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NPD November 2012 Results [Up6: Black Ops 2, Halo 4, Most Wanted, Assassin's Creed 3]
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It's that momentum.
Aquamarine
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It was just a proof of concept post, and it's obviously inaccurate. But we can infer from some of the lowest-populated communities that those games, in general, aren't selling that well.
Hiro_Kunimi_80
Member
LTD should be like
Wii: 40.24M
360: 36.6 M
PS3: 22.7 M ? ( not sure since we don't have ps3 sales)
i got it right ?
if that so , Wii-X360 should be less than 2.9 Million at the end of the year (imho)
Wii: 40.24M
360: 36.6 M
PS3: 22.7 M ? ( not sure since we don't have ps3 sales)
i got it right ?
if that so , Wii-X360 should be less than 2.9 Million at the end of the year (imho)
Of course, like I said, the Miiverse numbers are meaningless. However, the sales chart creamsugar posted has AC3 on the lower half and considering that according to Pachter most Wii U games failed to sell meaningfull numbers...
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
My guess is under 40000 for LBPK.
He always listed them by SKU sales, so if it's like that this time too and going by comments by that EA guy about CoD sales, I think CoD is down a LOT, like below 6m, that would make some headlines so I'm not really sure if that's the case.... maybe they are trying to avoid bad PR for CoD by not revealing the numbers </theory>
That's about right yeah.
So Halo 4 being a wash with Reach sales (apparently) could be either good or bad, not enough context. Would love to get BO2 360 #'s to compare that to BO1 360 #'s so we could do the direct comparison. If BO2 is also down or flat that's disappointing but can be chalked up to the industry being down in general. If BO2 is up that would at least possibly indicate Halo shouldn't have directly competed with CoD. And even if that's not the case, Halo 4 still frankly would have done better in September regardless.
frankie_baby
Member
Seriously the Wii u user base is tiny even if it didn't hit 50k it surely will do in the coming weeks and seeing how little a port costs to make (less than $1m according to ubi) break even is only like less than 40k worldwide and anything more than that is free money
shinra-bansho
Member
Weekly average for Oct was about 40k iirc, three weeks ~40k + 525k = 650ish k
speculawyer
Member
Number of original IPs: 0
Number of first sequel: 1 (Skylanders Giants)
Number of second sequels: 0
Number of third sequels: 0
Number of fourth sequels: 1 (Just Dance 4 . . . maybe?)
Number of N sequels where N is at least 5 and I'm not gonna count: 8
:-/
Edit: We need a new console generation if for no other reason than to get some new fresh IP.
Damn . . . he's right. 9/10 games on the list are on at least their 5th iteration. Ugh . . . I understand publishers being reluctant to take risks with multi-million dollar budgets. But on the other hand, we can't just live on endless retreads.
Pretty crazy to think that the 360 might very well outsell the Wii in the US. Of course, it's not really important anymore at this point in time considering that Nintendo's already in a new generation, but still. 4 years ago no one would have believed such a thing to be possible.
GarthVaderUK
Banned
If BO2 on 360 is down and Halo 4 > BO2, maybe it should've got out of the way of Halo...
they probably nearly sold out of the wii u at launch. software sales could have been a lot better though. but yeah, they'd like the 3ds to be selling better. not that it should- i hope this is sending a signal to them regarding hardware and software prices.
CadetMahoney
Member
Hmmm not that great compared to xbox, do we have last years PS3 numbers?
We don't know the split for software, but either way it's sure to be 360 leading by a wide margin.
Remember, Christmas. Plenty of people like me are getting NSMBU/Wii U for Christmas.
I guess we get the games we deserve.
Father_Brain
Banned
Handheld numbers!
3DS is much, much better than I expected. Don't get me wrong, 32% YOY decline is still quite bad and cause for alarm, but I wasn't sure it'd even break 400K, based on the 250K Black Friday figure. Isn't it incredibly uncommon for a system to sell less than half of its November total on Black Friday?
Vita: Roughly where I expected after the Black Friday numbers were revealed, in the low 200K range. For comparison, PSP, a dead platform, sold 288K in November 2010, and GC, a similarly dead platform, sold over 270K in November 2005. Better than it could have been (150-160K for the entire month), still astonishingly awful for a first holiday.
Sony has already fired its biggest software guns for Vita, and released reasonably priced bundles for those titles, both to little effect. A price cut next year certainly won't save it, nor will any of the announced/known 2013 software. Forget about further Western third-party support - at this point, it'll be a feat if Sony can even keep it on store shelves long enough for a second holiday season.
3DS is much, much better than I expected. Don't get me wrong, 32% YOY decline is still quite bad and cause for alarm, but I wasn't sure it'd even break 400K, based on the 250K Black Friday figure. Isn't it incredibly uncommon for a system to sell less than half of its November total on Black Friday?
