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NPD August 2012 Sales Results [Up3: Sleeping Dogs]
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Oh yes, another interesting thing: Sleeping Dogs did about 125k in its first three weeks in UK alone. Yes, that UK which has a collapsing retail market. It seems the game is doing much better in Europe than in US.
to be fair, it's been a long time since things have been this low. the next generation probably should have started in 2011. the 360 and ps3 should do okay with some price drops in the months leading into their successors' launches, but it won't be like sony jumping in with the ps3 while the ps2 was selling enormously well.
Less than 40k.
Metal Gear?!
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MrCookiepants
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NSMB is very disappointing, considering the Wii version launched to 1 million+ Even 3D Land did much better.
Those were both November releases but still.
Those were both November releases but still.
Zekra Dezivad
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Were Birth By Sleep Limited Edition counted in NPD as well?
nsmb ds actually launched to similar numbers back in 2006. i think 3d land being on the system, plus the august launch, kinda hurt it though. i think it'll be a big seller through the holidays.
man, i wish 3d land could have been saved for later when someone could have done some level design and stuff
Oh, and DS? Did it almost match 3DS once again ?
Vita at less than 10K per week is in Japan territory (sans Miku).
ds did less than 100k. without the 3ds xl, it would have pretty much matched it.
Yes, it did similar to NSMB despite being available for just one week and not two weeks like the original.
Tell that to 3/18 or whatever was called.
It is collapsing. 125k in UK ~ Miserable US NPD spot. It's probable SD did 125k in this August NPD which is the same as the 3 weeks in UK. Only in the UK it gets lauded as '5th best opening this year' or whatever and in NPD it sits as #6 in the month.
test_account
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I wonder if Sleeping Dogs would pick up, or stay stable next month. The drop in the UK has been pretty low for it.
Did the Xbox 360 sell more than the 3DS? If i'm reading it right? That would make the 3DS the 2nd best selling system last month, being in 2nd place. I read some comment about 2nd place yesterday, i wonder what the guy thinks about 3DS being in 2nd place (sorry, i just had to ask
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Did the Xbox 360 sell more than the 3DS? If i'm reading it right? That would make the 3DS the 2nd best selling system last month, being in 2nd place. I read some comment about 2nd place yesterday, i wonder what the guy thinks about 3DS being in 2nd place (sorry, i just had to ask
).electroplankton
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It'd be nice to compare Japan and US at this spot.
Hardware is still way higher in US, but software?
Hardware is still way higher in US, but software?
Handhelds sell more hardware in Japan (shocker) than in the US.
MrCookiepants
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So it's the worst launch for a Mario platformer in 7 years (maybe significantly longer), by far? That spin doesn't make the sales look any better.
this isn't like sleeping dogs where it will die next month. mario games have legs. hell, platformers in general seem to have legs on nintendo platforms. sonic generations did something like 20k in its opening month, and its ltd is above 250k now.
Historically it's proven the opposite (shocker).
However it could be made the case that Japan is a more receptive (faster to adopt) market than US.
A huge hit in the UK? According to who? What was the sales diffference that you would make that claim?
shinra-bansho
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Relative to market size?
Also re: NSMB legs; I'm sure it will keep on trucking but I thought it wasn't showing the usual Mario game legs in Japan.
How far is vita off the radar? I speak to people who owned PSPs but they have no idea about the vita at all. I know many would of moved on from handheld gaming to smartphones/tablets but I can still talk to them about the 3DS and they always ask me what certain games are like on the 3DS or what the XL is like but nobody ever mentions the vita.
I really struggle to see how the fortunes of the vita will turn around. In every region its in trouble and those predictions by many which thought at $250.00 the vita would cause major problems for Nintendo look like crazy man talk right now.
I guess people were right when they said the 3DS at $250 was too expensive for consumers and a handheld (regardless of the greater specs) at the same price would also be too expensive.
Sony misread the market badly and must of thought that the 3DS price problems didnt effect a potential vita customer.
I really struggle to see how the fortunes of the vita will turn around. In every region its in trouble and those predictions by many which thought at $250.00 the vita would cause major problems for Nintendo look like crazy man talk right now.
