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No Indictment in Ohio Wal-Mart Police Shooting
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Indrid Cold1
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If I remember this right it's the guy who called 999 who is mostly to blame isn't it?
Crazy. Tbh I thought most of the rifles for show were stuck on the shelves or had obvious markings that they were just airsoft guns at WalMart. I heard the guy was going around pointing it at people, but I mean if you have a replica of an airsoft rifle in your store and it's so similar that it's hard to distinguish. idk how it's not kept locked down or at least marked or something.
Bad shit all around. Reading back now, from the other thread the caller said some outlandish shit too. Shit's real bad
Bad shit all around. Reading back now, from the other thread the caller said some outlandish shit too. Shit's real bad
The cops shot him in the side...they didn't give him a chance to comply.
Also, the 911 caller is a straight up liar.
Gordon Shumway
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Ah, so you were a witness. Actually, nevermind..carry on. This is the usual routine..
Watch the video before spouting bullshit.
If he called 999 in Ohio nobody would pick up.
cheststrongwell
my cake, fuck off
Did they ever release the video of this?
911 in US, and it does sound like that is part. But cops should have done a better assessment of the situation, it also seems.
The Cowboy
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Yes.
Video of him walking around the store.
http://www.whio.com/news/news/crime-law/special-grand-jury-selected-john-crawford-case/nhRwM/
Video of him being shot.
http://www.whio.com/videos/news/walmart-shooting-surveillance-video-captures/vCtB6Z/
Gordon Shumway
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Only to Coin..
soundahfekz
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"Tell me what's a black life worth
A bottle of juice is no excuse, the truth hurts
And even when you take the shit
Move counties get a lawyer you can shake the shit
Ask Rodney, LaTasha, and many more
It's been goin on for years, there's plenty more
When they ask me, when will the violence cease?
When your troops stop shootin n***** down in the street"
Pac in '96-97 still ringing true as ever. SMH
A bottle of juice is no excuse, the truth hurts
And even when you take the shit
Move counties get a lawyer you can shake the shit
Ask Rodney, LaTasha, and many more
It's been goin on for years, there's plenty more
When they ask me, when will the violence cease?
When your troops stop shootin n***** down in the street"
Pac in '96-97 still ringing true as ever. SMH
BronsonLee
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This has always been the vibe I had. I don't think this situation is over.
A majority of the blame was on the couple that SWATted him but the cops were overzealous and didn't allow any time for the man to comply or even assess the situation. If he was going to do something he would have done it by then. Also this is an open carry state.
I'm surprised there isn't talk of a suit against the couple that called 911 yet. Are they waiting for some reason or are they not able to get a case for that? Because that sets a very horrible precedent that can and already is being abused to hell and back.
I'm surprised there isn't talk of a suit against the couple that called 911 yet. Are they waiting for some reason or are they not able to get a case for that? Because that sets a very horrible precedent that can and already is being abused to hell and back.
Vicetrailia
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Life in these United States....
The video of him being shot there is not accurate, at least according to what the special prosecutor stated at the press conference. The shots were fired while police were out of frame. The entire video there is the aftermath.
wanderingprostheyltite
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So what did the couple that called 911 say exactly?
What orders did the officers give before killing him?
You know, I've been suicidal all my life, I've seen so many doctors, none seem to help me.
As someone who attempt's suicide often is it so comforting to know that even if my ass chickens out, all I need to do is stand in front of a police station. No wonder my physic can't seem to help me, my life means shit!
I can't take it anymore....
As someone who attempt's suicide often is it so comforting to know that even if my ass chickens out, all I need to do is stand in front of a police station. No wonder my physic can't seem to help me, my life means shit!
I can't take it anymore....
CyclopsRock
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I'm struggling to even understand what the video is showing. It's 21 seconds long - is that the first interaction between the various blobs?
Lots of things don't seem to stack up.
Said he was pointing it at customers/children, then went back later and said he never shouldered the weapons. That he looked like he was waving it around as well, loading bullets, claimed to be ex-marine yet wasn't really, lots of shady stuff. The dispatcher has some of the blame as well, lots of dissonance between the two for some reason it seems.
Dubbedinenglish
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IIRC that he was "pointing the gun at people," "looked like he wants to down shooting" etc to that effect.
That couple should at the least be liable in a civil case.
How can you possibly come to this conclusion from the specifics of this case? It's baseless exaggeration.
http://www.whio.com/videos/news/walmart-shooting-in-store-video-shows-crawford/vCtBwq/
That video there shows the actual shooting (according to the prosecutor).
