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[MrparisSM]

Do you think this will help them for Xenon? The biggest selling game on the PS2 is a 3rd party game(and Take Two could easily choose Xenon as their main platform if the market makes is viable). That doesn't bode well for Sony, since they are not gaurenteed to have their biggest selling franchises on the PS2 to be exclusive for the PS3. With Xenon coming out the gate first and having an established userbase this looks even worse for PS3 to have as many exclusives as PS2 has enjoyed. Now on to Nintendo.

Like I've stated in another thread, Nintendo's franchises on the Gamecube simply aren't selling what they used to, I understand it's a smaller user base, but it seems like they just aren't creating content that a majority of consumers are getting excited about. If Xbox is able to accomplish these kinds of sales with Halo, and Xbox and Gamecube have a similar userbase, surely Nintendo must be doing something wrong? I don't think Nintendo will have much momentum going into Next Gen.

 

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[Wario64]

 

[lexi]

Halo 2 can't really be compared to any released GCN game. No GCN game had the sheer amount of hype Halo 2 did. A fairer comparison would be Halo 2 and OOT.

 

[MrparisSM]

Hey it's late. And I'm just tryna pass the time.

 

[Date of Lies]

are you an industry analyst? cause you sure sound like one.

 

[Blackace]

Halo 2 can't really be compared to any released GCN game. No GCN game had the sheer amount of hype Halo 2 did. A fairer comparison would be Halo 2 and OOT.

Huh? who is to blame for the lack of hype????

 

[Triumph]

 

[MrparisSM]

are you an industry analyst? cause you sure sound like one.

Nope. Just trying to gather opinions.

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

Halo = The new Sonic

If Microsoft manages it right, they got a hit on their hands. They need Halo at launch or a promise of Halo soon after launch or Xenon will be closer to death.

 

[Drinky Crow]

This troll gets the Drinky Crow INFERIOR GRADE warning label.

Try again. Can I suggest "WoW on the DS: Will TOUCH make characters have real balance?"

 

[MrparisSM]

This troll gets the Drinky Crow INFERIOR GRADE warning label.

Try again. Can I suggest "WoW on the DS: Will TOUCH make characters have real balance?"

Ummm, I love Nintendo and I love my DS. You might want to research my post history. This is in no way a "Troll" post, this is MY opinion.

 

[sohka88]

Now that Microsoft has the biggest selling 1st Gen franchise

Bigger than GT?


I get embarrased every time I read one of your posts.

 

[MrparisSM]

Bigger than GT?


I get embarrased every time I read one of your posts.

WTF does that mean?

Anyway, yest the original Halo has outsold GT for the PS2 in the U.S. And Halo 2 is well on it's way to outselling it worldwide. Also my title should have been "The best selling 1st Party title this Gen"... But I'm not able to edit my post so I can't change it. sorry.

 

[lexi]

Bigger than GT?

 

[sohka88]

Anyway, yest the original Halo has outsold GT for the PS2 in the U.S

So only the US counts? I see.

 

[sohka88]

I am sure nintendo would rather take 10 of their games selling 1 to 2 million each than only having one game that sells 5 to 6 milion.

 

[MrparisSM]

So only the US counts? I see.

No the US is not what only counts(didn't I mention Halo 2's sales aswell?) But we are the most important market believe it or not. And where are you from again?

 

[MrparisSM]

I am sure nintendo would rather take 10 of their games selling 1 to 2 million each than only having one game that sells 5 to 6 milion.

That doesn't make any sense, because they have to spend money+time to develop those said games.

 

[sohka88]

That doesn't make any sense, because they have to spend money+time to develop those said games

like I didn't know you were not gonna understand.

 

[MrparisSM]

like I didn't know you were not gonna understand.

:sigh I'm through with you. Would anybody else care to comment?

 

[Defensor]

That doesn't bode well for Sony, since they are not gaurenteed to have their biggest selling franchises on the PS2 to be exclusive for the PS3.

I would like to call this statement fubar. Games like Gran Turismo, SOCOM II, Hots Shots Golf, Ratchet & Clank, ATV Offroad fury(to a lesser extent), Twisted Metal, and The Getaway say hi2u.

 

[SolidSnakex]

That doesn't make any sense, because they have to spend money+time to develop those said games.

The benefit is that most of Nintendo's games aren't going to cost lots of moeny to develop so they're making money on them very quickly.

As for the GT series being the #1 first party title, that's true. GT3's still the best selling games worldwide this gen.

 

[Kobold]

No the US is not what only counts(didn't I mention Halo 2's sales aswell?) But we are the most important market believe it or not. And where are you from again?

