Nintendogs
Pokemon Box / Mario kart: Double Dash Team ------------> Mario Kart: DS
Animal Crossing Team ----------> Animal Crossing DS

I wish I knew who developed Yakuman DS. Anyone own the game??
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EAD GameCube Project Unreleased -> Mario 128?
 
Li Mu Bai said:
Nintendo won't have to release as many 1st party titles for the Revolution to be attractive, or seen as a contender within the marketplace. NST, Brownie Brown, Camelot, & Retro have already started titles for the Revolution. EAD will surely be there as well.
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apparently IRD too :)
 
The truth is Nintendo has dedicated a great deal of resources on the Nintendo DS. The GBA teams, GCN-GBA connectivity teams, and a great deal of EAD are working on the Nintendo DS currently
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please focus on Zelda :/
 
I hope IRD are making a Pilotwings. I guess Punch-Out would be the smarter bet.

Something new would be nice of course.
 
Mama Smurf said:
I hope IRD are making a Pilotwings. I guess Punch-Out would be the smarter bet.

Something new would be nice of course.
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indeed. But one cannot forget pilotwings, kid icarus or punch out.
 
Shiggy said:
Camelot Software Planning -> 3rd Party
Brownie Brown -> 1st or 2nd Party (I think 2nd)
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Wanted to tell you I read your recent Nintendo FAQ on nintendo's internal and 1st-party teams, and I have to say it revealed a *lot* I didn't know. what I'd like to know, however, is what position is Browny Brown in? Are they a first party, completely owned by a Nintendo, a 2nd-party, or a loyal 3rd-party, like Camelot or Factor 5? Also, isn't Retro now a first-party?
-Eric

Patrick: To clear things up, then: Brownie Brown is a fully owned Nintendo subsidiary, meaning Nintendo owns a whopping 100% of the company.
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http://www.n-sider.com/columnview.php?columnid=49
 
I'm pretty sure Camelot is a 2nd party, too, not a 3rd party.

Name a Camelot game released for a non-nintendo machine since the Mario sports games of the N64.

Done?

Now, name a Camelot game released period since those games that HASN'T been published by Nintendo.

Yeah, 2nd party.
 
I think Nintendo's silence has more to do with:

a) its Nintendo

b) they're really going all out on REV development. I think they'll lose E3 this year. Unless hey show Rev titles... which will NOT happen cause they want to focus attention on LOZ + whatever else they'd already shown

c) DS will fill the gap at E3 for Nintendo


all up. No good but oh well... :) :(
 
GaimeGuy said:
I'm pretty sure Camelot is a 2nd party, too, not a 3rd party.

Name a Camelot game released for a non-nintendo machine since the Mario sports games of the N64.

Done?

Now, name a Camelot game released period since those games that HASN'T been published by Nintendo.

Yeah, 2nd party.
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Well, they are obviously a de facto second party, but to my knowlege, Nintendo has never made any formal deal with them in that regard. Not officially, anyway.
 
There is also the soon-to-be-announced additional Mario Sports title and Mario Part 7, both said to be at E3.

Speaking of Zelda, does anyone offhand know the LTD worldwide totals of Wind Waker? And if by region?

I'm curious to see how it compared to Majora's Mask, if someone has those numbers too.
 
I think one question you have to ask is, were there more Cube titles unveiled at E3 last year than we knew about going in? If so, it's probably not a good idea to assume that what's on the radar screen is their entire E3 lineup.
 
I think we'll probably see another 4 or 5 new Cube games from Nintendo at E3 that we haven't seen before. Every year we always learn about new games at E3.

LOZ will probably be the last truly AAA game released on the Cube but that doesn't mean that Nintendo won't put out any good games after that. After all, not every game can be a Zelda.

I definitely think that if NOJ doesn't have that many titles on the horizon for 2006 that NOA should consider bringing over a lot of the Japan-only titles such as Nintendo Puzzle Collection or maybe even Naruto. That'd be much better than little or nothing at all.
 
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