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EGM92

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Dude, this is GAF. There are Nintendrones far more devoted to finding out what brand of paisley pajamas Miyamoto wears before he tucks himself into bed at night; you're small potatoes. OF COURSE IT'S BEEN POSTED ALREADY :)

Good to hear, none-the-less
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What he said.
 
I hope there's another debate about self-loading in this thread.

Whoever says self-loading = you load yourself; Congratulations, you are fucking retarded.
 
lockii said:
I hope there's another debate about self-loading in this thread.

Whoever says self-loading = you load yourself; Congratulations, you are fucking retarded.
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No no no. In a self loading system you put the disc in the tray, close the lid, push the power button then the gam loads itself

Revolution!


;)
 
So this is what I don't understand about bothering with BC for the GC...heh... Why? The GC's trade-in worth is extremely low and will be much lower by the time Rev hits. Both will be small systems and it shouldn't be a problem stacking them or having them in the gaming area at the same time. The software selection for GC isn't flying off of the shelves and the apparent lack of increasing popularity for the GC and its software, to me, does not give any reason for anyone to bother with using their GC games in a Rev. Nintendo fans who bought the GC will buy the Rev. So there's a lot of redundancy there.

Now, if the Rev. enhances the old GC titles in a way more meaningful than a simple rez bump, I could see the point. Otherwise, this just seems like more of a reason to NOT buy a GC at the moment since you can just get all of that on the new system and looks to be only for the purpose of getting a small extra amount of sales out of the old titles that are just sitting on shelves waiting to be purchased. Sorry to make GC's current state of suckiness more grim and dark than it probably is, but, really, what's the point of BC in this case?
 
MightyHedgehog said:
So this is what I don't understand about bothering with BC for the GC...heh... Why? The GC's trade-in worth is extremely low and will be much lower by the time Rev hits. Both will be small systems and it shouldn't be a problem stacking them or having them in the gaming area at the same time. The software selection for GC isn't flying off of the shelves and the apparent lack of increasing popularity for the GC and its software, to me, does not give any reason for anyone to bother with using their GC games in a Rev. Nintendo fans who bought the GC will buy the Rev. So there's a lot of redundancy there.

Now, if the Rev. enhances the old GC titles in a way more meaningful than a simple rez bump, I could see the point. Otherwise, this just seems like more of a reason to NOT buy a GC at the moment since you can just get all of that on the new system and looks to be only for the purpose of getting a small extra amount of sales out of the old titles that are just sitting on shelves waiting to be purchased. Sorry to make GC's current state of suckiness more grim and dark than it probably is, but, really, what's the point of BC in this case?
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Simple, i dont want an fucking old console hooked up or stored away. I want to chuck that bitch if i can.
 
its simple spec sheet battle. Even if 95% of users never use their Ps2 to play PS1 games or their Ps2s or xboxes to play DVDs it is still a "consideration during purchase" and it hurt gamecube sales potential (well DVD capabilities specifically in GCs case)

people like to think they are getting a good value. I bet most progressive scan DVD players never come within 100 feet of an HDTV let alone hook up to one.

Its all about padding those boxes in the check sheet comparison
 
Well, it's always nice to not have console clutter. Certainly, the women in my life dislike the whole game system constellation to sprawl beyond their alotted zone. BC ensures this delicate equilibrium is preserved. Although, since the GC and the rumoured REV are so small it'd probably be less important than with the hulking mass which is the xbox, which just takes up a lot of space any way you cut the pastrami.
 
MightyHedgehog said:
So this is what I don't understand about bothering with BC for the GC...heh... Why? The GC's trade-in worth is extremely low and will be much lower by the time Rev hits. Both will be small systems and it shouldn't be a problem stacking them or having them in the gaming area at the same time. The software selection for GC isn't flying off of the shelves and the apparent lack of increasing popularity for the GC and its software, to me, does not give any reason for anyone to bother with using their GC games in a Rev. Nintendo fans who bought the GC will buy the Rev. So there's a lot of redundancy there.

