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[TwilightPrincess]

It's not throwing the towel, it's understanding the market they are going for. Those games are not for Switch's market.

The guy said he wanted those games released to watch a DF dick contest and compare performances. It's not going to happen.

This is Nintendo going for a new market, this is a new Wii (and the Wii was amazing, I still play mine).

And some think you are wrong, cause they believe that some of the AA-AAA PS4 titles will get ported. If Ubi brings Empire to Switch than your statement is proven wrong. Even if Dark Souls is coming to Switch, cause that's exactly the hardcoremarket you are saying Switch is not getting.

 

[TwilightPrincess]

Eh, if they can port the games over without too much trouble I don't see why they wouldn't. The issue being it looks like it will be difficult to port over more of the high end titles. But like, I see no reason why you wouldn't expect CoD for instance or Star Wars if they can get it technically competent. I think the appeal is enough that they would if they could. But don't expect GTA or anything of that nature even if it was possible.

I could see a GTA V port down the road. Should be relative easy and cheap to port cause there are already PS3/Xbox360 versions and the game is still selling well on every platform.

 

[EDarkness]

It's not throwing the towel, it's understanding the market they are going for. Those games are not for Switch's market.

The guy said he wanted those games released to watch a DF dick contest and compare performances. It's not going to happen.

This is Nintendo going for a new market, this is a new Wii (and the Wii was amazing, I still play mine).

I think you missed out on their system trailer, because it pretty much screamed "core" gamer. No Wii Play or anything like that there. I think it's pretty obvious that they're going with the "core" gamer first this time around, which means they need games that those guys are going to want to play. Otherwise, why bother with showing Skyrim? I have no idea how it's all going to play out, but history says that you can at least expect a CoD or two, because Activision has put CoD on the Wii and Wii U. They'll do so again on the NS. The only outlier would be EA. There's no telling what they're going to bring over. Maybe they'll bring Battlefield...or Star Wars...or FIFA. We know they're bringing over a game, we just don't know what game it is. So best to wait and see what kind of support they're going to bring before we get into the "don't expect X game to come".

This is even true for Rockstar's games as well. I think we'll have a better idea of what's going on in that space once the 12th hits and developers can openly announce their games for the system. Honestly, you're probably right that NS owners shouldn't expect much, but I don't think we should rule that out until we get more information.

 

[Ladekabel]

Just out of curiosity: What rumors from Laura Kate Dale have turned out true? I think it only was the release date, wasn't it? Or was there something else that I don't remember or didn't notice but makes everyone taking their rumors almost at face value?

 

[ggx2ac]

Just out of curiosity: What rumors from Laura Kate Dale have turned out true? I think it only was the release date, wasn't it? Or was there something else that I don't remember or didn't notice but makes everyone taking their rumors almost at face value?

The following isn't including newer entries from Laura Kate Dale such as games planned for release, Mario Rabbids RPG, Switch has fans inside the system for upclocking when docked etc (Of course some of that can't be confirmed until at least the Switch presentation.)

http://letsplayvideogames.com/2016/10/a-deep-dive-on-lpvgs-nintendo-switch-reports-and-info/

Here's articles that pop up when you search for Switch:

http://letsplayvideogames.com/?s=Switch

 

[Skittzo0413]

It's not throwing the towel, it's understanding the market they are going for. Those games are not for Switch's market.

The guy said he wanted those games released to watch a DF dick contest and compare performances. It's not going to happen.

This is Nintendo going for a new market, this is a new Wii (and the Wii was amazing, I still play mine).

Have you actually watched the Switch trailer? The game featured the most in that was Skyrim SE. Their entire marketing message so far has revolved around "take your typical console games on the go!" Which is honestly the exact opposite of what you're saying here.

Eh, if they can port the games over without too much trouble I don't see why they wouldn't. The issue being it looks like it will be difficult to port over more of the high end titles. But like, I see no reason why you wouldn't expect CoD for instance or Star Wars if they can get it technically competent. I think the appeal is enough that they would if they could. But don't expect GTA or anything of that nature even if it was possible.

