Now that Microsoft has the biggest selling 1st Gen franchise...
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The Abominable Snowman
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Microsoft's other titles, barring Fable and PGR2, may be due to the smaller userbase. The Xbox has 1/3rd or 1/5th the userbase the PS2 has, and microsoft's titles have a higher penetration. I don't think that's bad. 100K+ sales are great. They're the usual break-even point, right? Of the less-than 100K selling titles, KUF is probably the only one that deserved much better.Mega Man's Electric Sheep said:
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The majority of Sony published titles aren't developed by Sony, but you'd still credit Ratchet & Clank and Jak & Daxter to them. what's the diff?MrparisSM said:
SolidSnakex
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The Abominable Snowman said:
Why wouldn't you give them credit for Jak when they own Naughty Dog?
I'm bored and I feel like futilely trying to end a discussion (like that would happen on GAF)...
Pretty much all points have been said, but here's the rundown.
Yes, Halo is a monster for Microsoft.
Yes, Nintendo's franchises haven't enjoyed the monster sales they had last gen.
No, Sony shouldn't be too worried, because they have aside from FF/GTA/etc a solid line-up of titles that consistently sell well (see Jak/R&C/HSG/etc) and even sometimes phenomenally (see SOCOM and Gran Turismo).
No, Microsoft shoudn't be entirely happy, because aside from Halo they haven't had anything else make it big for them, no matter how hard they try. There's been a splash here and there, but unfortunately there's been a lot of duds (commercially speaking, not critically or even IMO in that matter) in comparison.
No, Nintendo isn't d00med, because even though they may only be selling 1-2 million of some games they may wish they had sold more of (as per last gen), in terms of first-party viability in sales, they're in the same boat as Sony. Solid line-up of titles that consistently sell well, and even sometimes phenomenally. In fact, I'd still give Nintendo the slight edge since I'd say that they have a few more "phenomenals" than Sony, but that's certainly up for debate, and my sole opinion.
In conclusion, Halo is big shit for Microsoft, especially since the rest of their proverbial discharge is a bit of a diarrhetic mess, and yeah I'm sure it's turned heads at Sony and Nintendo, but they sure ain't quaking in their boots over it.
Edit: I just remembered Fable. I'm sure they're mighty pleased about that. Although, BBB isn't really first-party is it? Second party, or just close third party, or do I have it all wrong?
Pretty much all points have been said, but here's the rundown.
Yes, Halo is a monster for Microsoft.
Yes, Nintendo's franchises haven't enjoyed the monster sales they had last gen.
No, Sony shouldn't be too worried, because they have aside from FF/GTA/etc a solid line-up of titles that consistently sell well (see Jak/R&C/HSG/etc) and even sometimes phenomenally (see SOCOM and Gran Turismo).
No, Microsoft shoudn't be entirely happy, because aside from Halo they haven't had anything else make it big for them, no matter how hard they try. There's been a splash here and there, but unfortunately there's been a lot of duds (commercially speaking, not critically or even IMO in that matter) in comparison.
No, Nintendo isn't d00med, because even though they may only be selling 1-2 million of some games they may wish they had sold more of (as per last gen), in terms of first-party viability in sales, they're in the same boat as Sony. Solid line-up of titles that consistently sell well, and even sometimes phenomenally. In fact, I'd still give Nintendo the slight edge since I'd say that they have a few more "phenomenals" than Sony, but that's certainly up for debate, and my sole opinion.
In conclusion, Halo is big shit for Microsoft, especially since the rest of their proverbial discharge is a bit of a diarrhetic mess, and yeah I'm sure it's turned heads at Sony and Nintendo, but they sure ain't quaking in their boots over it.
Edit: I just remembered Fable. I'm sure they're mighty pleased about that. Although, BBB isn't really first-party is it? Second party, or just close third party, or do I have it all wrong?
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Oh. didn't know that, or perhaps I don't really follow Naughty Dog.SolidSnakex said:
MrParis: you'd stands for "You would", not "You did"
TheUnknownForce
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I agree that Halo is MS's best farnchise for the company. Without it, Xbox probably would have stayed at a slow momentum. Is it the best-selling 1st party game, no, just the most hyped. A good number say GT, which is very good of an example. Nintendo's BIG 1st party game is most probably Pokemon (despite it now being a company in it's whole).
I also agree in saying that MS's releases, barring Halo and a handful of others, are not that grand, while a good percentage of both Sony's and Nintendo's games sell rather well all around.
I also agree in saying that MS's releases, barring Halo and a handful of others, are not that grand, while a good percentage of both Sony's and Nintendo's games sell rather well all around.
Lol, did everyone forget MrpraisM's first question?
I believe it will have great effect on Xenon when combined with sustained momentum from MS. Sony needs to watch out because I think this time around MS will most definately be a threat. This will be especially true if the PS3's design ends up being more frustrating than powerful.
