Won what?
It has zero momentum and it's selling at a slower rate than a console that came before it. It blew up, the fad is over.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
NPD November 2011 Sales Results [Update 7: Skyrim, CoD Wii, PC Retail Sales Up 57%]
- Thread starter Road
- Start date
Won what?
It has zero momentum and it's selling at a slower rate than a console that came before it. It blew up, the fad is over.
Rush2thestart
Member
Its not a shoddy port.
Randolph Freelander
Member
Clearly an apples to apples comparison, most certainly.
Rocket Punch
Member
PS3 - 900K -- To infinity and beyond.
WII - 860k -- The fad is over.
WII - 860k -- The fad is over.
gaming_noob
Member
Rocket Punch missing the point again.
TheFightingFish
Member
Take the number that you would love to believe that it sold. Now remove the "K" from the end and you are probably in the right vicinity...yeah, it's a shame.
It puts a huge smile on my face to know that a game like Skyrim can have this sort of market appeal. I look forward to seeing the hardcore Action RPG market experence a revival. I was very unhappy with the direction Bioware was taking that market. It's good to see Bethesda holding it down <3
Skyrim is my game of this generation and I'm happy to see Beth rewarded for it.
Skyrim is my game of this generation and I'm happy to see Beth rewarded for it.
No, the fiscal year started on April 1st.
Randolph Freelander
Member
But at what cost. At what... cost.
We'll see what kind of victory it was. It certainly lit the world on fire, but it's also the first console to run out of steam, and it remains to be seen if Nintendo can carry those Wii consumers into the next generation or if they're content to migrate to Microsoft and Sony.
Considering that from 2006 the sales of the Wii were astronomically high and they finally came down in 2011 to reasonable levels I don't see how you can say that. Microsoft has done a great job of relaunching the Xbox 360 by employing a Wii strategy.
The Wii has had a very interesting life-cycle.
- In 2005, if you told people here that the Wii would become the fastest selling console of all time worldwide, you would have been laughed at.
- In 2008, if you told people here that the Wii would fail to beat the PS2's LTD despite a gigantic lead, you would have been laughed at.
One of these numbers is the best November ever for the platform, and one of them is the worst for the platform (sans Launch which is a truncated month).
I'm amused by the elephant in the room.
9 million sales and on the whole everyone is "meh, pretty much what we expected".
I think its safe to say gaming digiroties of the world are aware of MW3 success in spite of their desires and perspective. I think people want to sell-down the success and move on.
Puppet Shadow
Member
Think it's frustrating to read this now? Wait till next month when the Wii outsells the PS3, and yet it will still be the same Nintendo is doomed... look at dat Sony momentum!.
Not every console has equal expectations. If Blops 2 sold 5M copies next year, it would be fair to say that it was a disastrous outcome, even if it was technically the 4th best first month sales number in gaming history.
Yep, said March (mixed months) but the rest still stands. On every report, they talk about 16 million "in this fiscal year" and that includes the 6.68 million as of September 30, 2011.
16 million
-6.6 million
= 9.4 million
Which is why I was wondering were the 12.9 million came from. Since they haven't talked about selling 16 million on top of the 6.6 million they already did. They've talked about selling 16 million by the end of this fiscal year.
So, in that case it would be like:
16 million
-6.6 million
= 9.4 million
- 2 million (US/Japan October/November/early Decmeber)
= 7.4 million
- Whatever they've sold in Europe, Australia, etc.
= What they need to sell by the end of the fiscal year
So, I was wondering if there was an update in that aspect, as to why not include the 6.6 million in the 16 million estimate (?).
?Found answer, post 981.
Megadragon15
Member
Tortoise vs. Hare.
MesserWolf
Member
Won the generation, the profit wars, we can continue this all night
Well you got to imagine that MS will not kill off something this successful as hard. You are talking about a company that has a legacy of supporting things that make them money and grow their user-base far longer than most businesses would consider reasonable. It's arguable that the original Xbox wasn't able to do so and was sacrificed gangland style because of it.
bigtroyjon
Member
Launch sales don't count for the current fiscal year which started on April first. They shipped 3.07 million in the first two quarters of the current fiscal year.
