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Nintendo Wifi Connection vs. Xbox Live
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DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
HOLD the FUCK UP.
Nintendo DO have micro transactions for content, they've already used them, and i'm sure they'll use them again...
E-CARDs bitches.
What is worse - you get to pay $1 for pack of e-cards, and you have no control over what extra content you get.
Musashi Wins!
FLAWLESS VICTOLY!
So those old ROMS are going to be free on Revolution now? Awesome!
Hmmm.
Free.
I like Free.
Free is good.
No. But they are not mandatory for the online service, so it obviously doesn't count as 'cost' for the Revolution internet service. However, I'm sure not everyone will be able to resist download some of the best fucking games ever made.
Free.
I like Free.
Free is good.
Musashi Wins! said:
No. But they are not mandatory for the online service, so it obviously doesn't count as 'cost' for the Revolution internet service. However, I'm sure not everyone will be able to resist download some of the best fucking games ever made.
..pakbeka..
Member
Matlock said:
wasn't there something called DSpeak at e3?
Companion Cube
Member
More like "Sex for free with that average looking person next door that has a good personality, or having sex with that persons hotter cousin for $50."Littleberu said:
Yeah, but Nintendo is not allowing voice chat on Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection on Nintendo DS. Personally? I think it's because there's no ON/OFF button for DS built-in microphone... turning off voice chat in a menu softwarematically might be too hard for non-gamers, so people might actually take abuse of it. This is why I think Nintendo Revolution will have voice-chat online, because it will probably have a seperate mic, I think...pakbeka.. said:
Sad, really... I would've loved to see voice chat on DS.
Glad to see I'm not the only one who friggin' hates voice chat.
It DESTROYED PSO on Xbox. Text is a LOT better suited for games (except stuff like Halo obviously).
But in stuff like Animal Crossing, I really don't want voices.
This will 99.9% be a free service on Rev as well. I hope there's one username that someone uses for each game. As long as it does that, gives downloadable demos and shit like that, it WILL be better than Xbox Live.
No one really cares about MICROTRANSACTIONS or any of the shit being added to Live. Some of it is damn cool, some of it isn't, but what most people care about is having an easy way to play with other people that you don't have to pay for.
It DESTROYED PSO on Xbox. Text is a LOT better suited for games (except stuff like Halo obviously).
But in stuff like Animal Crossing, I really don't want voices.
This will 99.9% be a free service on Rev as well. I hope there's one username that someone uses for each game. As long as it does that, gives downloadable demos and shit like that, it WILL be better than Xbox Live.
No one really cares about MICROTRANSACTIONS or any of the shit being added to Live. Some of it is damn cool, some of it isn't, but what most people care about is having an easy way to play with other people that you don't have to pay for.
Shinoobi said:
:lol i don't think there is any evidence that xbox live is that much better.. bottom line on xbox live is that it's basicly a matching service in most games, just like pc online gaming, only they charge for it and they have stat tracking. Nintendo also has stat tracking, and it's gonna be free.
the voice chat appears to be the only significant advantage and for a lot of people (including myself) voice chat sucks. and who knows? they might end up having voice chat on the revolution version.
One thing we know for sure is that revolution wifi will be the only online service with a legal way to download classic games from nintendo consoles. so i could spend 50 bucks for live and just get the basic service, or i could spend 50 bucks on my revolution and play a shitload of zelda, mario.. possibly final fantasy, ninja gaiden, and mega man games...
anyway, free online FTW.
let me just preface this post by saying this. I dont own a DS and dont plan to and I dont think I plan to get a Rev when/if it comes out, but in no way do I mean to rain on the parade of those systems respective owners and future owners. I think its great that more people get to enjoy the possibilities of online gaming in a format where its for the most part brand new.
but why the hell would you compare Nintendo's online service to MS's? first of all at this point everything is on paper. nobody knows how well its gonna work or how easy its gonna be to use. what will the lag be like?
secondly, for now the only thing youll be using it with is the DS. lets see playing online with a handheld vs playing online with a console with my choice of display and surround sound to enhance the experience. no contest.
if you already own a DS this is certainly something to look forward to but if you havent bought a DS by now is free online capability really the feature you were waiting on to pick it up? do the games that will be available to play not matter?
now when the Rev comes out if the service is still free and offers a comparable service to Live then I think you have grounds to make comparisons on. until then, conserve some electricity and stop posting about how this owns Live.
but why the hell would you compare Nintendo's online service to MS's? first of all at this point everything is on paper. nobody knows how well its gonna work or how easy its gonna be to use. what will the lag be like?
secondly, for now the only thing youll be using it with is the DS. lets see playing online with a handheld vs playing online with a console with my choice of display and surround sound to enhance the experience. no contest.
if you already own a DS this is certainly something to look forward to but if you havent bought a DS by now is free online capability really the feature you were waiting on to pick it up? do the games that will be available to play not matter?
now when the Rev comes out if the service is still free and offers a comparable service to Live then I think you have grounds to make comparisons on. until then, conserve some electricity and stop posting about how this owns Live.
