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NPD January 2013 Sales Results [Up7: Wii U 57K (CNET), Vita ~35K, PS3 201K]
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ShockingAlberto
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Capcom is in a very weird position with DMC right now.
On the one hand, DmC was a critical darling, but that didn't help it penetrate the market. All the efforts they went through to westernize and make accessible didn't translate in to sales. On the other hand, when Blue Castle made what was essentially Just Another Dead Rising, the game sold great and Capcom acquired them. So their executives must be looking at the data with furrowed brows, because on its face, none of it makes sense. They are just as likely to retire the series as they are to bring it back home.
To complicate things further, to "bring back" Devil May Cry would require Itsuno. Him acting as producer alone, using DmC as evidence, just doesn't do it. He needs to be elbow deep in the project. But Dragon's Dogma sold really well in Japan and not great elsewhere, so they're going to keep Itsuno on that sequel and he can't afford the time to be making a Devil May Cry 5 right now.
If I had to guess, I am betting Capcom has Ninja Theory go ahead with DmC2 for next-gen and try to placate fans by using the old Dante and doing something crazy like, I don't know, Dante/Vergil co-op.
ShockingAlberto
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Steve Youngblood
Member
Wow Vita.
Wasn't this the handheld supposed to trump 3DS because of specs and design?
On top of that the unit is sold at a loss.
Sony hurting.
PS4 may as well determine the value of the PlayStation brand and perhaps Sony as a whole. With Sony still busy trying to manage its own assets and selling off and axing projects (no longer competing for high-end HDTVs)/aged products (e.g. MiniDisc)/ property (land sold in NY), who knows if Sony will still exist in a decade.
Wasn't this the handheld supposed to trump 3DS because of specs and design?
On top of that the unit is sold at a loss.
Sony hurting.
PS4 may as well determine the value of the PlayStation brand and perhaps Sony as a whole. With Sony still busy trying to manage its own assets and selling off and axing projects (no longer competing for high-end HDTVs)/aged products (e.g. MiniDisc)/ property (land sold in NY), who knows if Sony will still exist in a decade.
Duxxy3
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Neogaf should implement a like button just for this post.
KillerTravis
Banned
If the Vita can keep being alive with those kind of sales surely Wii U can as well right?
Palette Swap
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I see the economy mentioned everywhere but money wise, wasn't the NA video game market bigger in 2012 than 2005 or 2006?
This. Nobody is immune to criticism here.
ShockingAlberto
Member
What is your definition of "alive" here?
Nintendo will probably not be pulling Wii U's off shelves. Anything else might be fair game.
Katana_Strikes
Member
We had far more doom and gloom when the PS3 sold far more than this.
Can you explain the joke to me? I understand it's parodying something, but I don't recognize the source.
KillerTravis
Banned
Obviously if Nintendo keep the console on shelves and keep releasing games for it.
test_account
XP-39C²
Yep, but it had a lot to do with price parity as well. Once the Vita prices were announced, the Wifi model was priced at the same level as the 3DS was ($250). But before the Vita was announced, Nintendo dropped the 3DS price a lot, so we never got to see that senario (3DS and Vita both costing $249 and being on the market at the same time) play out, unfortunately, it would be interesting to see i think.
I thought Vita was at the right price point, but it only exists because Sony is taking losses and is hoping customers will buy games.
If the PS4 goes for the same strategy, this may be the end of Sony.
RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
Depends, the total number doesn't really give a good indication of the health of the console. Especially with products that has early adopters and fans. That can skew the numbers in the early going. imo the trend is far more important at the start of the lifecycle.
For example, if two consoles would launch and have the following sales in itheir first 3 months.
Console A: 600k- 400k- 200k
Console B: 400k- 400k- 400k
They both sold the same number, but one of them should clearly worry about the future.
nhlducks35
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Vita still needed the $20 memory card
Beer Monkey
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Narpas Sword0
Member
Right, like the iPad in 2010
and everyone is waiting for software. i'm not going to get a wii u so i can play nsmbu and nothing else.
TAS
Member
Anyways, the Wii U numbers for the month are terrible no if and buts about it. But the point is, it's still too early to be declaring its demise. Hell..three months in the GameCube was ahead of the PS2 for pete's sake. Things change and I have no doubt that this debacle has ignited a fire under Nintendo's ass.
but DMC still mean something and can sell if they gave the fans what they want(instead of Ninja Theory reboot no one wanted)DMC is not Megaman.
Pfft, you can play NSMBU and NSLBU! New Mario blah shit all over the place, out the pores!
ShockingAlberto
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This will probably happen in all but the most catastrophic (under four million globally through 2014) scenarios.
Other people developing games for it? That seemingly won't happen in all but the most miraculous for Nintendo scenarios, which also involves catastrophic scenarios for Microsoft and Sony.
Father_Brain
Banned
Yeah, it's quite possible that PS4 and/or Durango will underperform to some extent, but every major third party will be fully behind those platforms, and there's little reason to doubt that Sony/MS have done a much better job of preparing first-party development for the generational transition than Nintendo did.
test_account
XP-39C²
I dont think that it is confirmed that Sony takes a loss on the Vita. If they are, i would guess that it quite small, and they are probably making it in with the memorycard prices.
