Dr. Wilkinson
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Really odd comparison, but ok!
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Nintendo Switch 2 Can Run BOTW at 4K Res, 60 FPS; May Be Capable of Better Ray Tracing Than PS5/Xbox Series X
Tripolygon
Banned
It makes sense.
Switch
Docked: 256 x 2 x 0.768 = ~393.2 GFlops
Undocked boost: 256 x 2 x 0.378 = ~193.5 GFlops
Undocked: 256 x 2 x 0.3072 = ~157.3 GFlops
Switch 2: Rumored Spec using Switch clocks.
Docked: 2048 x 2 x 0.768 = 3TF
Undocked boost: 2048 x 2 x 0.378 = 1.5TF
Undocked: 2048 x 2 x 0.307 = 1.2TF
10x Switch GPU performance accounting for architectural improvements since Tegra maxwell. Now add on top of that DLSS that is being rumored to have. Let's assume they are using the more mature 6nm fabrication, it allows for an efficient chip that draws roughly 10W of power.
Let's put it in perspective.
Snapdragon 8 gen 2 can run Genshin Impact at native 4K 30fps drawing 9W power.
existensmaximum
Member
Yeah.. We'll see about that. Keep your expectations in check 
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Yeah remember that from before the Switch release?
So that was bullshit, just like the rumors that it was more powerful than ps4 or X1.
So that was bullshit, just like the rumors that it was more powerful than ps4 or X1.
existensmaximum
Member
BOTW is absolutely not full 1080p on the Switch.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
8x better actually. 4K is 4x the resolution of 1080p, and then twice the framerate on top of that. But yeah, this is probably upscaled from 1080p or so, which means it's actually only rendering twice the pixels per second (but DLSS isn't free, so it's still doing more than twice the work).
Edit: BOTW is actually 900p on Switch, so probably a bit more than 2x. But yeah.
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Definitely not. It uses ~75W from the outlet.
Knightime_X
Member
You GREATLY underestimate the true power of DLSS, an ai assisted technology.
lughnasadh123
Member
Is it even possible to make something as good as the leaks suggest within the confines of size, battery life, and making profit on hardware Nintendo has chosen to follow?
Last time I was caught up in the hype cycle was with Silicon Graphics and Ultra 64. Never again.
Last time I was caught up in the hype cycle was with Silicon Graphics and Ultra 64. Never again.
FearlessBelgian
Member
This comparison is non-sense, Genshin impact is a low GPU dependant game, the game is made to run on extremely low power hardware... BOTW is way more demanding, maybe 10x more demanding...
diffusionx
Gold Member
Nvidia may decide to take a little bit less of a vig as it would be a great way to push RT and DLSS (as opposed to FSR) on more devs.
The fact is that this tech is years-old at this point. It's just that the advancement has been frustratingly slow largely because Nvidia is pricing their cards astronomically and stringing them out for way too long (we should be on 5xxx if not 6xxx by now).
Robb
Gold Member
Kind of depends on how much free heavy lifting they can get from the DLSS stuff I guess. We should get a pretty good bump up from the Switch either way.
I’m not sure how the tech works but my impression is that the use of DLSS wouldn’t put additional strain on the system and, in turn, battery (?). So you get “fake” high performance, or whatever you want to call it.
Tripolygon
Banned
amigastar
Member
Same, if Switch 2 will have significantly more powerful hardware i might buy it.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
AFAIK the closest equivalent to PS5’s GPU is the RX6700 (non XT) which is a little behind RTX 3060 in ray tracing. So exceeding that isn’t TOO far fetched.
As for BotW at 4K60, that too isn’t so far fetched if it’s rendering internally at 1080p and upscaling with DLSS.
So I’d say it’s plausible, although you are wise not to get your hopes up too high just yet
MadPanda
Banned
It's psu is, of course game usage will vary from a game to a game.
Sleepwalker
Member
Im not sure I believe it but I could see 720p upscaled to 1080 or at most 1440p. I dont think Nintendos next console will do 4k at all.
Remember they will target $299 or $399 at most, Nintendo wont take a loss on hardware.
Z1 exreme devices start at $699
Valve makes up for any hardware loss via their store.
All these chinese handhelds arent this powerful and are $1k+
DLSS is great but it doesnt do miracles.
Remember they will target $299 or $399 at most, Nintendo wont take a loss on hardware.
Z1 exreme devices start at $699
Valve makes up for any hardware loss via their store.
All these chinese handhelds arent this powerful and are $1k+
DLSS is great but it doesnt do miracles.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
DLSS ultra performance mode at 4K is rendering internally at 720p. Yeah I doubt there will be many games rendering natively at 4K, but with DLSS it’s not far fetched at all to expect a 4K output.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
JordiENP
Member
Clearly by reading some comments people here don't know shit about tech. The 1650 can do that on cemu, 4k 60fps we are talking about an emulator. And that's a very old GPU with a very old architecture that doesn't support dlss. Now Nintendo will have a modern chip with modern technology and developed by Nvidia.