Vern, who is a Gaffer and claims to be an insider (EDIT: Or more specifically someone who knows insiders), has heard that Rockstar is preparing a Switch port of a game already released. I can't really see anything but GTAV fitting the bill for that.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

It just dawned me that I really don't have place for the Switch.

I will most likely use it has handheld and console, but the process of changing the modes is going to be tedious. I don't have space near the TV, and under the TV are my consoles, and the Switch will most likely not fit there because of it's height.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

Why would anyone think anyone think there's no market for GTA on the Switch? A portable true-GTA seems like a pretty easy sell to me.

And bringing up Body Harvest as evidence of bad blood? You could just as easily point toward Smuggler's Run to prove that that's bullshit.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Why would anyone think anyone think there's no market for GTA on the Switch? A portable true-GTA seems like a pretty easy sell to me.

And bringing up Body Harvest as evidence of bad blood? You could just as easily point toward Smuggler's Run to prove that that's bullshit.

The rumored bad blood is apparently with Rockstar North (what DMA evolved into). Which if true is important because they're obviously the studio behind the mainline franchise.

 

[brochiller]

Have you actually watched the Switch trailer? The game featured the most in that was Skyrim SE. Their entire marketing message so far has revolved around "take your typical console games on the go!" Which is honestly the exact opposite of what you're saying here.



Vern, who is a Gaffer and claims to be an insider (EDIT: Or more specifically someone who knows insiders), has heard that Rockstar is preparing a Switch port of a game already released. I can't really see anything but GTAV fitting the bill for that.

What about a port of the original Red Dead Redemption? There were rumors of a remaster a few months ago but nothing ever came of it. I could also see it to build hype for the sequel. I'd like to see this more than GTA V.

Although if they ported the original with 2 coming out later in 2017, it would then be weird not to have 2 on the Switch.

 

[Skittzo0413]

What about a port of the original Red Dead Redemption? There were rumors of a remaster a few months ago but nothing ever came of it. I could also see it to build hype for the sequel. I'd like to see this more than GTA V.

Although if they ported the original with 2 coming out later in 2017, it would then be weird not to have 2 on the Switch.

Yeah I could see that but like you said, only if RDR2 is coming to Switch too. Which, as I said on the last page, would lead to legendary meltdowns here. Especially if they have an exclusive RDR2 trailer or something at the Switch event.

Spoiler

In my dreams, I know...

 

[SolidSnakex]

What about a port of the original Red Dead Redemption? There were rumors of a remaster a few months ago but nothing ever came of it. I could also see it to build hype for the sequel. I'd like to see this more than GTA V.

Although if they ported the original with 2 coming out later in 2017, it would then be weird not to have 2 on the Switch.

The code for Redemption is rumored to be an absolute mess. Basically barely stitched together to make it into a game. It would apparently take way too much time for any porting or remasters to happen.

 

[Hermii]

Yeah I could see that but like you said, only if RDR2 is coming to Switch too. Which, as I said on the last page, would lead to legendary meltdowns here. Especially if they have an exclusive RDR2 trailer or something at the Switch event.

Spoiler

In my dreams, I know...

Epona as exclusive for switch version

 

[yurinka]

I could see a GTA V port down the road. Should be relative easy and cheap to port cause there are already PS3/Xbox360 versions and the game is still selling well on every platform.

Game has been released in 5 platforms time ago. I think most people interested on it already bought it, and some of them even twice. I doubt they'd buy it again for the portability thing unless they can export their progress from older platforms, something I bet it won't be the case.

 

[Mr Swine]

Game has been released in 5 platforms time ago. I think most people interested on it already bought it, and some of them even twice. I doubt they'd buy it again for the portability thing unless they can export their progress from older platforms, something I bet it won't be the case.

I think having a portable GTAV would be a big boon for Rockstar and Nintendo seeing how the game is still in the top 10 every month

 

[Gotdatmoney]

I could see a GTA V port down the road. Should be relative easy and cheap to port cause there are already PS3/Xbox360 versions and the game is still selling well on every platform.