Now, if the Rev. enhances the old GC titles in a way more meaningful than a simple rez bump, I could see the point. Otherwise, this just seems like more of a reason to NOT buy a GC at the moment since you can just get all of that on the new system and looks to be only for the purpose of getting a small extra amount of sales out of the old titles that are just sitting on shelves waiting to be purchased. Sorry to make GC's current state of suckiness more grim and dark than it probably is, but, really, what's the point of BC in this case?
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so its a bad thing when REV has BC but a good thing when 360 might not have it?

some people.

I know that's not what you're saying but if you're saying BC is no good here. Then I'd like to think what you think of MS and their inability to say yes to BC (or the fact they'd like to leave that behind as a SURPRISE @ EEE)
 
john tv said:
OK so now we've confirmed 12cm discs. But I thought IGN said it would use DVD media?
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I think it was said that the games media will be Nintendo's proprietary DVD type media while REv can play both GC + DVD + their own discs.

Piracy concerns as usual.
 
Odnetnin said:
I think it was said that the games media will be Nintendo's proprietary DVD type media while REv can play both GC + DVD + their own discs.

Piracy concerns as usual.
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Yea piracy's a bitch, but hey! BC! maybe Rev will be just as good as the GC keeping pirates away with it's protections.
 
even that story on nintendo.com was changed if you kept up with the monster thread

something that bugs me IGN CUBE is using a new "sleeker" image for the Revolution news on the front page other than that old oval black one .... hmmmm
 
Odnetnin said:
so its a bad thing when REV has BC but a good thing when 360 might not have it?

some people.

I know that's not what you're saying but if you're saying BC is no good here. Then I'd like to think what you think of MS and their inability to say yes to BC (or the fact they'd like to leave that behind as a SURPRISE @ EEE)
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I'm just not seeing the worth. Of course, I don't see the personal worth in BC anyway, as I buy all of the systems and just hang on the old ones. I'm just trying to see the worth from a casual's perspective on it. (I suppose it'll help the system a little.) And for X360 having BC, well...I don't see the worth there, either. However, I wouldn't be massively surprised to see it happen for X360...just that it isn't done yet and, perhaps, MS doesn't want people just drop their thoughts of purchasing the current system once BC is announced for the new one dropping this year on the market. The last part of that last sentence is purely crazy speculation, though :lol.

If anything, the confirmation of BC for Rev this early in the game seems premature for Ninty. They want to sell the current system and its games, so why tell everyone that they can wait if they want to because their new system will play all of them next year. Just seems counter-productive.
 
MightyHedgehog said:
I'm just not seeing the worth. Of course, I don't see the personal worth in BC anyway, as I buy all of the systems and just hang on the old ones. I'm just trying to see the worth from a casual's perspective on it. (I suppose it'll help the system a little.) And for X360 having BC, well...I don't see the worth there, either. However, I wouldn't be massively surprised to see it happen for X360...just that it isn't done yet and, perhaps, MS doesn't want people just drop their thoughts of purchasing the current system once BC is announced for the new one dropping this year on the market. The last part of that last sentence is purely crazy speculation, though :lol.

If anything, the confirmation of BC for Rev this early in the game seems premature for Ninty. They want to sell the current system and its games, so why tell everyone that they can wait if they want to because their new system will play all of them next year. Just seems counter-productive.
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I'm like you in that I buy new systems and keep my old ones, and I scoffed at the idea of PS2 having backwards compatability. Here I am in 2005 though, and neither of my PS 1s work. I imagine in 2012 theres a chance my GC will be dead. Guess what, they won't be making any new Cubes in 2012. I'll have a much better chance of finding a functioning REV or *New Nintendo Console* than a Gamecube. Optical systems don't last forever, and they seem to last a lot shorter than Cart systems (MY SATURN WILL LAST FOREVER THOUGH). Therefore, BC is important in that respect, if nothing else.
 
john tv said:
OK so now we've confirmed 12cm discs. But I thought IGN said it would use DVD media?
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The Nintendo article said "standard dvds" at one point. I think they'll have their own piracy protection system ala X360's discs.
 
