NPD: PlayStation 5 has highest launch month for a hardware platform in U.S. history.
Investor9872
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To be fair, the newer Xboxes would definitely do a lot better if there weren't any supply constraints due to the pandemic. It's still difficult to find one now.
bxrz
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PS5 hit record numbers and STILL sold less than the Switch. They aren't in stock anywhere and scalpers have them up for resale for 1K. They have a supply issue too. You aren't using your brain
Interfectum
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Why would Sony be in trouble? They already have a streaming service. And Amazon, Google and Apple (soon) are all gunning for that legendary "1 billion gamers+" crowd with game streaming. Microsoft's advantage over the others is they have a hardware platform in a customer's house. If they lose that advantage they are just another game streaming service.
ethomaz
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Like XB1, PS4, PS5, etc.
IntentionalPun
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It will work out far better if they had a strong console userbase.
If Sony did the same strategy they would absolutely dominate Gamepass's numbers because they are just far more popular. Not just because they have more console owners who would naturally sign up, but because people who don't own Playstations see the brand far more favorably these days.
Microsoft is the butt of many jokes because of their handling of the console business. Outside of RROD they were the opposite in the 360 generation, until Kinect rotted their brains.
MS is so far behind on everything against Sony if Sony felt like it they could adopt the same strategy and crush MS. Sony is far from "in trouble" as if the trend changes they can increase the presence of PS Now in their marketing and start throwing some games at it earlier and boom, see ya Gamepass. MS will gladly host their future more global streaming solution too.
As it stands, cloud gaming being popular is a pipe dream of tech execs.. and something Sony is rightfully weary about.. from experience.
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Ah the lies and the absolutely degenerate jargon begins...
The PS4 sold ~2.1m units at launch back, in a time when there was less demand and consumer behavior dictated trends in which people were more likely to buy the console at a later date after launch.
The PS5 sold ~2.2m units at launch, when the demand is way bigger than in 2013 and consumer behavior dictates that lots of people buy the console earlier in it's cycle.
So we're going for the scenario of big launch and stagnation. Yeah the PS5 is never going to sell more than ~80m copies at most.
The PS4 sold ~2.1m units at launch back, in a time when there was less demand and consumer behavior dictated trends in which people were more likely to buy the console at a later date after launch.
The PS5 sold ~2.2m units at launch, when the demand is way bigger than in 2013 and consumer behavior dictates that lots of people buy the console earlier in it's cycle.
So we're going for the scenario of big launch and stagnation. Yeah the PS5 is never going to sell more than ~80m copies at most.
Demon's Souls cracked the top 10 for Nov?? Nice.
TLoU 2 and GoT on the year to date chart....Sony is on fire, the same year a next gen console launches too.
In the middle of a pandemic...
Entroyp
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Yet it feels like demand for PS5 is significantly greater than it ever was for PS4 around launch time. I think PS5 is easily a 100+ million seller and another success for Sony.
SilentUser
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People are spinning hard here. Xbox Series S plus X selling less than Xbox One is a bad thing. It is pretty clear that the lack of exclusives are hurting MS. Also, I think it is pretty clear they weren't ready to launch the console, considering how bad their launch lineup is (just 3rd party stuff and rerelases? Come on) and bad it looks to be next year too. And when they announce a game, its basically CGI stuff. They were not ready to launch.
Bernd Lauert
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Microsoft's big advantage is that they're already bigly invested in gaming and that they have the best infrastructure. The other players either aren't really in gaming or don't have the infrastructure.
v_iHuGi
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Damn delusional is one hell of a huge problem lmao
DO you even believe what you write? Absolutely disgraceful.
Bernd Lauert
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According to MS, Series outsold the One worldwide. And the single real exclusive on the PS5 is selling... ok-ish at best. Now explain how the lack of exclusives is hurting MS.
Interfectum
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All it would take is for Google, Amazon and/or Apple to buy a couple big publishers and half that problem would be solved overnight.
ethomaz
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Entroyp
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What do you mean by infrastructure? The "other" players do have talented game developers that win GoTY awards though.
Bernd Lauert
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Streaming infrastructure and compatibility. MS also has game developers now btw.
Lets not forget the stock, pandemic situation.
Sony seems to be much better prepared than MS in that regard, but could be doing better overall. There's no telling how much better either could have done in a normal situation.
But, if they sold more this time, under these circumstances, why would they sell less than 100 million overall? Wouldnt 100 million be the minimum?
Astro's Playroom, that's 2 real PS5 exclusives. Bundled with every PS5. Boom.
Astro better than Gamepass confirmed.
a multicultural team of v
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I mean, Sony could just use Azure and have the same infrastructure. Salesforce is basically Microsoft enemy #1 and they use Azure. Business is business.
SkylineRKR
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This would be an easy bet. Even the PS3 achieved quite a bit more.
PS5 selling 80m+ is a lock.
chemical boy
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In Europe the Xbox brand is not selling well at all. If your numbers are bad in the US in countries like Spain or Germany they will be terrible sales numbers. Failure.
Entroyp
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FIREKNIGHT2029
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Lay down the crack pipe.
SlimySnake
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There is really no way to spin this. XSX should not sell fewer units than the Xbox One which was at the time the most hated console. They get zero passes from me for the stock situation because it's their job to fill shelves with it, and they complicated matters by launching two different consoles. This is on them.