I was more talking GTA6 since I was speaking to new titles and not ports. Not that I expect 5 but that would be possible given the other ports we heard about.

Vern, who is a Gaffer and claims to be an insider, has heard that Rockstar is preparing a Switch port of a game already released. I can't really see anything but GTAV fitting the bill for that.

We'll wait and see what it actually is and whether it actually comes out. I'll believe it when I see it frankly.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

No game that sells 16 million copies is only for the core gamer.

 

[tr1p1ex]

The showing of Skyrim is just marketing. I don't think it's going to sell on the system.

The past few gens they have showed off older 3rd party games. They don't sell. They are doing it again this gen.

It's mainly just to check a box so you can't say there aren't 3rd party games on the system. And to push anyone over the fence that's on the fence. Hey DAd knows little Jimmy wants a Switch. He is reluctant. But sees it has Skyrim and envisions himself playing that game someday and he buys the Switch. Or Mom knows little Sally wants the new system that play Mario but big brother Billy likes sports games. Mom doesn't know what to do until she sees that NBA 2k17 is on the Switch too. Switch purchased.

That audience doesn't have the needs that thebig fans of those games have. They don't care if the version isn't as "pretty" or runs a fps less or is missing some features. etc.

But that audience is small I think. AT least the ones that wouldn't already have just bought a PS4/X1 for little Jimmy or Sally.

The only thing different this time around is the Switch is also a handheld. And 3rd parties don't have real versions of their games on handhelds. And there is a chance that consumers will find that attractive and that that portability factor will overcome the fact these older games are otherwise better and probably cheaper on the X1/PS4 not to mention are also on the 360/PS3. Nintendo is in position to own that market if it exists. They are in position to have a better relationship with 3rd party developers if they can become the place for real & portable versions of their games particularly their back library. Nintendo can teach them about reselling old games.

On the bright side, Things are getting more portable nowadays. We've seen it with laptops the past decade. Then smartphones and tablets. Consumers compute on the go. They watch tv on the go. Music on the go. Maybe the ability to play your console game not only on the tv but also on the go will become a thing.

ON the downside, Vita flopped.

There's a chance though.

 

[blu]

The showing of Skyrim is just marketing. I don't think it's going to sell on the system.

The past few gens they have showed off older 3rd party games. They don't sell. They are doing it again this gen.

Actually wiiU was home to some definitive versions of contemporary 3rd party titles. And then things like this happened: http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/ward...er-wii-u-s-need-for-speed-most-wanted/0129308

 

[tr1p1ex]

Actually wiiU was home to some definitive versions of contemporary 3rd party titles. And then things like this happened: http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/ward...er-wii-u-s-need-for-speed-most-wanted/0129308

lol. Do you like pointing out that to someone that says they have $9 million dollars that they only have $8.75 million and then just leave the room? That's how I see your post.

 

[gtj1092]

Actually wiiU was home to some definitive versions of contemporary 3rd party titles. And then things like this happened: http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/ward...er-wii-u-s-need-for-speed-most-wanted/0129308

We finally found the secret to Wii U's failure.

 

[_BC_]

i got no idea what i'm talking about here ..

... but could the switch have a 1440p screen ...

could then play 720p games downclocked for long batterylife (no fan)
upscale to 1080p for home console with normal clock (fan on)
play 1440p games in handheld with power connected (fan on) for VR

anybody got any more of them SMs? ... yeah i know ... just thinking out loud ...

 

[Hermii]

i got no idea what i'm talking about here ..

You are right

 

[James Scott]

i got no idea what i'm talking about here ..

... but could the switch have a 1440p screen ...

could then play 720p games downclocked for long batterylife (no fan)
upscale to 1080p for home console with normal clock (fan on)
play 1440p games in handheld with power connected (fan on) for VR

anybody got any more of them SMs? ... yeah i know ... just thinking out loud ...

No. 720p screen is what it has

 

[Sapiens]

We finally found the secret to Wii U's failure.