The switch 2 by default will support FSR 3, Dlss and Nintendo's own method.
The switch 2 by default will support FSR 3, Dlss and Nintendo's own method.
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
Nintendo games would honestly do extremely well with ray tracing. Bold cartoon style art design with clear geometry shines really well with great lighting.
Sleepwalker
Member
Fair enough, actually for switch 1 games I can see them being upscaled very nice to 4k and even 60fps for sure.
Where I'm more skeptical is the claims about better perfomance than the current consoles. I think at most we could expect series S like performance when docked and after DLSS.
Unless their next console is a home console lol, in that case it will 100% be more powerful than current consoles and it would be hilarious.
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
If they can give me at least 1440p image quality or better with 60fps in TOTK I'll be very happy. I honesty think they should make the system $500 and go all in on the mobile tech.
They would crush this holidays sales if they revealed it now.
BlackTron
Gold Member
We knew this the second OLED was revealed
Gojiira
Member
Pleaseeeee…So we’re to believe a portable console will be running 4k 60fps with better high end effects like Ray Tracing than the dedicated home consoles? No,just no.
Now it running something as graphically unimpressive as BotW at 4k/60 sure, its possible. But if people are expecting Forbidden West level visuals pushing ‘better’ ray tracing at 4k/60, no just no.
Now it running something as graphically unimpressive as BotW at 4k/60 sure, its possible. But if people are expecting Forbidden West level visuals pushing ‘better’ ray tracing at 4k/60, no just no.
JordiENP
Member
It's not about outperforming, it's about the tech behind. RT on Nvidia will always be better than RT on AMD.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
T4keD0wN
Member
i am sorry, but even the most efficient lovelace card will not outperform 6600xt-6700xt when limited below 30w.
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
So not at 4k as DLSS is not native 4k.
At the same resolutions and frame rates?
No, lower res + DLSS.
That's the whole point of NVidia, the DLSS. You can render stuff at 1080p and DLSS it to 4K.
I don't get why people in this thread think Switch 2 will outperform PSX. It won't, it'll be comparible thru DLSS.
JordiENP
Member
Not when you have Dlss, which works miles better than FSR. Also you're forgetting the switch runs at lower clocks on handheld than docked, so the next one will definitely do the same. Just like games run at lower resolution with lower settings handheld than docked, I expect the next one to do the same.
Obviously will not be as powerful because of the form factor, but the tech is just better.
Fbh
Member
It's not going to be native 4K, just upscaled.
TotK is 900p 30fps on Switch, it doesn't sound crazy that the Switch 2 version could run it at like 1080p 60fps. Then they just upscale it with DLSS and it's technically "4K 60fps".
It's no different than all these recent games claiming to be 1440p but it's actually like 720p with FSR2.0
Kataploom
Gold Member
You both overstated what was said by quite an extend lol
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
not gonna be hard to be better than the consoles at Raytracing with NVIDIA behind the chip.
I hope it can do tears of the kingdom at 60FPS
I hope it can do tears of the kingdom at 60FPS
Little Mac
Gold Member
Even the thought of getting BotW at 2k60 has got me brick’d up.
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Mister Wolf
Gold Member
They might be trying to ensure that they can get satisfactory ports of PS5/Series X games running on there system.
Ulysses 31
Gold Member
An overclocked Switch can run TOTK at 60 fps 1080p.
ReBurn
Gold Member
So on par with XSX and PS5
4k/60 for BotW using DLSS seems possible. Original Switch ran BotW 720-900p and could have had a pretty solid lock on 30fps if it had more memory bandwidth. I think Switch 2 would have enough headroom for 60fps and DLSS to 4k on a Switch 1 game. The comment about fast loading time is encouraging as well.
Not sure about ray tracing beating XSX/PS5 but only because Switch 2 is going to be a low-power mobile device. If Nintendo/Nvidia decide to implement ray tracing on Switch 2, it would punch well above its weight compared to XSX/PS5. Nvidia has better GPU for ray tracing than AMD and DLSS is better than FSR2 when starting from lower resolutions. I would want ray tracing just for Luigi's Mansion 4 with Luigi's flashlight and the ghosts.
Not sure about ray tracing beating XSX/PS5 but only because Switch 2 is going to be a low-power mobile device. If Nintendo/Nvidia decide to implement ray tracing on Switch 2, it would punch well above its weight compared to XSX/PS5. Nvidia has better GPU for ray tracing than AMD and DLSS is better than FSR2 when starting from lower resolutions. I would want ray tracing just for Luigi's Mansion 4 with Luigi's flashlight and the ghosts.
zeldaring
Banned
People should watch some videos of fsr2 vs dsll.3 they are basically the same tech except one does a better job but by no means is fsr.2 bad. Cyberpunk and dead space both use it, and switch will be around 2.5 teralflops it's not coming close to even series S. FSR.2 is still gonna beat dsll easily because of the raw power difference and the higher resolution difference.
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They don’t really care is my bet .. switch had enough ports that worked good enough . Nintendo cares about running their own games with their vision. And what that hardware needs at a affordable price max 349.99.
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