As for comparison issue, I'm actually on lockii on this one. Nintendo did not put in the same kind of work this generation with key titles like they did last generation. If they weren't trying to build their own Halo in the sense of advertising and hype, then how can you compare?
I believe it will have great effect on Xenon when combined with sustained momentum from MS. Sony needs to watch out because I think this time around MS will most definately be a threat. This will be especially true if the PS3's design ends up being more frustrating than powerful.
As for comparison issue, I'm actually on lockii on this one. Nintendo did not put in the same kind of work this generation with key titles like they did last generation. If they weren't trying to build their own Halo in the sense of advertising and hype, then how can you compare?
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ge-man said:
To talk about his original question. MS' momentum isn't in the same league as Sony's. I don't know if people are simply forgetting or just don't know, but the gap between 1st and 2nd this gen is wider than it was last gen. Sony's completely beat the competition down. The best selling 1st party title this gen is made by them (GT3), not MS.
SolidSnakex said:
That's true, but my main point is that Sony should not get into the habit of writing off the competition. I'm sure almost everyone thought Nintendo would be indestructible 2 generations ago. A little momentum could turn into big things depending on what happens.
edit: I should also add that MS still does have work to do. They have a really problem with their own published titles. Halo has truly become the exeception to the rule of mediocre playing or mediocre selling 1st party titles.
CrimsonSkies
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"So only the US counts?"
Yes.
Yes.
gamergirly
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ge-man said:
Halo 3 will have a big impatct on Xenon sales, when it's released. Unless Bungie has the production team cooking on a life and death development(which is doubtful bc of that report that they were working on something else) or they are just going to rush it, you wont see Halo 3 for years, long after all 3 next-gen consoles have launched. By that time, all of the next-gen systems will be cooking out big titles after the 1st game release phrase is over. Who knows what Halo 3 will be competing against by that time. Another unknown franchise just like it could end up dominating.
As for comparison issues, there's not really anything to compare when it comes to Nintendo this generation or not. Either they're going to make the changes they should have learned about this time around or they are going to end up going out of the hardware business.
As for the Sony needs to watch out? What exactly do they need to watch out for if both Revolution and PS3 comes out after Xenon? Quite possibly, Nintendo could end up the bigger threat, not a company whose product is already out there for the rats to watch :lol
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bitwise said:
I'm glad you agree :lol
So not only do they only have a handful of high sales titles, they don't own a good chunk of the ones that do. Nice way to prove his point.
MS owns the rights to Halo. KOTOR, Fable, and I believe Project Gotham Racing, the next three best selling titles/franchises on XBox are all owned by their developers, just published by MS (not even sure if KOTOR is, LucasArts probably publishes it, but I don't feel like double checking).
One title that can be expected to break a million with little trouble. Who cares if it can break 5-6M? The fact that it alone would be forced to carry the system is the problem that has kept Xbox down this entire generation until the last year and a half or so when former PC developers and lesser known 3rd parties have come up big for the system.
Xenon/Xbox 2 depends on MS moving from just getting those lesser 3rd parties and PC developers to getting the historically dominant console developers to give them major titles. Then it can challenge Sony, because you don't sell 100M consoles, or even 40M consoles for that matter, if you don't have a deep library of titles creating mass appeal.
Regardless of that, Sony does have significantly better 1st party development than MS going into next generation. Gran Turismo worldwide is still at least an equal draw as Halo, and worldwide is what really matters since worldwide userbase is the key to most 3rd party development decisions. Halo gets pasted by GT in Europe and Japan, 2 out of 3 territories of significance.
After each company's big gun MS is left with pretty much nothing they can directly control. Sony on the other hand still owns two million selling platforming/action titles (J&D and R&C are both Sony properties, despite R&C's developers being 2nd party, which might well change by next generation), a million seller online shooter (Socom), and several other very successful franchises like Twisted Metal and Hot Shots Golf.
Sony has turned into a very good game developer comprable to some of the major 3rd parties in terms of qaulity and sales. Its a far cry from last generation and early this one where the PS1 and PS2 were bought for anything but first party content.
djtiesto said:
huh? The post I was responding to did not mention Final Fantasy:
I was merely pointing out that none ot THESE titles are system sellers besides maybe GT. Of course FF, MGS, GTA are system sellers! That was my whole point! And they are all 3rd party which means they could easily choose Xenon as their platform of choice!
sonycowboy
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CrimsonSkies said:
:lol
Then Sony wins:
30 million to 10.
gamergirly
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MrparisSM said:huh? The post I was responding to did not mention Final Fantasy:
I was merely pointing out that none ot THESE titles are system sellers besides maybe GT. Of course FF, MGS, GTA are system sellers! That was my whole point! And they are all 3rd party which means they could easily choose Xenon as their platform of choice!
Dude you are truly stupid :lol
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bitwise said:
Nice picture :lol
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