EerieArcade
Member
One of my favourite games of all time. Currently on my fourth playthrough.
Crownttano
Member
Miss Those Damn GunStick Tonfas
Also The Satisfaction Of Pulling Off The Full Beyond Infinity Skill With Fists!!!
And Doing 150k+ Damage With The Straight Punch Gesture
Gay Porn For Straight Guys Is Bliss!!!!
Also The Satisfaction Of Pulling Off The Full Beyond Infinity Skill With Fists!!!
And Doing 150k+ Damage With The Straight Punch Gesture
Gay Porn For Straight Guys Is Bliss!!!!
NeverYouMind
Member
Avoid group battles and use the bow you acquire to pick off stragglers with head shots. If there is a demon face it with your Yokai transformation or learn to space and punish with strong long range attacks like throwing axes, Kusarigama toss, or spear thrust.
I think Wo Long's gameplay design is better for not having burst counters, stamina management for basic attacks, and Ki Pulse. Also has cool weapon specials (Martial Arts), Stratagems, and better armor set bonuses for different builds. It also animates much more fluidly.
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DaciaJC
Gold Member
I think most fans would say yes, but seeing as they play nearly identically apart from a couple of new features in the sequel, don't expect a radically different experience if you hated the original.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
They are actually very different if you play through to the highest difficulty cycles and post-game stage. In Nioh peak performance is pretty simply achieved through using ninjutsu to sneak-attack and one-shot most anything. In Nioh 2 its all about buff stacking and maintaining those buffs long-enough to defeat enemies with whatever weapon/style you choose. Which not only is harder but requires really learning how builds work.
Playing Nioh 2 like the first will only get you so far (smoothly at least, if you aren't amazingly skilled) because without the devil-trigger style mechanics of the first game you don't have the same ability to pull-out massive damage spikes in a pinch. Which may sound like a downgrade but it really isn't because there are so many more tools in your arsenal to combine in order to get the same result.
Its a way more refined version of the game that ultimately has its own very distinctive feel. I love them both, but no doubt the second is bigger and better.
gaming_again
Member
It's way too fussy for me. I love the atmosphere though.
Arachnid
Member
This is how I felt about the first, and why I haven't tried the second yet
But you may have just sold me lol
FreeY$L
Member
I think you can make a Dragon Ninja build with Hayabusa gear too, you can also fight Hayabusa clan members, joe or someone else
Jigsaah
Gold Member
I enjoyed Nioh 2....hated the loot system. Trying to min-max is such a chore....I dare say there is too much loot variety in the game. It doesn't help that I'm a hoarder.
It got to the point to where I refused to upgrade unless I got to a point where I couldn't progress. Just didn't want to be bothered with it.
It got to the point to where I refused to upgrade unless I got to a point where I couldn't progress. Just didn't want to be bothered with it.
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moniker
Member
It's funny - I completely agree with this list but is still think both Niohs are very entertaining.
_Idea_of_Evil_
Member
I would say both Nioh 1 and 2 are absolutely worth playing. I'm in the "Nioh 2 is best" boat, but after revisiting 1, I can see why some might think 1 is better. The overall tone and more straightfoward combat has its own distinct feel in 1. They added more combat mechanics in 2 and bumped up the difficulty.
Where the Nioh games lack in level design and exploration, they make up for with thrilling combat. As for the complaints about the Diablo-like loot system, I think they're pretty nonsensical as the game allows multiple ways to make use of your excess/trash loot. I like to offer my excess loot to shrines for extra XP (Amrita) and elixirs.
Also, Wo Long is a great time too.
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JokerMM
Gay porn is where it's at.
more challenging than Lies of P is an understatement imo. Nioh 2 is probably the hardest game i have ever played
Nocty
Gold Member
oh damn really? Thats great news. I have been hankering for a challenging game, it's been a while.
Is the platinum run really tough?
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Not especially. The real challenge in Nioh/Nioh2/Wo Long are all deep in the true endgame cycles. Which unlocks usually around NG+2, but really requires gear itemization from NG+4 to give you a serious chance. The "Abyss" type true endgame content scales in difficulty up way past NG+4 level with unique sets appearing at high levels in there.
If this sounds repetitive, well it kinda is. But TN make it relatively quick and friendly to speed through NG+ cycles by only doing a subset of the missions.
Again, you do this so as to access higher itemization tiers and new customization/advancement mechanics.
Nioh 2 has by far the most dense set of progression parameters, and you'll really need to understand how things fit together to truly min-max. Its orders of magnitude more involved than anything in other Souls' type games.
Blood Borne
Member
Nah.
Sekiro > Ninja Gaiden 2.
shenmue mugen
Member
Nioh 1 and 2 are fantastic games. Extremely tight controls and fast combat.
Grizzled Ghost
Member
How is Sekiro an RPG?
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
If you enjoy pressing one button with that simplistic-ass combat system, sure. Just stand in place and parry. Better than Nioh and NG? Lol
From fans really need to get a clue.
Blood Borne
Member
I’ve probably put more hours in NG, NGB, NGS, NG2 and NGS2 more than anyone in this forum. And yes, Sekiro is the better game.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Might be the better game because the story isn’t complete ass and the exploration is awesome, but as far as combat goes, it doesn’t hold a candle to NG or Nioh.
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
I completely disagree, for me Sekiro ‘s combat was absolute bliss.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
It’s not bad and is quite unique, but 1 weapon with a limited moveset and a couple of Shinobi tools don’t make for enough combat and encounter variety. Far too centralized around the parry system and doesn’t let the player get as creative as NG or Nioh’s far deeper combat.