I forgot to answer to this earlier.
Didnt Kaz Hirai say kinda the opposite regarding HDTVs? I mean i've read that he said that Sony wont be competing for the cheaper priced models. MiniDisc was just recently taken out of production, probably because the market for it is basically dead. Now Sony has no expences around the Minidisc production anymore. Selling the property made them a big profit, and they will still have offices, but just rent instead i guess or buy somewhere else cheaper. I dont think these things will have any affect on Sony as a whole, especially not the MiniDisc (which is now out of production) and selling their New York headquarter for profit.
Sure (unless you buy a used one cheaper), but even with that, the prices between the 3DS and the Vita would be a lot more comparable (only $20 apart) to what they are now.
Cross-gen games looking slightly better won't drive hardware sales of the new consoles. It's to publishers advantage to make the launch period games cross-gen, but it severely hurts the uptake of new hardware.
If you don't believe me when I say "slightly better", do this: show your non-gaming friends a Watch Dogs gif and tell them its GTA V for Xbox 360. They will believe you.
Think it has to do with Nintendo not knowing how to utilize shaders. Their Wind Waker HD project seems like a tech demo project that they want to practice using them.
2006/2007 was a tough transitional period for Japanese developers who were used to developing for the PS2.
Somehow I thought they were succumbing to the high-end market, but hm. I swear their recent public presentations showed that since Samsung/LG/Panasonic dominate the HDTV market (and Vizio for the middle/low-end market).
The Sony TV I bought back in 2007 still works, but I think I will need to look for one soon since this one is notorious for breaking down.
Great read as always, jvm.
With the software lineup for February (more like lack of) and it being a 4 week month, sales will probably be in the 40K range there. March actually has some releases so maybe it will increase a bit then.
Nintendo's holiday lineup needs to be amazing if they want this system to survive.
With the software lineup for February (more like lack of) and it being a 4 week month, sales will probably be in the 40K range there. March actually has some releases so maybe it will increase a bit then.
Nintendo's holiday lineup needs to be amazing if they want this system to survive.
ShockingAlberto
Member
Their spring and summer lineups need to be amazing if they want to survive. Their holiday lineup needs to be even better than that if they want to compete.
Schnozberry
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Or the 3DS and Vita. I was mistakenly under the impression we were discussing dedicated game machines.
DMC 5 in 2015 would be OK by me.
game & wario, wii fit u, and pikmin 3. three games that should have been launch titles and really look like it.
Schnozberry
Member
It's very possible that Durango and Orbis don't sell a million units in 3 months. Neither the 360 or PS3 did.
Right, and the PS3 got a lot of "doom and gloom" remarks.
The 360 was pretty supply constrained, so that's not really comparable.
Katana_Strikes
Member
I must be the only one who thinks the WiiU will be a huge success. I believe a platforms success is determined by having a wide variaty of software offerings. Wii U is by design, very flexible and can offer lots of different types of games. When the content is there, in a about a year from now, sales will most surely pick up. Nintendo does have to make sure that atleast some third party ports are on the platform, or else it will be more difficult to build the momentum. But I still believe
How is it more flexible than any other system? Also, how will it be flexible once the new systems come out and it's woefully underpowered by comparison?
I don't think you should blame the shareholders. I think you should blame the guy who said they were going to make a billion dollars this year. I don't know what the fuck he was thinking. There's just no upside to making a forecast like that. He handcuffed himself.
Narpas Sword0
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If the recession was as bad as you are saying it is then the iPad would have flopped when the recession was far deeper. Discretionary luxury dollars are out there, the product just has to BE WORTH IT TO CONSUMERS.
Why do you think 360 and PS3 are still selling despite being old news? They are similarly priced to the Wii U. The consumer dollars are there to be had for products that are desirable.
The "fans" you are talking about only contribute a small portion of ther overall audience of DMC. DmC doing poorly is due to anything but those fans. The way I see it, a DMC5 could easily sell less than DmC.
Saint Gregory
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ShockingAlberto
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In this, as in all things, context is king.
A DMC5 released for current gen consoles could and probably would sell less. Assuming there is no console apocalypse in the next few years (and I am not sure this is to be assumed completely), DMC5 would probably match DMC4 sales there.
The Horror the horror
Banned
Nintendo needs to drop the price.
Why is this not painfully obvious? Take a hit by incurring losses on the hardware front, but make up for it in the software they move from the increase in userbase resulting from the price drop. Nintendo cannot try to make a profit in both hardware and software right now.
Why is this not painfully obvious? Take a hit by incurring losses on the hardware front, but make up for it in the software they move from the increase in userbase resulting from the price drop. Nintendo cannot try to make a profit in both hardware and software right now.
I'm kind of glad this is happening to Nintendo. This will hopefully mean that Nintendo will be forced to innovate instead of tossing out the same old games over and over again. They need something along the lines of Mario Galaxy which brought something entirely new. None of this New Super Mario stuff which is anything but new.
55k tells me even the Nintendo fanboy is not that excited about the Nintendo rehashes anymore.
55k tells me even the Nintendo fanboy is not that excited about the Nintendo rehashes anymore.