Musashi Wins!
FLAWLESS VICTOLY!
Yea, voice chatting is so bad when we can draw penises!!!!
Transcript:
MRMARIOS69: LOLLLERBALLZ LOOK!11!
PEACHFUZZZYlvr: OMG!!1 DID U watCH DRAGONBALL?
MRMARIOS69: YER mum duz ballz.
PEACHFUZZYlvr: Tell mee WHere to HaX0rs DRAGONBALL?
MRMARIOS69: THIS is easy. BALLZ!
PEACHFUZZYlvr: im Ruzbeh at GAMING AGE!
MRMARIOS69: Yer mum iz. LOOK AT PENAS!
PEACHFUZZYlvr: do u wach DRAGONBALL?
at least we won't have to listen to cracking voices.
Transcript:
MRMARIOS69: LOLLLERBALLZ LOOK!11!
PEACHFUZZZYlvr: OMG!!1 DID U watCH DRAGONBALL?
MRMARIOS69: YER mum duz ballz.
PEACHFUZZYlvr: Tell mee WHere to HaX0rs DRAGONBALL?
MRMARIOS69: THIS is easy. BALLZ!
PEACHFUZZYlvr: im Ruzbeh at GAMING AGE!
MRMARIOS69: Yer mum iz. LOOK AT PENAS!
PEACHFUZZYlvr: do u wach DRAGONBALL?
at least we won't have to listen to cracking voices.
:lolMusashi Wins! said:
Seriously. Well, I was playing UT2004 the other day, on a voice-chat enabled server. And my voice-chat option was enabled so I could hear other people's voices and stuff. And there was this little kid that kept saying some weird gibberish shit, it was pretty scare stuff actually. Not a nice experience, I was about to say "SHUT THE FUCK UP DUMB KID" but I didn't know who was saying all that shit.
So I went to turn off voice chat and it took me a while to search the option to turn it off.Anyway, this bad experience of mine is what makes me sorta defend Nintendo on the action. Sure, I found the option to turn it off, but other people may not find the option easily, I can imagine. I hope Nintendo Revolution will feature a headset where it has a button to enable/disable voice-chat sound just like that.
Musashi Wins!
FLAWLESS VICTOLY!
I don't mind the DS lacking voice. I don't generally play it at home chilling out the way I do Live. I want to be able to play something quick while on break at work or on a plane. I'm sure Revolution will have it, it would be archaic otherwise.
Maybe online play on a plane is a bad example. Well, next week I'm going on vacation and the DS is going along, not my home console. It makes total sense for there to be factors involved in a portable online experience that aren't in a handheld.
Also, is Nintendo shying away from having voice IP on the DS because of how cheap it would be to use as a calling service?
Maybe online play on a plane is a bad example. Well, next week I'm going on vacation and the DS is going along, not my home console. It makes total sense for there to be factors involved in a portable online experience that aren't in a handheld.
Also, is Nintendo shying away from having voice IP on the DS because of how cheap it would be to use as a calling service?
shpankey
not an idiot
Forgot the most important category...
Games supporting service:
Live: Tons right now, hundreds coming.
NCW: Less than a handfull coming, one more after that, who knows after that.
Then the ever so important...
Availability:
Live: Right now.
NCW: Hey, this IS Nintendo, don't expect anything anytime soon ::coughZeldacough::
Games supporting service:
Live: Tons right now, hundreds coming.
NCW: Less than a handfull coming, one more after that, who knows after that.
Then the ever so important...
Availability:
Live: Right now.
