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Nintendo Switch Discussion Thread (Question of the Day, Countdown, etc)

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orioto

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Super Mario Advance, Super Mario 64 DS, Twilight Princess were all big launch games that were originally games for earlier systems--but Nintendo still had all-new GBA, DS, and Wii games at launch.

It's a special case this time. They basically reboot the WiiU soft, and BotW is released on WiiU cause they have to, but it's basically a Switch game for them. They would have loved to cancel it on WiiU.
 

Scrawnton

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Yep, super crazy. I mean, not that the direct comparison is 100% valid, but doesn't the n3DS go for $200 right now? I mean, c'mon...
I hate to make it sound like this but sometimes I think the people complaining about $250 being a high price are teenagers or college kids with no or little money.

My gas bill was $140 last month. $250 is chump change compared to all the other things in life. I know people have very different money circumstances but in 2017 when even nosebleed concert tickets cost over $100 a piece, $250 is not too much for a game machine.
 
$249.99 is a great price for Switch. Also storage won't be a big deal (at least with physical games) due to the fact it probably won't really need big installs with cartridges, correct?
 

EDarkness

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Whoa...people are upset with $250? Really? Crazy folks up in here.

The thing I'm looking forward to the most are game announcements. I wouldn't mind some surprises and I'm trying to decide to get Nier: Automata now or wait for a potential NS version. Heh, the tough decisions.

I think I'm going to enjoy the reactions to the announcements more than the announcements themselves. Fun times ahead.
 
32 GB is useless though, with the actual game size and patches it fills pretty quick, you will still need a big SD, like on Wii U you need a HDD.

That's why they're still selling physical media, because including 256 GB of flash storage is too expensive and would still draw in complaints from people who look at an Xbox One's 1TB HDD and cry out that the Switch's storage is insufficient. It sucks for people like me who are planning on doing all digital though, because it pretty much forces us to buy a $140 256GB micro SD card if you want everything in one place.

For the record though, I have like 4 full games on Wii U and I still have something like 2 GB left. Haven't needed to get an HDD yet, but that's also because half of my library is physical.
 

Neoxon

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$249.99 is a great price for Switch. Also storage won't be a big deal (at least with physical games) due to the fact it probably won't really need big installs with cartridges, correct?
Correct, that's one of the major benefits of using cartridges. Another one would be decreased load times (they'll still be there, just not as bad as it would be with discs).
 
Super Mario Advance, Super Mario 64 DS, Twilight Princess were all big launch games that were originally games for earlier systems--but Nintendo still had all-new GBA, DS, and Wii games at launch.
And they were all pretty poopy. I dunno about you but I wouldn't give two shits if the Switch launched with something like Kuru Kuru Kururin 2
 

Scrawnton

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$249.99 is a great price for Switch. Also storage won't be a big deal (at least with physical games) due to the fact it probably won't really need big installs with cartridges, correct?
It won't need any installs with cartridges. Even with disc formats Nintendo has been very good with their proprietary disc and reading speeds. Games that required installs on PS3 and PS4 (like cod games) would run right off the disc on Wii U with no loading issues.

No installs, patches are all you need to worry about.
What if Nintendo mandates devs having to buy a higher spaced cartridge so that there's some empty space on them for smaller patches? Is such a thing even possible while also maintaining tight security?
 

Rodin

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32 GB is useless though, with the actual game size and patches it fills pretty quick, you will still need a big SD, like on Wii U you need a HDD.

I'll never understand this assumption that the vast majority of people will go full digital. Maybe 64 was possible as well without losing too much profit, but that wouldn't change complaints. 128GB or more is just too expensive and HDDs don't fit in a tablet.
 

Ryoku

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I hate to make it sound like this but sometimes I think the people complaining about $250 being a high price are teenagers or college kids with no or little money.

My gas bill was $140 last month. $250 is chump change compared to all the other things in life. I know people have very different money circumstances but in 2017 when even nosebleed concert tickets cost over $100 a piece, $250 is not too much for a game machine.

Saying $250 is chump change compared to other things like a gas bill is an unfair comparison. There are things which are necessities, and there are things that aren't. In this respect, $250 is not just "chump change". For some it is a huge amount of money to just spend for entertainment--and yes, this is often the case for people with not as much headroom in terms of finances as you may have.

Personally, $250 is not too much for a video game machine. I actually think it is the perfect price for what we seem to be getting so far. And I will buy it. At the same time, it is not "chump change".
 

13ruce

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$249.99 is a great price for Switch. Also storage won't be a big deal (at least with physical games) due to the fact it probably won't really need big installs with cartridges, correct?

Only patches probably need some storage space but yeah cartridge is no install needed.
 
What if Nintendo mandates devs having to buy a higher spaced cartridge so that there's some empty space on them for smaller patches? Is such a thing even possible while also maintaining tight security?

You just addressed my concern with that, security. Would be great but I have no idea how realistic it is. I mean DS and 3DS cartridges have a rewritable segment for save data right?
 

Scrawnton

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Saying $250 is chump change compared to other things like a gas bill is an unfair comparison. There are things which are necessities, and there are things that aren't. In this respect, $250 is not just "chump change". For some it is a huge amount of money to just spend for entertainment--and yes, this is often the case for people with not as much headroom in terms of finances as you may have.

Personally, $250 is not too much for a video game machine. I actually think it is the perfect price for what we seem to be getting so far. And I will buy it. At the same time, it is not "chump change".

I used that as an example and I also compared it to the cost of other entertainment. When you look at how much it cost for other entertainment in this economy, $250 still isn't even that much money.

a monthly gas bill is once every month, a console is 1 every 4 or so years though.

That raises a whole different political issue of why are utility prices skyrocketing making it more expensive to survive compared to entertain.
 