I guess people were right when they said the 3DS at $250 was too expensive for consumers and a handheld (regardless of the greater specs) at the same price would also be too expensive.
Sony misread the market badly and must of thought that the 3DS price problems didnt effect a potential vita customer.
The same Sleeping Dogs that has far better legs (so far) than Mario in the UK? I wouldn't rule out SD being above Darksiders II next month in the US.
Well, the handheld market in Japan is stronger than their console market. The reverse applies to the US. Relative to the countries respective populations, it's crazy that handheld hardware in Japan outsell the handheld hardware in the US.
Panajev2001a
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Can't believe Sleeping Dogs is not higher, the game just looks amazing and plays better than any other sandbox game to date.
It's like a next-gen shenmue city:
Looks so good indeed.
Why would the next gen start in 2011 when the 360 had it's best year ever. It makes no sense. It's a slow summer month going into 7 years on the market and the 360 still manages to have 200K of people purchasing the console. People are still spending 2 million at retail collectively on one system in August and it's somehow pointing to doom for some?
No matter how much hype a game gets on the internet from a small few, the game will sells what it's supposed to do based on awareness and demand.
Again, consumers will come out as normal when the Fall and holiday season rolls around. November and December will again be the two months that everything peaks and we start the same cycle over in 2013.
yeah, that one. because this is the us and games have a huge first month and then fall off fast.
i guess it could have a decent september. it did get at least one big discount this month already.
generally speaking you don't want to have dead consoles as your flag bearers leading into the next generation. the playstation 2 did over 200,000 in sales in august 2007. that's with competition from the 360 and wii (275k and 400k respectively).
and of course things do well in the holiday, but it gets smaller and smaller as the generation winds down. it's not going to magically boost sales back up to 2009 levels, especially when this year's sales have been so down for everyone.
TheBioLover
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The Vita is the best handled ever, imo, I hope it picks up in the future, maybe LBP will help it next month.
Lagspike_exe
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I'm not sure about that. Sony needs something much bigger to push hardware adoption in order to create a critical mass that would be a proof of Vita's viability. GT could help in EU. Soul Sacrifice is aiming for Japan, although it's an IP that still has to prove its selling power. Call of Duty will fail due to being made by a mediocre dev during a short dev cycle. Assassin's Creed could at absolute best match PSP's GTA games. It's looking grim, even with 3DS price match, which won't happen this year it seems.
This is not last gen, this is not the PS2 era no matter how people try to compare it. Of course sales get smaller as the generation winds down, but I will repeat the 360 had it's best year ever in 2011. You say it can't magically boost sales back but the 360 had it's best holiday in history in 2011.
It doesnt matter that your selling 200k on hardware and spending 2 million at Retail in August, when on Black Friday week in November your selling over 900K 360s and 800k Kinects and people are spending 1.4 BILLION on your console in 7 days. This is the year you claim the next gen should have started.
It doesn't make sense to rush into next gen if you are in the 360s current position. Nintendo is a completely different story.
unless you have a mega hit console on your hands, things will take time to get going. prices are going to be prohibitive to new customers for probably around a year. this is the time to have a nice transition, so you don't have one dead console and one fledgling one at the same time.
and let's not pretend like the 360's success was some sort of fluke. microsoft poured a ton of money to make sure the kinect would be successful. 2010 was essentially a relaunch for the system, and sales reflected this in the next year. now things are declining, and will continue to do so with no new pull on the way.
shinra-bansho
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In terms of maintaining some sort of momentum heading into a new gen... I'd say the Wii U probably should have launched last year, with the PlayStation 4 and Xbox 3 this year.
test_account
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UK is a smaller market. I dont remember if it has sold over 200k there, but it is at least over 100k. The 2nd week drop was also only 15%, which is vert uncommon.