NCW: Hey, this IS Nintendo, don't expect anything anytime soon ::coughZeldacough::
Zeo said:
The information that Nintendo has released about the "gamertag" Nintendo equivalent, as far as I can tell, is that people will get to choose any username they want for any individual DS (and I assume Revolution) game upon initial registration. This allows for duplicate names within a title if everyone wants to call themselves "Mario" in Mario Kart. Beyond that, all of a player's information for all games will be stored on Nintendo's servers and nintendo.com (or the European site for Europe) under the one username registered there. (Source)
It doesn't appear there is going to be a unique gamertag sort of setup across all DS and Revolution games. Even though other people can use the same ID as you in a particular online game, a stats page on a Nintendo website is where it can uniquely identify you across all games.
"Microtransactions" is just another way of saying "having people purchase online content and generate extra revenue." The cheaper something is, the more people will get it just because of its cost. 100 people buying a $1 upgrade on Live 360 will work the same way as 20 downloading a $5 SNES game on the Revolution. It's no different than what Nintendo is doing, really.
What remains to be seen is which system will generate more money for a publisher; a developer like Bungie, for instance, doesn't have any classic games worth downloading, and whomever has Acclaim's old games will basically get free money if they put all those games up for purchase on Revolution.
SteveMeister
Hang out with Steve.
XBox Live will indeed have downloadable demos available, as well as game trailers and Xbox Live Arcade. And I don't see anything like Marketplace on Nintendo's service. Finally, don't forget that you can get SOME Xbox Live services for free.
This is not to diminish Nintendo's network -- but some of the things in your list are not completely correct.
This is not to diminish Nintendo's network -- but some of the things in your list are not completely correct.
Games supporting service? A lot of publishers are embracing *cue jarrod posting the list*.shpankey said:
Availability? :lol Come on... now you're just trying too hard. It will be available on November 14th.
SteveMeister said:
Aren't those features in the next-gen Xbox Live service?
Sync M said:
I do.
I'd rather get new levels than to buy another game with a few additions made to it. It adds extra life to the title.
The problem with Nintendo's plan...what kind of game will support it? Will it have an NHL game? Nope. How about a sim racer? Nope. Arcade racer on the level of Ridge Racer? Nope.
Sure, tetris online is fun...and free is good. But I have a feeling the experience will not be the same as Live, if one chooses to compare the two, for the simple matter that the software that uses Live is far more enticing, well rounded, and more interesting than what Nintendo will offer (assuming that their lineup will mimic what is currently out now).
Fight for Freeform said:
thats an awfully big assumption. i'm expecting TONS of fps games on the revolution, with the perfect controller to play them, and free online. they may also end up getting some nice RTS games, plus things like spore or the sims where players create online content would be perfect for the rev becuase of the controller and the built in storage. I also imagine they will get all the EA sports franchises, just like everybody else, and i'm sure that EA will support the online functionality.
plus F-zero is a better arcade racer than ridge racer.
People are still aruging Nintendo online vs. PS2 online and Xbox Live. Here's the bottom line if you ask me:
Sony's online stance (at least for the PS2) is to give the developers and publishers all of the hardware, equipment, and information they need to take a game online and then let them do what they want. If they publisher is large enough to host the game on their own servers (EA, Ubisoft) then getting a game going might not be too bad. Otherwise, your game is POWERED BY GAMESPY and is guaranteed to be a bitch to play. Yes, it's free, but the hassle of getting everything setup, and then going through the clunky game interfaces (especially for GameSpy games) to play one game every 5 minutes is usually more trouble than it's worth. (Disclaimer: This is my personal opinion of PS2 online. Not everyone will agree with it, but I have a feeling most of you know what I'm talking about.)
For Microsoft, it's more clear. Pay $60 for a year and get a full-fledged service for playing games online. Friends list, Live Aware games, voice chat, and Halo 2, just to name a few. It's a snap to play an online game; just select online or the multiplayer option from the game's main menu, and bam, you're online playing other people. I think it's well worth the money... but only if you are using it several hours a week. I don't have an Xbox, but if I did I wouldn't have Live. I just wouldn't have the time to take advantage of it for it to be worth it to me.
So what does Nintendo do? They take all the advantages of Sony's system (free; letting publishers do what they want with the title) and most of the advantages of Microsoft's system (easy to setup and use; friends list; centralized online account) and puts them all in the same service. Add in all of those downloadable Nintendo games and the DS/Revolution combo, and you've got a helluva online setup. For free.