Personally, $250 is not too much for a video game machine. I actually think it is the perfect price for what we seem to be getting so far. And I will buy it. At the same time, it is not "chump change".

Bingo, definitely not a trivial purchase but certainly one that's worth it. The n3DS XL is still $199, comes with a 4 GB micro SD card, and it doesn't even come with a charger, but it's still selling. This thing is an order of magnitude stronger than the n3DS XL (and then some), and also fulfills the role of a console.
 

Scrawnton

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You just addressed my concern with that, security. Would be great but I have no idea how realistic it is. I mean DS and 3DS cartridges have a rewritable segment for save data right?

Yeah they do but maybe making that writable space much larger may leave the games vulnerable to mods and back doors into the system using certain software that wouldn't typically fit in just space reserved for saving.
 

antonz

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I think Nintendo is simply better off In their documentation recommending people buy a High Capacity card in case games need patches etc. that will exceed internal storage.

Most People buy SSD for consoles now and At least in to around 200GB cards stay competitive with SSD. $65 for a 200GB MicroSD card on amazon. Prices will continue to drop too as the larger SD cards become more common.
 

Ryoku

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I used that as an example and I also compared it to the cost of other entertainment. When you look at how much it cost for other entertainment in this economy, $250 still isn't even that much money.

You are assuming people have money to spend on entertainment regularly. But they are probably not the target audience anyways.
This is getting off-topic.
 

Scrawnton

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You are assuming people have money to spend on entertainment regularly. But they are probably not the target audience anyways.
This is getting off-topic.

I'll agree it was a bad example to compare those but it still goes to show just how cheap $250 is compared to other things in this modern economy.
 

Ryoku

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I'll agree it was a bad example to compare those but it still goes to show just how cheap $250 is compared to other things in this modern economy.

Yeah, that's true. Hell, I'd even go so far as to say that it's a steal at that price since it can be taken on the go, too, instead of just sitting there at home.

It just makes me think there won't be a bundle with a pack-in game. I hope there is one.
 

Luigison

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If this stand had a built-in USB-C adaptor or even a pass through I would buy it day one as it would likely also work with my Google phones, but simply as a stand I don't see the point.

Is there something special about the d-pad? Does it also slide?
 

Scrawnton

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You think we can get this topic to 400 pages before we get the official Switch Presentation topic up?
We would need some real juicy rumors tomorrow for that to happen.

If this stand had a built-in USB-C adaptor or even a pass through I would buy it day one as it would likely also work with my Google phones, but simply as a stand I don't see the point.


Is there something special about the d-pad? Does it also slide?
The picture just shows an opening in the plastic that exposes the Switch's USB plugin. So I am assuming there's no actual USB tech in the stand.
 
OB1 just said according to his sources you can add your facebook and twitter friends on your Switch.

Also, no streaming services available at launch as Ninty wants to focus on games.


Ho hum....
 
If this stand had a built-in USB-C adaptor or even a pass through I would buy it day one as it would likely also work with my Google phones, but simply as a stand I don't see the point.


Is there something special about the d-pad? Does it also slide?
I thought the d-pad was switchable. Like you can replace it with other buttons.
 

psyfi

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You think we can get this topic to 400 pages before we get the official Switch Presentation topic up?
Holy shit, I didn't even notice it was so high. I don't know how yall can bear talking about this thing so much, it makes the wait so much harder. I'm trying to get myself to log off right now, but the Hori thread has me too hyped, hah.
 

Oregano

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OB1 just said according to his sources you can add your facebook and twitter friends on your Switch.

Also, no streaming services available at launch as Ninty wants to focus on games.


Ho hum....

Wow more revolutionary information.

Facebook and Twitter integration was obvious considering its a big feature of Nintendo accounts. Expect Miitomo and Super Mario Run friends to be Switch friends.
 
Didn't somebody else say the Switch was going to be gaming focused from the beginning?

I swear Laura or Emily or somebody said that apps weren't going to be the focus.

Oh wait it was a poster on this website who said Nintendo wasn't focusing on streaming apps and it was about being gaming focused.
 
Yeah they do but maybe making that writable space much larger may leave the games vulnerable to mods and back doors into the system using certain software that wouldn't typically fit in just space reserved for saving.

If they're supporting micro SD cards I imagine they have security covered pretty well. Putting patches on the cartridge would actually be more secure, wouldn't it?
 
No streaming services kinda sucks. Having 4K HDR video streaming as a feature like the Shield TV would be a nice little thing to have in order to make the system more enticing.
 
Streaming will be on the system. Just not day 1.


If you wanna believe what OB1 says, it was cause they dont want a situation like Xbox One at reveal where they bored the hell out of everyone talking about apps and whatnot. Just wanna focus on the games right out of the gate.

Take that for what you will.
 
Streaming will be on the system. Just not day 1.


If you wanna believe what OB1 says, it was cause they dont want a situation like Xbox One at reveal where they bored the hell out of everyone talking about apps and whatnot. Just wanna focus on the games right out of the gate.

Take that for what you will.

Good. None of us should complain. We like to play games. I love Nintendos thinking. The streaming apps can come later

Well guess we already have one of the bullet points for why Switch sucks then if it has no multimedia capabilities.
They're saying it won't be there at launch. Not that the Switch will never get Netflix. It will have to get it and hopefully not very long later.

Maybe it'll tie in with when Nintendo wants to charge for online then those streaming apps will be a part of it lol.
 
No streaming at launch is a big deal though. Especially if they want it to be an all in one device for travel like the promo video showed.

Also adding friends thru Facebook and Twitter is a great way to add people.

**Also if it is an e-sport device, you would think it would have a Twitch App**
 
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