Vita: Roughly where I expected after the Black Friday numbers were revealed, in the low 200K range. For comparison, PSP, a dead platform, sold 288K in November 2010, and GC, a similarly dead platform, sold over 270K in November 2005. Better than it could have been (150-160K for the entire month), still astonishingly awful for a first holiday.
Sony has already fired its biggest software guns for Vita, and released reasonably priced bundles for those titles, both to little effect. A price cut next year certainly won't save it, nor will any of the announced/known 2013 software. Forget about further Western third-party support - at this point, it'll be a feat if Sony can even keep it on store shelves long enough for a second holiday season.
But why would people buy their games digitally from the eShop when all the purchases are tied to one console? It doesn't make a lot of sense, Nintendo needs to fix that.
TheGreyHulk
Member
You try releasing a game that aims for the same audience as CoD AND release 1 week before it...
M$ did VERY well with Halo 4 considering what they were up against.
If so then yea will definitely happen next year. Haven't kept up in sometime but Wii and 360 numbers likely close to right.
Two 40M consoles in the US happening in one gen is pretty amazing. Even for a very long drawn out one.
Do we actually know that Halo 4 > BO2 360, or are we just inferring that from Nelson's post? I'd honestly be shocked if that's true, but if it is you might not be that far off.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
Touche. As much as many here like to talk up Sony's first party games, the Playstation brand was built on the backs of third parties.
DBZ Budokai games used to be huge sellers in the US. I remember seeing leaks with hundreds of thousands to like a million.
AdventureRacing
Member
Surely those vita numbers must tell sony that a price drop is desperately needed. Outside of the black friday specials this thing must have moved pretty much nothing the rest of the month.
Possibly the biggest drop of all time. Since MW3 was > 5m on 360.
Starting to think that Nelson hasn't listed them in order.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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That'd be pretty unbelievable, since it'd mean BLOPS 2 sold at least 3 million less than MW3.
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Well, there were spinoffs like JD Kids, JD Disney, and JD Greatest Hits. So ... yay for N sequels!
creamsugar
Member
Yes, I was counted collector ed as 1/10 before, actually it's better than nsmbu.
Freezie KO
Banned
Prices, sure, but even at $40, a retail title is still $20 less than a console title. The bigger problem is games. I've bought 3 retail games for 3DS this year and a few smaller eShop games. Software sells hardware.
There aren't many studios like Ubisoft's AC team(s) who can afford to throw several hundred people working on a single project, though. Most studios don't have the ressources to develop another version if the sales are negligible compared to the other versions... Apart of some AAA projects, I doubt that many studios will even bother with Wii U ports.
I'd love to be wrong about this, though. But after a better start, I fear that Wii U's 3rd party support might end up worse than Wii's.
Pimpbaa
Member
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Because they're mistakenly comparing raw numbers instead of attach rate percentages. I made a post on it earlier.
The launch month numbers of all Mario games are meaningless because the amount of systems out at the time are all drastically different.
Plz creamsugar halo 4 > or < BO2 360?
And people make fun of publishers not launching new IPs!
that's actually terrifying...
Smiles and Cries
Member
They've known that this entire year, but a price drop must not be worth it at this point.
creamsugar
Member
bo2 360 is no.1 in all standalone sku sw.
Aquamarine
Member
TOP Combined retail, by sequel number:
1. Call of Duty 9
2. Halo 5 (Halo 6 if you include OST)
3. Assassin's Creed 5
4. Just Dance 5
5. Madden 27
6. Skylanders 2
7. Need for Speed 19
8. NBA 14
9. WWE 15
10. FIFA 20
* This list may have errors.
No WONDER the industry is stagnating.
CadetMahoney
Member
Indeed, quite surprising. Edit 360 bo2 is no1 in singles.
Perhaps, maybe Jan would see if wii family picks up.
i used to buy all of them. but was there any demand for an HD version
I didn't ask for it but I wanted it.
Bomba All Stars? Not surprised considering the half-assed effort put into the game. Twenty characters, part of which are shitty third party characters, shit presentation and design, lacking in Playstation fan service. To do something like this meant to go all out. A strong roster, amazing presentation, bombastic and memorable score, lots of hidden secrets and just basically filled with content. Backing all that, a strong marketing campaing.
But of course, nothing to be surprised about when they set themselves up to be utter failures. I mean, it looks so uninspired and lacking. Had they been smart, which obviously they're not looking at the sorry state of the game, they would have gone the route of Power Stone. And they wouldn't have launched the game in such a shitty state. Hey guys, let's go play with those two Coles, but it's okay, we'll get more characters in the sequel that will never be made!!
But of course, nothing to be surprised about when they set themselves up to be utter failures. I mean, it looks so uninspired and lacking. Had they been smart, which obviously they're not looking at the sorry state of the game, they would have gone the route of Power Stone. And they wouldn't have launched the game in such a shitty state. Hey guys, let's go play with those two Coles, but it's okay, we'll get more characters in the sequel that will never be made!!