NoA needs a collosal, well fitting, high pressure, ass cracking ENEMA!

 

[lwilliams3]

lol. Do you like pointing out that to someone that says they have $9 million dollars that they only have $8.75 million and then just leave the room? That's how I see your post.

Overgenerations like the one you said leaves things like that open.

Honestly, the thing who were describing was more of a "Wii U problem" than a general Nintendo problem. Nintendo generally does need more work with third parties, but the situation with the Wii U was catastrophic in many levels.

 

[EDarkness]

The showing of Skyrim is just marketing. I don't think it's going to sell on the system.

The past few gens they have showed off older 3rd party games. They don't sell. They are doing it again this gen.

The difference here is that with the Wii U and the Wii they showed off party games and casual games first. They didn't do that with the NS. They went with games the "core" gamers care about. Doesn't matter if they're old games or not. The intent was there. No motion games. No party games. No crazy Mii games. Just good old-fashioned "core" games. Something that the "core" gamer could relate to.

And third party games do sell. This idea that they don't needs to die already. If 3rd parties put forth effort and actually support their games, then they sell. They have the same issues on every other system as well. If a game just isn't compelling, then it isn't compelling. That's just how it goes. Wii U games were hindered by lots of crap, shitty word of mouth, and missing features. They were doomed from the beginning. Games sold much better on the Wii, but the issue there is that this idea that only causals played Wii games which wasn't true at all. They effectively sabotaged their games on the Wii and despite that quite a few of them went on to sell a decent amount of copies.

I hope that third parties learned their lesson and don't put out half-assed versions of their games and expect them to sell on par with their fully featured versions. If they don't want to fully support all versions of their game, then they shouldn't even bother.

 

[blu]

lol. Do you like pointing out that to someone that says they have $9 million dollars that they only have $8.75 million and then just leave the room? That's how I see your post.

Be my guest. A few 3rd-party titles saw considerable effort on the platform, each one to its own fate. NFS:MWU was developed as the console definitive version, only to be snubbed by its contractual publisher and platform holder alike*. Games with zero marketing effort don't sell, 3rd party or otherwise. And then there were things like Rayman Legends - ubi effectively sabotaged (negative marketing) their own product, for a net negative gain. But there were positive examples as well, like Trine2, which saw such good reception on the platform that FrozenByte actually walked the length and ported Trine to the platform as well - something they initially were sceptical about.

* NFS:MWU is absent from some EU eShops to this very day.

We finally found the secret to Wii U's failure.

Psst - there's no 'single secret to wiiU's failure'.

 

[AzaK]

The internals of the switch will be as much of a mystery in January 13 as it is now.

Exactly. And what will follow will be interview from game site asking "what are the specs" and the reply will be "it's not about specs"

What if there will be no major third party games on January 12?

There will be one camp claiming it says nothing about the tech, and one camp saying it's so weak it's not worth the effort.

The release list should be ignored if you're looking at gauging Switch market performance. We need to wait for 6 months to see if people are still putting their major AAA games on it.

I think you missed out on their system trailer, because it pretty much screamed "core" gamer. No Wii Play or anything like that there. I think it's pretty obvious that they're going with the "core" gamer first this time around, which means they need games that those guys are going to want to play. .

I saw it differently. The trailer was very much for the casual gamer....the single casual gamer in their 20's. Not families, sure, but also not core at all.

Actually wiiU was home to some definitive versions of contemporary 3rd party titles. And then things like this happened: http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/ward...er-wii-u-s-need-for-speed-most-wanted/0129308

I'd never seen that. Terrible that Nintendo didn't even help them to get a good title on their system sold, on a machine that was failing out of the gate.

 

[KingBroly]

Nintendo didn't know what to do with Wii U.


At least with Switch, you can tell they know what it is, at minimum.

 

[blu]

I'd never seen that. Terrible that Nintendo didn't even help them to get a good title on their system sold, on a machine that was failing out of the gate.

Indeed. Criterion got caught in the "crossfire" between EA and nintendo, which is just.. sad.