That's not entirely true anymore. Europe is catching up bigtime. I'd say importance-wise they are much closer to being equal now, certainly in future prospects, it could become bigger in a matter of years.

But I don't think it matters that Halo 1 sold well. it's one of the few franchises that sold a really insanely lot from Microsoft as 1st party. The rest is just million or two, max I believe. Sony has many many million sellers, Jak, Ratchet, GT, etc, you name 'em!

Not just one franchise will decide the next console cycle leader, I believe. Sure they can get a lot closer, maybe overtake. But Sony wont just go away!

 

[Do The Mario]

Halo 2 can't really be compared to any released GCN game. No GCN game had the sheer amount of hype Halo 2 did. A fairer comparison would be Halo 2 and OOT.

Lockii please try harder to hide you’re fanboyism, saying that you can’t compare Halo 2 to any GC games but you can compare it to OOT is ridiculous.

 

[MrparisSM]

I would like to call this statement fubar. Games like Gran Turismo, SOCOM II, Hots Shots Golf, Ratchet & Clank, ATV Offroad fury(to a lesser extent), Twisted Metal, and The Getaway say hi2u.

Those games aren't particularly "great" sellers though, sure they get decent sales. What I was refering to was mainly the biggest sellers on the PS2 which refers to the MGSs, the FFs, GTAs, etc.... I see your point though, they do have more games that have sold good, but nobody I think is going to Buy a new system for those games(besides GT that is).

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

Lockii please try harder to hide you’re fanboyism, saying that you can’t compare Halo 2 to any GC games but you can compare it to OOT is ridiculous.

As far as marketing and stuff goes, no you CANNOT compare Halo 2 to any GC games. Hell, I'd compare Halo 1 to Goldeneye (Becomes phenomenon after release) and Halo 2 to Ocarina of Time (Phenomenon before release).

 

[lexi]

Lockii please try harder to hide you’re fanboyism, saying that you can’t compare Halo 2 to any GC games but you can compare it to OOT is ridiculous.

I am pointing the finger at Nintendo for not delivering on the advertising front. Be a little more careful in your accusations.

 

[MrparisSM]

As far as marketing and stuff goes, no you CANNOT compare Halo 2 to any GC games. Hell, I'd compare Halo 1 to Goldeneye (Becomes phenomenon after release) and Halo 2 to Ocarina of Time (Phenomenon before release).

The point is that Nintendo has failed to created either one of these for this Gen... Even though I do remember Zelda:WW having it's share fair of hype, but in the end it wasn't very longwinded.

 

[Do The Mario]

As far as marketing and stuff goes, no you CANNOT compare Halo 2 to any GC games. Hell, I'd compare Halo 1 to Goldeneye (Becomes phenomenon after release) and Halo 2 to Ocarina of Time (Phenomenon before release).

Well fuck lets compare it Super Mario Bros 3 or Duck Hunt?

It’s more realistic to compare it to the titles it’s released with rather then a 6 year old title, The industry was different back in 1998 then it is now.

 

[Do The Mario]

I am pointing the finger at Nintendo for not delivering on the advertising front. Be a little more careful in your accusations.

By bringing up OOT in a Halo 2 thread rofl :lol

We can now only compare sales between games with an equal amount of Hype and advertising.

 

[budala1]

How much is M$ paying you to post this stuff?

 

[BeOnEdge]

halo is indeed bigger than GT. GTs time in the light is definately over. Wasnt GT3 released before the original halo? The constant delay of GT4 and the broadening of the racing genre since GT3 will definately have an effect on GT4s sales. did i mention no online play?

 

[Defensor]

Those games aren't particularly "great" sellers though, sure they get decent sales. What I was refering to was mainly the biggest sellers on the PS2 which refers to the MGSs, the FFs, GTAs, etc.... I see your point though, they do have more games that have sold good, but nobody I think is going to Buy a new system for those games(besides GT that is).

SOCOM II along with SOCOM 1 are great sellers on the PS2. Son, check your PS2 online and see that SOCOM II is still the best selling and most played PS2 online game. I could argue the rest of the titles I listed are not "great", although I firmly believe the Hots Shots Golf series is a system seller. The games I listed are exclusive to PS2 and are 1st party games(like Halo 2). I didn't go the way of listing GTA and FF titles because those are 3rd party games for the PS2. My reply was to show you some 1st party games that are exclusive to Sony that are great seller games. If Sony was to release SOCOM III online for the PS3, I guarantee you that SOCOM III would be a big seller for PS3 and a system seller.

 

[lexi]

By bringing up OOT in a Halo 2 thread rofl :lol

We can now only compare sales between games with an equal amount of Hype and advertising.