MrCookiepants
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I know. Just doesn't seem like it'll be the 30 million selling hardware pusher the previous games were.
eh, they would have needed better third party support for that to happen. i also don't really think they care too much about records and stuff. just profit.
also, they'd need to keep the wii on the market for another 6 years and hope to sell another 60m of them in that time if they had any hopes of coming close to that.
well the 3ds itself isn't the system the ds was by a long shot either. for one, it's way too expensive. two, it lacks an identity. kobun heat was dead-on when he predicted it would be nintendo's psp.
the xl-as-a-redesign plan is a flawed one too, since it just makes the thing more expensive and there's no real obvious improvements (ds lite had much better backlights and was more comfortable- gba sp had a rechargable battery, clam shell design, and lit screen). i know they wanna make their money back on the device, but they need to really consider what made the game boy line a success and try to get back to that.
You write that like it never happened before.
DS yearly HW LTD in Japan beat the one for US in 2004,2005,2006.
Also if we are going by "countries respective populations" I'm sure even many consoles japanese sales (if multiplied by 2.5) beat US sales.
From "crazy" case like the Saturn to the more popular PS2.
'PS2 in the US' which is at 46m, Wii is closing in on 40m but won't make it. If they had better strategy they might have just done it, as it is there will only be a couple mill in it.
Indeed Wii ( and DS) drove much of the growth in US VG market in the past years, however the Wii ( and to a lesser extent) step decline didn't began this year, even in 2011 it was quite rapidly declining.
It's clear so that Wii alone can't be the only cause of the step decline in revenue we are witnessing:
Micrsoft definately promoted Kinect and it paid off in spades. They made their money back within a few months. One year later they had their best year ever. This August they have a month like August where you hae something like 50-75K less people who bought your system. Which is still a drop in the buck when this is leading into a 3 month quarter that you will sell upwards of 6 million consoles.
This FAR from a 'dead console' , actually the opposite is true. Micrsoft is set up for another huge holiday and there is no indication that next year won't be a great year as well.
grimshawish
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Sorry no. Third party support was essential. Nintendo realised its first party studios were struggling to meet demand and the simple fact was Nintendo needed to move them onto other projects.
Hitting a 'mile stone' is pointless if it hurts the future business.
Opus Angelorum
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Microsoft will be lucky to sell 2 million consoles for this holiday quarter.
This also doesn't help the argument about releasing games in the summer months and away of the big hitters in the holiday. This August had quite a few of them and i don't think it can be said that any game swoop in and won the jackpot.
I find it hard to imagine Sleeping Dogs selling less if it was released later this year, while it may have enjoyed extra sales thanks to it being the shopping season.
I find it hard to imagine Sleeping Dogs selling less if it was released later this year, while it may have enjoyed extra sales thanks to it being the shopping season.
It didn't have to hurt, on the contry a few more first party titles could have made Ninty a lot of profit.
MS managed to get the 360 up yoy with just bundles, Ninty on the other hand cut the price in May and it did very little. If they had followed MS strategy they could have had significantly better bundles over the holiday ($99 wii's everywhere not just Walmart) when HW sells much better.
2m?! They did 4m last holiday and they're not down 50% yoy monthly, not to mention they've said they're going to have better bundles this year than last. Last July - Sep they were down yoy, clearly showing Kinect and the slim wearing off, but the bundles helped it to be up 300k~
Indeed Wii ( and DS) drove much of the growth in US VG market in the past years, however the Wii ( and to a lesser extent) step decline didn't began this year, even in 2011 it was quite rapidly declining.
It's clear so that Wii alone can't be the only cause of the step decline in revenue we are witnessing:
Who said it was the Wii alone? I was talking in regards to consoles. But if if your going to use total retail market then you got to add the decline of the handheld market as well. Not to mention if you have a HUGE franchise that's hot in a given year like the Guitar hero/ Rock Band or a Wii Fit franchise to include accessories that goes completly dead, then that add to the loss as well.
At the end of the day you have hotter years than others for many many factors, but when you have consoles that are closing in on 70K and the Wii which is closing in on 100K then you simply arent going to have the same sales. But, the Wii is still the biggest de
You still have an incomplete chart as the biggest selling month in retail is obvously the 4th quarter.
shinra-bansho
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Maybe he meant worldwide... No console is selling that much in the US q4...