 

[Sesuadra]

Nintendo didn't know what to do with Wii U.

exactly.

 

[ShadowFox08]

It just dawned me that I really don't have place for the Switch.

I will most likely use it has handheld and console, but the process of changing the modes is going to be tedious. I don't have space near the TV, and under the TV are my consoles, and the Switch will most likely not fit there because of it's height.

Are you seriously making an excuse about not being able to put the Switch near your TV? lol Just put it on the ground

 

[EDarkness]

I saw it differently. The trailer was very much for the casual gamer....the single casual gamer in their 20's. Not families, sure, but also not core at all.

Well, I guess perception is everything, because compared to the videos we've seen of the Wii and Wii U, this seemed to me to be totally aimed at the "core" gamer. Basketball, RPGs, Mario, e-Sports, Zelda. Games the "core" are interested in.

I'd never seen that. Terrible that Nintendo didn't even help them to get a good title on their system sold, on a machine that was failing out of the gate.

From what I know about Nintendo, they pretty much leave you to market your own game. In this case, though, I'm gonna guess they were in a particularly hairy spot with NFS since the whole deal with EA had gone south and them jumping in to promote that game could have poured more salt in that wound and strained an already strained relationship. I give the developers credit for trying to make that game great. However, EA let on very early that they (EA) weren't interested in going further than what they had given it and essentially sent the game to die. I remember sending them a Tweet about whether or not the Wii U version was going to get the upcoming DLC and they said, "No." This was before the game was released, so the writing was on the wall from the very beginning. I picked it up anyway, but I know folks who didn't because they wanted the new cars and the airport area to drive around in. A shame how that turned out, but it was all politics at that point.

 

[Spiral Insanity]

I can't believe we will have NES, Game Gear, Gameboy, GBC, GBA, SNES, N64, DS, Gamecube, PCE games on one handheld..(assuming Nintendo won't drop previously supported VC platforms, here's hoping)

 

[Malakai]

Not this core gamer bullcrap talk again. What is the current definition of a "core gamer" this year/month/week/day/minute etc? Historically, "Core" don't mean squat when it comes to system sales and weather or not the Nintendo Switch is successful or not.

 

[LCGeek]

Not this core gamer bullcrap talk again. What is the current definition of a "core gamer" this year/month/week/day/minute etc? Historically, "Core" don't mean squat when it comes to system sales and weather or not the Nintendo Switch is successful or not.

Core has no place in any nintendo discussion. The casual base has always made their systems what they are be it nes, to GBA, DS, and WII, the evidence is plain as day. Also some core better not speak after bayonetta 2. They could've spoken to their power on lesser selling systems like n64 or GC but they don't even show up anymore, neither does nintendo to be honest on some titles or franchises currently.

 

[EDarkness]

Core has no place in any nintendo discussion. The casual base has always made their systems what they are be it nes, to GBA, DS, and WII, the evidence is plain as day. Also some core better not speak after bayonetta 2. They could've spoken to their power on lesser selling systems like n64 or GC but they don't even show up anymore, neither does nintendo to be honest on some titles or franchises currently.

To be fair, "casuals" make any system what it is. Be it the PS2, Wii, PS4, etc. No casuals...dead system.

 

[dogen]

I can't believe we will have NES, Game Gear, Gameboy, GBC, GBA, SNES, N64, DS, Gamecube, PCE games on one handheld..(assuming Nintendo won't drop previously supported VC platforms, here's hoping)

Well, we already do on the GPD Win tbh. It'll even run some PS2 games.

 

[lwilliams3]

Nintendo didn't know what to do with Wii U.


At least with Switch, you can tell they know what it is, at minimum.

Yeah. There is a big difference from hearing things like Wii U's development hell and what we are hearing about the Switch.

Indeed. Criterion got caught in the "crossfire" between EA and nintendo, which is just.. sad.

Wow, I was going to post something similar. I was even going to use the word "crossfire." I have been talking to you for too long .