Rocket Punch
Member
But at what... cost
mentalfloss
Banned
These numbers confirm (once again) that it makes absolutely 0% sense for Microsoft or Sony to release another console before 2014.
Tell that to Nintendo's recent stock performance. I'm wondering if the success of the Wii and their ability to not react correctly to it didn't end up hurting them more in the long run.
I do acknowledge that part of Nintendo's financial woes of late is also tied to the strong Yen but the dramatic drop off in sales and the waining performance of their new platform and software is preventing them from breaking out of the downward spiral the Wii put them into.
Not sure, but regardless of what position Nintendo is in, they always make a profit.
Oh!! that's what I was wondering.
I had in my mind that the release of the 3DS was April 2011; so was wondering "why not include those?".
XD
(Editing prior posts, to avoid late quotes
)If they want to give an automatic win to Nintendo next gen, then they'll follow your advice.
... most consoles sold and most profit generated?
charlequin
Banned
In 2007, maybe. In 2008 Nintendo was already blowing their lead with a bad software strategy and some of us were already pointing out the likely consequences of that.
Syphon Filter
Member
Stop beating around the bush,say what you want to say.
Really it won the generation? Doesn't look like it. Sold the most, made the most money? Cool for Nintendo. Does it look like Wii is a gateway drug to 360 and PS3 and not exactly Wii U? Looks like it to me. I don't see much confidence in the Nintendo corner going in next generation.
SimpleDesign
Member
Blame Intel and Nvidia.
Syphon Filter
Member
Sales equals the winner. Also most wii owners wont transfer to ps3 or 360 since they are old,. When they see the next set of systems they will look at that.
bigtroyjon
Member
Always make a profit except for the year they don't make a profit which just so happens to be the current one.
Randolph Freelander
Member
Overall profit, of course.
Anasui Kishibe
Banned
Well winning a generation means selling the most consoles+software. Not sure how you're trying to twist it as if we were still in 2006, with the "fad" word and such
mentalfloss
Banned
They gave Nintendo the win this generation and it didn't matter.
They can't release a console before 2014 unless they want to cut into sales.
timetokill
Banned
Yes, it's in decline.
- after a longer life cycle than any of their consoles since the NES
- after making more profit than Microsoft or Sony will make this generation combined.
Calling it a "fad" is a joke. Nintendo's plan was for a 5 year lifecycle for the platform. It's been 5 years exactly now, and it still sold 850k. It's successor is coming out in less than a year.
If there were ever to be a "winner" this generation it would clearly be Nintendo.
January 2008 then
Still crazy how things ended up. Granted, I never actively searched around my city for one, but it was a year before I first saw a Wii on store shelves. I bought mine partly due to the novelty of actually seeing it in stock (also because I wanted Fire Emblem and Mario Galaxy which came out the next month). Now the console battles PS3 for a distant second every month.
UC2 also was out of the top 20 the following month. Which means that it did way less than 300k, since #10 did around 300k.
In that aspect:
Uncharted 3 - 26 days (1 NPD) > Uncharted 2 - 40 (or so) days (2 NPDs).
Not saying that "OMG big improvement", but still nice.
Uncharted 2 didn't release right after bf3 and right before mw3, skyrim, assassin's creed, saints row, zelda etc.
09 was a pretty weak year.
How do you win a generation, by selling less consoles and bleeding money? It totally reversed Nintendo's decline in the console industry. Looked like they were heading for major decline and instead they rose like a phoenix. Sure they ended the generation in poor form because of their consistent inability to provide proper support to their consoles but they still made a killing no matter what. They have a huge giant warchest as a result and they can keep going even if Wii U fails, even if Wii 3, 4, and 5 fail.
UC3 is going to end up roughly where UC2 ended up, and there's nothing wrong with that.
Posted earlier, but worth repeating:
Haven't we seen enough NPDs to know that twice as long on the market doesn't mean anywhere near twice the sales? Games that get 3 days of sales in an NPD period for their first month MAY get close to their first month sales again in the entirety of their second month. The only exception (for non-casual HD sequels) is if the second month happens to be a December.
Arkham City only had 10-11 days in last month's NPD when it sold ~1.5M. This month, even though it had 28 days plus Black Friday, it didn't even do half of that number.