I was speaking purely from an advertising/hype angle, other posts reflect this. And it's true, Halo 2 can't be compared to any released GCN game in terms of hype/advertising. How is that fanboyism?

 

[SolidSnakex]

halo is indeed bigger than GT. GTs time in the light is definately over. Wasnt GT3 released before the original halo? The constant delay of GT4 and the broadening of the racing genre since GT3 will definately have an effect on GT4s sales. did i mention no online play?

Show proof of GT's time passing.

 

[Do The Mario]

I was speaking purely from an advertising/hype angle, other posts reflect this. And it's true, Halo 2 can't be compared to any released GCN game in terms of hype/advertising. How is that fanboyism?

Because you ripped out OoT a 6 year old Nintendo game that sold well as a comparison to Halo 2.

You automatically defended Nintendo, but using you’re logic you couldn’t compare any PS2 game sales to Halo 2 because no title this gen reached that level of hype.

Using you’re argument you can’t compare any last gen titles to OoT because it was the most hyped.

 

[BeOnEdge]

Show proof of GT's time passing.

sony delaying GT4 time and again is enough. If GT4 is released with no online play it will then pretty much be fact that the only reason they delayed it is so they wouldnt have to contend with halo 2, need for speed 2 or a host of other better games being released this holiday. Sony now has to release the game during a drought so it has a chance of being noticed with its lack of online play and minor upgrades over its predecessor.

 

[Sean]

Those games aren't particularly "great" sellers though, sure they get decent sales. What I was refering to was mainly the biggest sellers on the PS2 which refers to the MGSs, the FFs, GTAs, etc.... I see your point though, they do have more games that have sold good, but nobody I think is going to Buy a new system for those games(besides GT that is).

They are still important games though, even if they do not sell multi-millions. Most people do not buy a console for just one game and those other million seller titles are reasons that people purchase consoles as well.

I think having a wide variety of good selling games is equally important rather then just a few big hits.

 

[lexi]

Because you ripped out OoT a 6 year old Nintendo game that sold well as a comparison to Halo 2.

You automatically defended Nintendo, but you’re logic you couldn’t compare any PS2 game sales to Halo 2 because no title this gen reached that level of hype.

Using you’re argument you can’t compare any last gen titles to OoT because it was the most hyped.

I didn't intend to mean sales, sorry if I led you to believe I did. I was talking purely from an advertising/hype point of view. I don't even know how well OoT did sales-wise.

Again, going by advertising/hype, Halo 2 does not compare to any released GCN game, a fairer comparison would be OOT. Fairer comparison meaning that both games were roughly equal in the amount of advertising/hype they both received. Not fairer comparison as in <nbot>yuo cant compare gheylo to gamecoob gamez!</nbot>

 

[GhaleonEB]

halo is indeed bigger than GT. GTs time in the light is definately over. Wasnt GT3 released before the original halo? The constant delay of GT4 and the broadening of the racing genre since GT3 will definately have an effect on GT4s sales. did i mention no online play?

I would not go that far - a demo of GT4 sold 700k in Japan. For the demo.

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

Well fuck lets compare it Super Mario Bros 3 or Duck Hunt?

It’s more realistic to compare it to the titles it’s released with rather then a 6 year old title, The industry was different back in 1998 then it is now.

First, you ask to compare Halo/Halo 2 to a game released 15-20 years ago, then say that the industry is different now than it was about 6 years ago.

The industry changed little from last generation. I'd say it changed in the way that Playstation-generation gamers had more options, more viable options and such, but it isn't DRASTICALLY different. I'd say it's much different for Nintendo, but not exactly a complete revolution.

And especially in the case of marketing. Halo/Halo 2's popularity and marketing could be related to almost ANY product. It's the situation that surrounds the versus product and the base product (In this case, Halo/Halo 2) That judges how viable the comparison is.

 

[SolidSnakex]

sony delaying GT4 time and again is enough. If GT4 is released with no online play it will then pretty much be fact that the only reason they delayed it is so they wouldnt have to contend with halo 2, need for speed 2 or a host of other better games being released this holiday. Sony now has to release the game during a drought so it has a chance of being noticed with its lack of online play and minor upgrades over its predecessor.

So in other words you have no actual proof that its lost its popularity? You're just showing by your laughable "minor upgrades" comment that you're hoping its lost its popularity. Because you're one of those gamers who believes that GT "killed" arcade racers.

 

[Do The Mario]

I didn't intend to mean sales, sorry if I led you to believe I did. I was talking purely from an advertising/hype point of view. I don't even know how well OoT did sales-wise.