 

[LordOfChaos]

The bigger brother of Switch:

That has a heatpipe directly over the chip going to fins which the fan blows over, the opposite of what the other person asked after. They're physically separate by inches there, but they meant in different housings altogether. The arrangement there is typical of every laptop.

 

[blu]

Wow, I was going to post something similar. I was even going to use the word "crossfire." I have been talking to you for too long .

Oops, sorry /turns down brainwave broadcast amplifier

 

[Eliseo]

Core has no place in any console discussion. The casual base has always made their systems what they are be it nes, to GBA, DS, and WII, the evidence is plain as day. Also some core better not speak after bayonetta 2. They could've spoken to their power on lesser selling systems like n64 or GC but they don't even show up anymore, neither does nintendo to be honest on some titles or franchises currently.

FTFY

Do you honestly believe the "hardcore" gamers are the ones that buy most of the ps4/xbox one?

 

[Skittzo0413]

That has a heatpipe directly over the chip going to fins which the fan blows over, the opposite of what the other person asked after. They're physically separate by inches there, but they meant in different housings altogether. The arrangement there is typical of every laptop.

Would a much bigger fan in the dock directed at lower vents really be that much less efficient though? Than even the Shield TVs configuration?

 

[LCGeek]

To be fair, "casuals" make any system what it is. Be it the PS2, Wii, PS4, etc. No casuals...dead system.

Can't disagree with that.

 

[Smurfman256]

Why would anyone think anyone think there's no market for GTA on the Switch? A portable true-GTA seems like a pretty easy sell to me.

And bringing up Body Harvest as evidence of bad blood? You could just as easily point toward Smuggler's Run to prove that that's bullshit.

Because Shigeru Miyamoto personally fucked over DMA Designs (which eventually became Rockstar North).

 

[LordOfChaos]

Would a much bigger fan in the dock directed at lower vents really be that much less efficient though? Than even the Shield TVs configuration?

I don't think so, just pointing out it wasn't what was asked for, that's the most common heatsink/fan arrangement out there in the Shield. My pet theory had been the fan in the dock blows air in the bottom and out the top heatsink/heatpipe, until Laura Dale said both housed a fan.

With the dual fan thing we now know of, it sounds like the hot air comes out the bottom, intake through the top, and the dock fan just helps expel hot air, like the rearward facing 360 fans.

 

[Osiris]

Would a much bigger fan in the dock directed at lower vents really be that much less efficient though? Than even the Shield TVs configuration?

Much much much less efficient by several orders of magnitude, the difference in heat dissipation between direct copper contact and air alone (at any CFM) is massive and even that copper connecfion alone isn't enough to make heatpipes effective, they also contain a material inside the heatpipe that utilizes phase transition to carry the heat from the hot parts of the pipes loop to the cooler parts.

It's like comparing the perfomance of a paper airplane to an F16.

 

[AquaWateria]

Because Shigeru Miyamoto personally fucked over DMA Designs (which eventually became Rockstar North).

Even then its been over a fucking decade.

I mean yeah people hold grudges but for that long come the fuck on.

 

[Skittzo0413]

I don't think so, just pointing out it wasn't what was asked for. My pet theory had been the fan in the dock blows air in the bottom and out the top heatsink/heatpipe, until Laura Dale said both housed a fan.

Right though it could certainly be the case that it still works the way you surmised but with the added cooling from an additional small internal fan.

Either way, none of those possibilities make much sense with the clock speeds leaked together with the Jetson TX1 devkit leaked.

Much much much less efficient by several orders of magnitude, the difference in heat dissipation between direct copper contact and air alone (at any CFM) is massive and even that copper connecfion alone isn't enough to make heatpipes effective, they also contain a material inside the heatpipe that utilizes phase transition to carry the heat from the hot parts of the pipes loop to the cooler parts.

It's like comparing the perfomance of a paper airplane to an F16.

I don't think having a fan in the dock would preclude a heatsink or heatpipe though. I'm only really talking about the difference in fan location rather than any other heat transfer mechanisms.