Congrats to Sony. they effectively increased the price of their console by a $100 this gen and still sold more. Hopefully this ends the nonsense of $399 being a sweet spot. I still maintain they shouldve tried to aim for a $499 sku and launched with a slightly bigger GPU to give 80% of the people who paid $500 a better value. $100 for a disc drive is nonsense. maybe it shouldve come with an extra controller or a few more tflops or something.
i want the ps5 pro to be $499. no bs $399 version. just go all out and give me a badass console with dedicated ray tracing cores this. none of this TMU nonsense. also, add in some tensor cores for DLSS. 20 tflops with dedicated tensor cores and rt cores should be good enough to run next gen games at 60 fps with ray tracing.
Congrats to Sony. they effectively increased the price of their console by a $100 this gen and still sold more. Hopefully this ends the nonsense of $399 being a sweet spot. I still maintain they shouldve tried to aim for a $499 sku and launched with a slightly bigger GPU to give 80% of the people who paid $500 a better value. $100 for a disc drive is nonsense. maybe it shouldve come with an extra controller or a few more tflops or something.
i want the ps5 pro to be $499. no bs $399 version. just go all out and give me a badass console with dedicated ray tracing cores this. none of this TMU nonsense. also, add in some tensor cores for DLSS. 20 tflops with dedicated tensor cores and rt cores should be good enough to run next gen games at 60 fps with ray tracing.
Coulomb_Barrier
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Yeh but didnt this guy say the ratio of PS5 to PS5: DE was 8:1, but then we got Japan PS5 sales split from Famitsu that showed about a 5:2 split i.e his numbers must have been way off.
I do think MS starts manufacturing more Series S than X asap.
Yeah, I forgot about this.
Sony's worst console launch and it cost more than the PS5. Worse 3rd party performance, since some ppl like to hang on to that as a reason for low sales.
80 million is easy.
LordBlodgett
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Could it be because NPD is North American numbers only, and that 1.5 million consoles sold in Nov 2013 was global?
Agnostic2020
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Ps5 pro for sure is 500$
SlimySnake
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ps4 1 million in a day number of NA only.
Thirty7ven
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The excuses have already begun. By fall of 2021 Xbox fans will have a PHD in SPIN
LordBlodgett
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Yep, I know they sold 1 million PS4 on launch day in North America, but I'm trying to figure out how Nintendo can say they were top seller this month with 1.35 million sales, and yet Sony is beating PS4 in terms of sales....
SlimySnake
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ps4 was exactly 1 million. like 1.024 million. they are probably between 1.024 and 1.35 million sales.
Jigsaah
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Nobody cares about the Series S. Especially after seeing how it performs
There was always talk of supply constraints. What are you talking about. For both systems. First adopters buying the S more than likely bought it because either they couldn't afford the X or the S was considered a secondary console to the PS5
onnextflix5
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Xbox fans talking nonsense again, allocation is based on preorders, thats why uk had so many ps5 consoles then rest of eu, xbox is just not doing well, but what do u expect for 7 years of hardly any games.
Jigsaah
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Nobody cares about the Series S. Especially after seeing how it performs
Having a "Supply Issue" does not mean that the supply issue between XSX and PS5 is equivalent. You're not using your brain, Bob.
Xsx and xss did worse than x1 in NA . Damn
v_iHuGi you can also out this tweet in op for reference .
This is the biggest surprise. I was expecting Xbox to dominate given the $299 price-point.
Doing worse than Xbox One is not a good look.
mckmas8808
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You don't believe this nonsense do you?
DeepEnigma
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I think it's sarcasm, mate.
Astral Dog
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They sold out units
I still believe SeriesX/S will end up selling far better than ONE unless Microsoft does something awful
SilentUser
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They released X|S in 37 countries, while One was just in 13 countries. Massive difference on that alone. Plus, they had 2 consoles and one of them was WAY cheaper than One on release.
Not trying to sound rude or anything, but being top 10 is not okayish for such a hardcore game like DeS, it is pretty good. Actually, it is pretty good for any game.
And MS will sell tons of consoles and GP, which I think the last is their main goal but the primary focus of my post here is the bad start on their main market despite having a cheaper machine. People did not perceive the value of the console for now.
JerryinSoCal
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This is why you don't buy marketing buzzwords like "biggest" because it can be interpreted in different ways. Also dollar amount should be higher for PS5 than PS4 as it had a $500 option and that wasn't the case last time, xbox one was already $500 at launch so that doesn't apply to them, people may bring up the Series S but they put out far fewer Series S models than Series X, most stores it was like an 85/15 percent split.
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gamechanger87
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MS sold less in the US than XBO because of supply. They launched in 37 countries vs 13 for the XBO.
NPD is a pure us number.
They've said that they sold more consoles at this launch than ever before which means worldwide number was higher. If they had cut down to 13 again they would have sold out with more in US. It's a supply allocation issue. They sold all that they made they just allocated differently.
Is this a hard concept to understand?
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Entroyp
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Lol no... read the whole post
roosnam1980
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always bet on SONY
Aceofspades
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Do you guys remember all the hate and concern trolling for Jim Ryan and the way Sony handled communication pre PS5?
It seems like Sony knew what they doing in the end and Jim won in the end.
Sony managed to design an exceptional APU (way cheaper and similarly performant as Xbox) all that while keeping a steady supply of games and readying an exceptional launch lineup and enough supply through a pandamic.
And we had multiple clowns here creating threads dissing Sony management and the way they handled the situation. Funny in retrospect
It seems like Sony knew what they doing in the end and Jim won in the end.
Sony managed to design an exceptional APU (way cheaper and similarly performant as Xbox) all that while keeping a steady supply of games and readying an exceptional launch lineup and enough supply through a pandamic.
And we had multiple clowns here creating threads dissing Sony management and the way they handled the situation. Funny in retrospect
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itsjustJEFF
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Highest huh, that's a new one. I've heard Largest, Biggest, most Massive etc. When the Switch 2/Pro releases it will be the hugest!