EGM92 said:
I just got an email about this:



Hope it's not old, the source and rest of the article are here, all I have to say is I'm sold for Rev and PS3 next gen

Source: http://www.nintendo.com/newsarticle...4139&page=other
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Three DVD cases thick and only a little bit longer? If the system is as small as these 'rumors' suggest, how are they cooling that thing? This is assuming that it has insano chip heat coming from in there. If it doesn't have a shit load of heat to worry about, facilitating the smaller form factor, then I have to wonder about what the CPU and GPU capability of the system is. To me, having a console *that* small, would seem to indicate that there's less under the hood than that of the X360...something I've already expected. But does that size indicate such? Or has Ninty/IBM/Ati come up with some amazingly good space design with very next-gen power?
 
MightyHedgehog said:
Three DVD cases thick and only a little bit longer? If the system is as small as these 'rumors' suggest, how are they cooling that thing? This is assuming that it has insano chip heat coming from in there. If it doesn't have a shit load of heat to worry about, facilitating the smaller form factor, then I have to wonder about what the CPU and GPU capability of the system is. To me, having a console *that* small, would seem to indicate that there's less under the hood than that of the X360...something I've already expected. But does that size indicate such? Or has Ninty/IBM/Ati come up with some amazingly good space design with very next-gen power?
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Nintendo systems usually have the power supply outside the console, that's one way they save on space.
 
True. But that alone cannot account for that kind of space savings if we're talking about the size mentioned at that link...at least not without a lot less silicon to cool in there. Like I said, this is assuming that Rev has as much silicon as the X360, if not more...and that system requires much more space by comparison. Just seems a little unblieveable that the system would be *that* small and have equal to or better than X360's hardware innards. I guess I'll believe it when I see it, because it just seems like it has to be bigger than that.
 
MightyHedgehog said:
True. But that alone cannot account for that kind of space savings if we're talking about the size mentioned at that link...at least not without a lot less silicon to cool in there. Like I said, this is assuming that Rev has as much silicon, if not more than, as the X360...and that system requires much more space by comparison.
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MightyHedgehog said:
True. But that alone cannot account for that kind of space savings if we're talking about the size mentioned at that link...at least not without a lot less silicon to cool in there. Like I said, this is assuming that Rev has as much silicon as the X360, if not more...and that system requires much more space by comparison. Just seems a little unblieveable that the system would be *that* small and have equal to or better than X360's hardware innards. I guess I'll believe it when I see it, because it just seems like it has to be bigger than that.
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If you've ever opened up a GameCube and checked out the motherboard you'd see how clean and small it really is.
 
Yeah just because Microsoft requires jet turbines and bloated case sizes to house its components doesn't mean the same logic can be applied to Nintendo.
 
I'm talking about the pure logic involved with cooling very fast and hot chips...the kind you'll need to have if you're going to offer up performance numbers akin to the X360 and PS3. It just seems a little farfetched to have a case that small with that kind of power, assuming it does have that kind of power.
 
MightyHedgehog said:
I'm talking about the pure logic involved with cooling very fast and hot chips...the kind you'll need to have if you're going to offer up performance numbers akin to the X360 and PS3. It just seems a little farfetched to have a case that small with that kind of power, assuming it does have that kind of power.
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Watercooling, heat sinks, and fans don't have to be huge.
 
MightyHedgehog said:
True. But that alone cannot account for that kind of space savings if we're talking about the size mentioned at that link...at least not without a lot less silicon to cool in there. Like I said, this is assuming that Rev has as much silicon as the X360, if not more...and that system requires much more space by comparison. Just seems a little unblieveable that the system would be *that* small and have equal to or better than X360's hardware innards. I guess I'll believe it when I see it, because it just seems like it has to be bigger than that.
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The Rev:360 size ratio sounds similar to the GCN:Xbox one. It didn't quite equal or best Xbox, but it came out a few months before and for a cheaper launch price.