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
Again i disagrees you can use sub weapons and skills to make combat even more interesting.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Now compare this to Nioh and NG and have a laugh. This is a farce compared to what you can do either game.
More difficult than Nioh 1? I beat a sequence of bosses 1st try in Nioh 2 which I never managed in Nioh 1. It felt like a lot of the bosses were a downgrade compared to the first game.
Spooky Scary Skeleton
Member
I thought it was bang average. People constantly put other Soulsborne games like Lies of P and Khazan to average Soulsbourne game list, but Nioh fits that bill and hits every single checkmarks.
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
I still like Sekiro’s combat better, in fact I go as far as say it has best sword combat.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Eh maybe. Can’t give it to a game where you can stand in place, press one button and beat 90% of the enemies, but that might just be me.
Arachnid
Member
IMO it's the precision that makes it the best. I'd argue Sekiro's mechanics being built around less mechanics is what makes it a boon, in a quality > quantity way. Enemies aren't just fodder. Everyone is unique and poses a unique threat, and the only way to overcome them is to get good at actually fighting/using the mechanics. It's the only one of these games that feels like an instinctual dance to me, legit methodical. Insane speed, perfect hit boxes, extreme precision.
I also completely hated it at launch. I got all the way to the final boss and stopped. I got back to it a few months ago, and it finally clicked in a way my initial playthrough didn't. Within the next two weeks, I got to NG+6, got the plat, and finished the gauntlets. The gauntlets were legit the best bosses I've ever come across in a video game.
I played Nioh 1 but greatly disliked it. 2 is on my list, but I haven't gotten around to it. IMO Sekiro has better combat, but maybe it just didn't click for me yet. I didn't like how bosses had to be approached in a certain way like a puzzle, vs just fighting. IMO that's not good boss design for these games. I did hear Nioh 2 improved on the first a solid amount though.
I'm too much of an NG fan to disparage it or Sekiro at eithers expense though. Both of these are IMO the two top CAGs, and Sekiro was the first game to demand the kind of precision master ninja used to demand of me when I was younger. They give me similar feelings.
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_Idea_of_Evil_
Member
To each their own. Could it be that you were more familiar with how to play Nioh in general by the time that you got to 2, versus 1 still being a "new" experience thus had a more challenging time with it?
Sekiro indeed has the best sword combat, but it's also its own thing, dare I say it's own genre. I don't think it makes sense to try to compare it to NG; The NG games are in the same vein of action games like DMC or Bayonetta (NG being the best of these). IMO it's like arguing that Gran Turismo has better driving than Mario Kart. One is a racing sim, another is an arcade racer. Different genres going for different feel/experience.
This is a very reductionist perspective towards Sekiro combat. If you're only standing in place and parrying, that shows the depth of your skill as the game's combat system allows for much more technical and varied playstyles, and use of the shinobi tools. Sekiro combat is extremely dynamic and visceral, if you know how to maximize your shinobi toolkit and chain together different skills.
Danjin44
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Just like any action game you can play it most boring way possible, in game DMC just use combo and nothing else and beat the game, its same with Sekiro……it up player if they want to use tools given to them.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Path of least resistance. You cannot do that at all in NG. The fact that Sekiro’s combat can be diluted to that one simple mechanic is why I don’t think it belongs in the discussion. That and the fairly limited amount of options the combat provided compared to the other games mentioned.
Just use combo and nothing else? Nice try at doing an equivalency, but you failed miserably. Pulling off combos still require astronomically more engagement than timing your parry. Not that this even matters because Sekiro’s combat is insanely limited and restrictive compared to NG or Nioh 2.
At least, it has the original Nioh beaten in enemy variety.
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JaxarGT
Neo Member
Yeah I dropped the first game about 3/4 through as I found it all too repetitive. Started out really strong though.
Never bothered with the second game as it looked more of the same.
I never experienced that with the From games. Nioh 2 still had some bosses that gave me a lot of trouble but it felt like that were a lot of filler bosses that went down a bit too easily.
The real hardest Nioh was the notorious Nioh 1 Alpha. That was brutal. If Itagaki was still around the retail final release would've been harder not easier.
Major Insano
Member
I was god-like at the first game. Made into the top ten globally for a week or two.
Practically ovulating.
I just didn't have the time for the second when it came out.
Tough to go back to it now.
Practically ovulating.
I just didn't have the time for the second when it came out.
Tough to go back to it now.
Grizzled Ghost
Member
Ovulating...?
GasparYanga
Neo Member
I've always ignored this one. I'll admit, Bloodborne and Sekiro ruined my interest in this game.
Maybe I'll check it out
Maybe I'll check it out
Andrew Evenstar
Member
i can't wait to play this game. late to the party and towards the end of Nioh1 right now. Nioh 2 looks so damn awesome I can not WAIT !! love the loot system and fast combat. been using tonfas, heard claws or whatever are even better in nioh 2 lol
BbMajor7th
Member
Nioh 2 is fantastic - I had a blast with it. Almost bottomless in terms of mechanics, but I like the game of two halves design, one which is hardcore action, the other which is between games and can really involve hours of build tweaking.
Major Insano
Member
I was at the height of my powers to both create and end life. It's a term i like to use occasionally.
Anyway, I had an op ninja build,lightweight, dual katanas.
With the Kenney skin, liked the torn rags.
Maria used to one-shot me though on ng+x
Thinking of going back to 2 with all this reminiscing.