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NPD Sales Results for December 2008
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perfectchaos007
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bdizzle said:
In a tough economy, consumers are always looking for freebies with their purchase.
SapientWolf
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I don't really know what this chart is supposed to show. If it was pure revenue in 2007 Blizzard alone would take up a quarter of the chart.RSTEIN said:
Honestly, this is the pie chart of the century. All previous pie charts bow down to its greatness. In one simple image, as if communicating its unquestionable superiority wasn`t sufficient, Nintendo went the extra distance to demonstrate that its competitors, combined, are actually meaningless flecks of dust.
BishopLamont
Banned
Because even those delusional enough to call Wii Fit an accessory know Mario Kart is a real game.bdizzle said:
It ain't an NPD if it doesn't contain car analogies. :lolFutureZombie said:
The total video game market has grown this year from last year. Nintendo is saying that its competitors sold .035 billion dollars more worth of video game stuff in 2008 than in 2007 (I think). And that Nintendo is the one responsible for the actual video game industry growing. (Something like that)SapientWolf said:
NintendoTogepi
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DS keeps on selling like crazy, but it deserves it, it's a great little system.
Cirekiller said:I love how NPD has turned into a thread comprising of posters with a month worth of pent up fanboyism going wild the same GIF's every month. But w/e :lol
It does seem like Microsoft took the cake this month though. They got the momentum swinging their way with a price cut. Xbox 360 selling 1.44m units seems more impressive to me then Wii selling a little over 2 mil. Sony relinquished any chances of high sales by not having a price cut. And I'm sure the Wii could've sold more if more was on the shelf. It boggles my mind how to this day Nintendo can't meet the demand of the consumers.
But all this Sony gloom and doom is short sighted. No one expects a PS2-esque performance anymore. That chance flew out the window when the Wii took off. But 700k units with no system seller this holiday is respectable to say the least. It's a shame LBP never found the mass market audience and R2 say what you will wasn't a hit among the hardcore. But MGS4 does show that when good exclusive software does come people gravtitate towards PS3. But this is the only game so far for the PS3 that has done this.
Sony doesn't need to worry about price of the PS3 but worry more about perception. Get the AAA games out, these delays are really killing them. Convince 3rd parties to develop with PS3 as lead sku (which is almost impossible nowadays but go bribe the devs with japanese hookers if they need to.) And stop doing PSP bundles and give it a real price drop with an 4 GB stick and market it as a PS1 portable then flood the market with downloadable PS1 games. Anything to jump start an otherwise dead PSP software situation. A game like Resistance Retribution that comes around every 8 month does jack shit for the system.
DS seems to have the best eco system though. Huge install base with hardcore, casual, budget titles all having a share of the pie. Still have no idea how DSi would do for the US market at $180. Unless there's strong software support I don't see it usurping the DS lite.
I'll probably upgrade though.
dude
jamesinclair said:
Yes having the game that brought in the largest revenue of any game for the entire year must just be a giant karma stick right up Harmonix's ass. Considering it came out in 2007 for the other systems and was not sold at massive discounts on the PS3 and 360, the Wii sales winning out 2008 is not so surprising. The Wii and PS2 owners sure did snap up those clearance priced Rock Band Special Editions that were probably being sold at a loss by Harmonix . Plus with the awesome support Nintendo has given them in helping them to make DLC a reality for the system, I am sure that they are just dying to give something back. While I do agree that it should launch for all systems in as complete of a form as possible as all games should, lets not pretend like there are not some other factors here that contribute to the delays on certain system. Launching a giant rock kit across multiple platforms simultaneously along with equally featured games on four consoles that vary wildly in features and power is not some simple thing that Harmonix was just to lazy to attempt.
perfectchaos007
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turk128 said:Much easier to swallow...
1% cleavage?
andthebeatgoeson
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I wouldn't get too excited, yet. Wii outsold 360 in software sales last December and they are only now just getting around to besting 360 in 3rd party sales. I expect now to be a turning point with quite a few 3rd party announcements but I'm can expect 360 to do well in the 3rd party department early in the year. Probably in the 2nd half, the userbase difference will be too massive.Parl said:
The Faceless Master
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sounds like they're talking combined SKUsJetku said:
RSTEIN said:
Honestly, this is the pie chart of the century. All previous pie charts bow down to its greatness. In one simple image, as if communicating its unquestionable superiority wasn`t sufficient, Nintendo went the extra distance to demonstrate that its competitors, combined, are actually meaningless flecks of dust.