As for BC, remember for how long Nintendo games can tend to sell. Some of the top GameCube sellers of 2001, 2002, and 2003 are still some of the top sellers today. People are buying $20 NES games for their GBA. Back compatibility for GCN games on Revolution allows them to continue selling these older games to new purchasers who didn't have a GameCube. It also allows them to put games that don't require the tech prowess or mystery features of Revolution to remain as GameCube releases, to sell both to Revolution owners and those who are still using only GameCube.

Were GCN back-compatible in a similar way (and N64 didn't have the problem of cartridge format), I can imagine games like Nintendo Puzzle Collection, the Donkey Kongas, and Four Swords Adventures could've been N64 releases. Games like Animal Crossing, Doshin the Giant, and Cubivore wouldn't have needed to be moved to or later rereleased on GameCube. To include Ocarina of Time as a preorder bonus wouldn't require them to write an N64 emulator. Things like that.
 
MightyHedgehog said:
I'm talking about the pure logic involved with cooling very fast and hot chips...the kind you'll need to have if you're going to offer up performance numbers akin to the X360 and PS3. It just seems a little farfetched to have a case that small with that kind of power, assuming it does have that kind of power.
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Um. Dreamcast was watercooled.

Ok Bye.

Ulairi said:
Watercooling, heat sinks, and fans don't have to be huge.
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what he/she said
 
gofreak said:
The Nintendo article said "standard dvds" at one point. I think they'll have their own piracy protection system ala X360's discs.
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I didnt actually read anything about this. What exactly have MS done with their discs?
 
MightyHedgehog said:
I'm just not seeing the worth. Of course, I don't see the personal worth in BC anyway, as I buy all of the systems and just hang on the old ones. I'm just trying to see the worth from a casual's perspective on it. (I suppose it'll help the system a little.)
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I don't know about you but I don't have an infinite number of inputs for all of my consoles and I don't want to have to switch cables when I want to play GCN games.

MightyHedgehog said:
If anything, the confirmation of BC for Rev this early in the game seems premature for Ninty. They want to sell the current system and its games, so why tell everyone that they can wait if they want to because their new system will play all of them next year. Just seems counter-productive.
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I agree that it could hurt GCN sales right now but since the only people who know that the Revolution will be BC right now are the non-casuals (those who already bought the GCN or those who have no interest in it) it won't be a big loss.
 
OK so now we've confirmed 12cm discs. But I thought IGN said it would use DVD media?
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Well the original article is vague enough that they could be refering to DVDs still. At this point it's more likely they'd be using DVDs rather than some retarded proprietary format I would imagine. There's no benefit to using say a 2.5 gig optical disc than a regular DVD.
 
Nintendo, struggling to shed an image that its technologies mostly appeal to children, is preparing to deliver a game console that is radically different from the cute and cuddly GameCube.

Perrin Kaplan, Nintendo's vice president for corporate affairs, said GameCube's successor would be "very, very sleek." She described it as horizontal and no taller than a stack of three DVD cases.

Unlike GameCube, the new system will play DVD's, Ms. Kaplin said, and will feature a wireless controller. It will play GameCube games as well as a new class of high-definition games, with new emphasis on online play.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/13/technology/13xbox.html?pagewanted=2
 
JoshuaJSlone said:
To include Ocarina of Time as a preorder bonus wouldn't require them to write an N64 emulator. Things like that.
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But they wouldn't ahve included it as a pre-order if GC could play it because they would have still been selling it for 19.99 :lol
 
scola said:
But they wouldn't ahve included it as a pre-order if GC could play it because they would have still been selling it for 19.99 :lol
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OK... maybe they'd have let you buy it for $10 cheaper if you'd preorder. :lol
 
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