Sony's online stance (at least for the PS2) is to give the developers and publishers all of the hardware, equipment, and information they need to take a game online and then let them do what they want. If they publisher is large enough to host the game on their own servers (EA, Ubisoft) then getting a game going might not be too bad. Otherwise, your game is POWERED BY GAMESPY and is guaranteed to be a bitch to play. Yes, it's free, but the hassle of getting everything setup, and then going through the clunky game interfaces (especially for GameSpy games) to play one game every 5 minutes is usually more trouble than it's worth. (Disclaimer: This is my personal opinion of PS2 online. Not everyone will agree with it, but I have a feeling most of you know what I'm talking about.)
For Microsoft, it's more clear. Pay $60 for a year and get a full-fledged service for playing games online. Friends list, Live Aware games, voice chat, and Halo 2, just to name a few. It's a snap to play an online game; just select online or the multiplayer option from the game's main menu, and bam, you're online playing other people. I think it's well worth the money... but only if you are using it several hours a week. I don't have an Xbox, but if I did I wouldn't have Live. I just wouldn't have the time to take advantage of it for it to be worth it to me.
So what does Nintendo do? They take all the advantages of Sony's system (free; letting publishers do what they want with the title) and most of the advantages of Microsoft's system (easy to setup and use; friends list; centralized online account) and puts them all in the same service. Add in all of those downloadable Nintendo games and the DS/Revolution combo, and you've got a helluva online setup. For free.
Fight for Freeform said:
Take a look at the DS library before assuming anything about Nintendo's line-up of first and third party games for the Revolution, especially the DS games that are online.
Like Nintendo said, everyone is starting from the same starting line with the Revolution. That includes the developers, publishers and Nintendo themselves. Let them run the race before making any assumptions.
CarlosX360
Banned
Eh. Why are we even comparing DS and Xbox online services?
I don't think that's right. Handheld vs Console? *raises eyebrow*
I don't think that's right. Handheld vs Console? *raises eyebrow*
SteveMeister
Hang out with Steve.
Ruzbeh said:
Yes. But why compare Nintendo's new service to Microsoft's old one?
SteveMeister
Hang out with Steve.
Sync M said:
Don't presume to speak for the entirety of Xbox owners.
Fight for Freeform said:
they don't have to make sim sports titles. EA will do that for them and they will probably support the rev online functions. Sim racers might be slim, but tekken and VF only count when somebody shows them running online. I'm not sure online will work with ultra technical fighters. i tried it with guilty gear, and it was ass... split second timing issues could ruin VF. (and to be fair, it could also ruin SSBM)
as i said in my edit above.. the rev should get tons of FPS games and that controller will be superior for playing them. FPS is the most popular online genre... They'll probably get some rts games and they should get games like the sims and spore that rely on player created content.
that should make their service very different from live as far as content. But still very deep and full of games that are great for online play. Don't forget that 3rd party's also make games for nintendo systems.. they didn't get killer support this gen, but they still got plenty of 3rd party games, especially from the big publishers like EA and ubisoft.
While the free aspect of Nintendo's service is great Xbox Live trumps it in almost every concievable way being the more mature service. Easier friends list and more robust match making and stat tracking. Messaging is key and while there are jerks on XBL, I won't be happy when I own my bud on the last stretch of the last lap in MKDS and can rub it in his face but safety first for the kids I guess. Not to mention XBL will have text messaging as well and have cross platform messaging with MSN eventually or so they said. Both services have downloadable demos and microtransactions though. My main concern is that if a closed network like XBL can't keep the cheats, hackers, and assholes out then what chance does Nintendo have? Still it's not like we're paying for it and I think for a majority of more casual users that's more important and is likely to get more people online as long as the content is there which is another big question.
Fight for Freeform said:
only if the rev sells less than the cube... that's not likley, especially in japan. They like quirky things and they don't care that much about power. Brain training, cooking sims and crazy shit like that sell games in japan, and that causes japanese devs to support the console, which eventually leads to more games released in the US. For example, even though the psp is outselling the DS right now in the us, the japanese support is making the DS lineup much more appealing.
anyway, so far, devs that have commented on the revolution are more than enthusiastic, they sound inspired. i expect the revolution to sell better than the cube, and i expect it to get more support.
To everyone who disses voice chat over XBL: FU.
I'm sorry everyone makes fun of you and your squeaky voice, but this system is for us big boys. And I'm sorry you don't have the conversation skills to assemble a decent friend list of people to play with. If people are annoying, then fucking MUTE them. Jesus.