That video there shows the actual shooting (according to the prosecutor).
TheRedSnifit
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So basically, the guy takes an air gun off the shelf at a store and is carrying it (to buy it?) and gets shot because of a couple of jackasses and overzealous cops. Well then.
Even with them (questionably) deciding that the cops were in the right, there's no reason the guy who called 911 shouldn't be tried for felony murder or something.
Well then.
Even with them (questionably) deciding that the cops were in the right, there's no reason the guy who called 911 shouldn't be tried for felony murder or something.
Well then.
If you are being serious and you aren't getting the help you need there is nothing wrong in finding someone else. Just because someone has the title Dr. does not always mean they are good at what they do or you should take everything they say or do on faith, trust me on that one.
There is literally a category for what you are describing though called Suicide by police or something like that. People have and do this for real and as much as I hate how people gang up on those who commit suicide and call it selfish I really have a hard time feeling bad for people who do that. They are being selfish because they are forcing others to do it for them causing them possibily years of mental anguish and trauma and also endangering others.
AstroNut325
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How is this even possible? The officers involved should be in jail and suffering.
Coffee Dog
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I'm sure the cops will appreciate your defense of their actions. Especially since you seem to know nothing of what happened.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
sounds like whoever called amped up the situation to create the situation where the police were ready to come in full force. i can see how they can use that to get the police off the hook.
someone has to burn for this, though. whoever called it in basically killed him.
someone has to burn for this, though. whoever called it in basically killed him.
I know the news story said a grand jury (which was presented with the evidence) decided to not issue charges. Why else would they do that unless evidence suggested that cops arrived, issued orders that the suspect ignored, and took down the perceived threat.
Outrage all you want. Walmart shouldn't be selling replicas of weapons.
So you are just assuming orders were given because......reasons. Come on.
theignoramus
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So should the piece of shit 911 caller that lied to the dispatch. What a fucking asshole he is. I hope he feels it to.
What orders were given by police?!
Your issue is with Walmart selling replica weapons and not the innocent black man gunned by police?!
The guy who called 911 and got the cops to show up later changed his story from "he was pointing the weapon at customers" to "he wasn't pointing it at them, he was still waiving it around".
Really, you think they were justified in killing an innocent man when the 'perceived threat' was under a false premise?
I find it difficult to believe that he would ignore orders and provoked police to shoot him.
Jmanunknown
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Really you are a fool a damn fool ohio is open carry even if he was carrying a real rifle they have no legal right at all to tell him to put it down. They killed an innocent man for no reason at all except he allegedly did not comply to their orders despite not having to. Your apart of the reason why cops are able to kill innocent people and get away with it.
My issue is with the 911 caller who convinced a police force that an innocent black man had a real firearm. My issue is with Walmart for letting a situation arise by putting realistic looking toy weapons on the shelf.
If the cops didn't issue any orders, don't any of you think the grand jury would say that? The article specifically mentions that orders were given.
Jmanunknown
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He is not a suspect the man in this incident john crawford was innocent. He did not even take the bb gun out its package it was already out of it when he found it. Of course the grand jury in a predominately white town is not gonna sympathize with an innocent black man who did absolutely nothing wrong that day except apparently be black in that particular walmart.
Amazing that the mom and 2 kids were not worried by the suspect, but the cops roll in and shoot him. The only video I could find didn't show the cops come in, it cut away before that. But no one in the store on the video was alarmed by the guy. I never saw him point it at anyone (he did raise it towards some shelves as was walking down the aisle).
Sad, but expected. I dont expect this to get much national attention, although it should.
Sad, but expected. I dont expect this to get much national attention, although it should.
Ahhh. So no blame should be placed on the caller. Gotcha.
Full press conference can be seen here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tS3jVtEwik
shooting occurs around the 10min mark
shooting occurs around the 10min mark
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
and no blame should be placed on the cops?
Sho_Nuff82
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PSA: Ohio is an open carry state. Had that been a real rifle, the victim would have still been well within his 2nd Amendment rights to carry it around the store. With no license.
That's bullshit. The one who pulls the trigger of his or her own accord, ESPECIALLY when they are given a professional responsibility to properly assess and deal with the situation, is the one who should be held ultimately accountable
Where the fuck are the people who are always talking about responsible gun owners? TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS WHEN YOU USE A FIREARM.
Jmanunknown
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Where did I say no blame should be placed on the caller? Their is a lot of blame to go around and none of it should be put on john crawford who is now dead and that is what you tried to do in your original post. You can try and deny it but, you did.
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