Again, going by advertising/hype, Halo 2 does not compare to any released GCN game, a fairer comparison would be OOT. Fairer comparison meaning that both games were roughly equal in the amount of advertising/hype they both received. Not fairer comparison as in <nbot>yuo cant compare gheylo to gamecoob gamez!</nbot>

Well it is a thread about sales, so one would naturally assume that’s what you were discussing.

Hype = Sales

 

[Mega Man's Electric Sheep]

That doesn't make any sense, because they have to spend money+time to develop those said games.

It does make sense, because aside from Fable and the Halos, Microsoft's first party titles have hardly had stellar sales. They have to spend time and money to develop their games too you know. Even Kung Fu Chaos and Blinx.

 

[Do The Mario]

First, you ask to compare Halo/Halo 2 to a game released 15-20 years ago, then say that the industry is different now than it was about 6 years ago.

The industry changed little from last generation. I'd say it changed in the way that Playstation-generation gamers had more options, more viable options and such, but it isn't DRASTICALLY different. I'd say it's much different for Nintendo, but not exactly a complete revolution.

And especially in the case of marketing. Halo/Halo 2's popularity and marketing could be related to almost ANY product. It's the situation that surrounds the versus product and the base product (In this case, Halo/Halo 2) That judges how viable the comparison is.

I hope you realize that post was full of sarcasm.

 

[GhaleonEB]

It does make sense, because aside from Fable and the Halos, Microsoft's first party titles have hardly had stellar sales. They have to spend time and money to develop their games too you know. Even Kung Fu Chaos and Blinx.

Blinx and Fable are not first party. Artoon and Liongate's Big Blue box made them, respectively. MS just published.

Making you point even more valid.

 

[MrparisSM]

They are still important games though, even if they do not sell multi-millions. Most people do not buy a console for just one game and those other million seller titles are reasons that people purchase consoles as well.

I think having a wide variety of good selling games is equally important rather then just a few big hits.

True having a wide variety of good selling games + having the few big hits are equally important. But it's the "few big hits" that sell consoles. The wide variety of good selling games will definitely come if you have the userbase.

 

[Mega Man's Electric Sheep]

Microsoft's published titles......

XBX MECH ASSAULT 655,430
XBX NFL FEVER 2002 589,086
XBX AMPED: SNOWBOARDING 540,262
XBX FUZION FRENZY 530,541
XBX BRUTE FORCE 465,281
XBX PROJECT GOTHAM 2 431,742
XBX ODDWORLD: MUNCH 409,770
XBX COUNTER STRIKE 389,291
XBX CRIMSON SKIES: HIGH 366,272
XBX NFL FEVER 2003 346,494
XBX BLOOD WAKE 332,796
XBX RALLISPORT CHALLENGE 289,709
XBX BLINX: TIME SWEEPER 286,786
XBX TOP SPIN 255,500
XBX NBA INSIDE DRIVE 2002 220,437
XBX NBA INSIDE DRIVE 2003 182,511
XBX NFL FEVER 2004 174,953
XBX SHENMUE 2 168,926
XBX MIDTOWN MADNESS 3 165,957
XBX TAO FENG: FIST LOTUS 155,098
XBX MUSIC MIXER 152,226
XBX LINKS 2004 149,525
XBX EXHIBITION DEMO DISK 145,799
XBX AZURIK: RISE PERATHIA 138,307
XBX AMPED 2 126,408
XBX KUNG FU CHAOS 121,915
XBX RALLISPORT CHALLENGE2 94,054
XBX NBA INSIDE DRIVE 2004 93,305
XBX EXHIBITION DEMO VOL 2 92,586
XBX GRABBED BY GHOULIES 73,829
XBX NIGHTCASTER 73,769
XBX PHANTASY STAR I & II 68,994
XBX SUDEKI 66,315
XBX QUANTUM REDSHIFT 64,593
XBX MLB INSIDE PITCH 2003 64,561
XBX SNEAKERS 55,140
XBX KINGDOM FIRE:CRUSADER 52,442
XBX NHL RIVALS 2004 52,420
XBX WHACKED 51,628
XBX EXHIBITION DEMO VOL 3 51,549
XBX VOODOO VINCE 50,521
XBX EXHIBITION DEMO VOL 4 36,064
XBX KAKUTO CHOJIN 27,723


I forgot Project Gotham racing before, which has sold over a million, but the point still stands that Microsoft has little in the way of first party hits. PGR 2 sold much worse, so that series isn't a biggie for them anyway.

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

I hope you realize that post was full of sarcasm.

Include a or the :lol, or emoticons next time at the end of the comment to denote sarcasm, Or I will kill you.

^Notice how I did not employ an emoticon. Because I'm not joking.