I'm sorry everyone makes fun of you and your squeaky voice, but this system is for us big boys. And I'm sorry you don't have the conversation skills to assemble a decent friend list of people to play with. If people are annoying, then fucking MUTE them. Jesus.
Let's compare apples to apples and talk about consoles.
Xbox 360's support for online games:
These are just some of the the launch window titles:
- Perfect Dark Collector's Edition ONLINE
- Project Gotham Racing 3 ONLINE
- Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
- Dead or Alive 4 ONLINE
- Call of Duty 2 ONLINE
- GUN
- Quake 4 ONLINE
- Tony Hawk's American Wasteland ONLINE
- Condemned
- Madden NFL 2006 ONLINE
- Kameo ONLINE
- Amped 3 ONLINE
- Ghost Recon ONLINE
- NBA 2K6 ONLINE
- NHL 2K6 ONLINE
- Ridge Racer 6 ONLINE
- Top Spin 2 ONLINE
- Need for Speed: Most Wanted ONLINE
- Tiger Woods 2006 ONLINE
- FIFA Soccer 06 ONLINE
% of online games = 85%, most third party
% of games bound to be online in first party lineup = Virtually 100%
Feature-rich, well-supported.
Revolution:
Seriously, I will be surprised if the final Revolution library totals more than 60% of the total X360 library. Online titles? Not even close to the same number.
Of course, in this industry, you should always depend upon magic above experience.
Xbox 360's support for online games:
These are just some of the the launch window titles:
- Perfect Dark Collector's Edition ONLINE
- Project Gotham Racing 3 ONLINE
- Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
- Dead or Alive 4 ONLINE
- Call of Duty 2 ONLINE
- GUN
- Quake 4 ONLINE
- Tony Hawk's American Wasteland ONLINE
- Condemned
- Madden NFL 2006 ONLINE
- Kameo ONLINE
- Amped 3 ONLINE
- Ghost Recon ONLINE
- NBA 2K6 ONLINE
- NHL 2K6 ONLINE
- Ridge Racer 6 ONLINE
- Top Spin 2 ONLINE
- Need for Speed: Most Wanted ONLINE
- Tiger Woods 2006 ONLINE
- FIFA Soccer 06 ONLINE
% of online games = 85%, most third party
% of games bound to be online in first party lineup = Virtually 100%
Feature-rich, well-supported.
Revolution:
Seriously, I will be surprised if the final Revolution library totals more than 60% of the total X360 library. Online titles? Not even close to the same number.
Of course, in this industry, you should always depend upon magic above experience.
Ninja Scooter
Member
there's gonna be little prick assholes screaming "HA I PWNED YOU F@GGOTZ!" on ANY kind of online service. They're there when i play Counterstrike, they are there on PS2 online. Thats the reason i stopped playing wiht the headset on Madden PS2 unless i was playing somebody i knew, or someone from GAF.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
I might change my online handle for nintendo games just so parents and the media will get upset ... "WUDULIKE2CSUMPUPPIES"
[POKEMON ONLINE (oh come now, you know this is the reason this service is coming)]
Jnr. Vasquez : My mommy said i can play till late, want to swap pokemon?
WUDULIKE2CSUMPUPPIES : Oh, you want to play with the contents of my balls huh?
Jnr. Vasquez : Yes, i have pikachu already - Lets battle
WUDULIKE2CSUMPUPPIES : Yes, lets get our balls out and wrestle!
Jnr. Vasquez : I will win, i have a lvl 12 Psyduck...
WUDULIKE2CSUMPUPPIES : I think i'm going to go with Squirtles.... and it's a level 34! HA HA HA , MY SQUIRTLES IN YOUR FACE
(Horrified mother reads log, DC arrested)
[POKEMON ONLINE (oh come now, you know this is the reason this service is coming)]
Jnr. Vasquez : My mommy said i can play till late, want to swap pokemon?
WUDULIKE2CSUMPUPPIES : Oh, you want to play with the contents of my balls huh?
Jnr. Vasquez : Yes, i have pikachu already - Lets battle
WUDULIKE2CSUMPUPPIES : Yes, lets get our balls out and wrestle!
Jnr. Vasquez : I will win, i have a lvl 12 Psyduck...
WUDULIKE2CSUMPUPPIES : I think i'm going to go with Squirtles.... and it's a level 34! HA HA HA , MY SQUIRTLES IN YOUR FACE
(Horrified mother reads log, DC arrested)
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