Misleading chart.
Any other companies with revenue growth are swallowed by companies with losses. Nintendo is dominant either way, but the chart seems to suggest that no other company has had significant revenue growth this year, which I doubt is the case.
viciouskillersquirrel
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It's meant to show revenue growth YoY, but it's actually rather misleading because it's comparing apples and oranges. It's still a top class bit of spin though.SapientWolf said:
Revenue doesn't rise or fall for the rest of the industry uniformly. Most likely what has happened is that whatever revenue growth was experienced by some companies was offset by revenue shortfalls by the others. When you add the revenue growth and shortfalls of the industry up (without taking into account Nintendo), you get a net of +$35 million. Of course, this number could just as easily be $500 billion shortfall + $500.035 billion growth as it could be $0 shortfall + $35 million. It's a meaningless figure that only states that the total amount of money being spent on non-Nintendo video game products grew by $35 million this year.
They then compared this against Nintendo's own $3.31 billion revenue growth, which dwarfed this figure and put it into a pie chart as though they were part of a meaningful whole (which they aren't). As it is, the representation is broken. For example, had non-Nintendo industry revenues shrunk YoY, it would have been impossible to put them both into a pie chart.
A better (but only slightly less meaningless) way to represent the data would have been as a bar graph with one representing non-Nintendo industry growth in dollars and the other representing Nintendo's growth in dollars, but that wouldn't have been nearly as funny, nor screamed domination as loudly as Pac-Man with an almost closed mouth.
RobotChant
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game industry equivalent of "pale blue dot".
This is all true... However, it must be said that even if you made a chart of only the companies that grew in 2008 I would expect Nintendo to have a very large slice of the pie.viciouskillersquirrel said:
All of this is console and US only, of course.
EDIT: Nintendo is also trying to make the point that if they had mysteriously vanished on January 1, 2008 the industry would have stagnated last year, everything else being the same. But everything wouldn't be the same, since everyone else wouldn't have to compete with them. But everyone else says they AREN'T competing with them, so... whatever.
lowlylowlycook
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viciouskillersquirrel said:
Listen to this squirrel!
But seriously this is dead on.
bigtroyjon
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manueldelalas said:
Bundles. I would bet that Sony ate the cost of the game for the bundle, konami gets to count it as a sale internally but those copies aren't counted as retail sales seperate from hardware.
Eteric Rice
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So how far off is the Wii from overtaking both HD consoles in the US now?
I think it overtook both worldwide a while back, didn't it?
I think it overtook both worldwide a while back, didn't it?
viciouskillersquirrel
Member
That graph would still be nigh-on useless regardless of what it looked like, however.Evlar said:
Ideally, they'd give us a bar graph comparing revenue growth and contraction for each of the major publishers and a number at the end stating total revenue growth. Of course, we'd notice that both the Nintendo growth and aggregate Industry growth numbers would be very similar, but then it'd be obvious that it's just a coincidence.
:lol I love the :awesome smiley in the corner.Adumaha said:
This strategy of understocking Mario Kart DS is really starting to piss me off. Damn you, Nintendo!AniHawk said:
It ties back into what Anita said in the NPD analysis: How can the industry be performing so well as a whole while so many companies are going bankrupt or shedding staff? Because the riches aren't evenly distributed. Nintendo is just pointing out that the uneven distribution is very much in their favor right now.viciouskillersquirrel said:
andthebeatgoeson
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A Beatles game with primary Wii marketing is CAN'T LOSE. I can think of 5 Beatles songs that would go perfectly to Wii marketing. It actually has the potential to bring in even more of the casual gamers and be a possible evergreen title, well, except for them releasing a new one each year. It's something they should put some real backing behind and try to capture everybody's attention with.TheGreatDave said:
Majima Everywhere System
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I thought the PS3 did pretty well. Clearly it isn't going to be the ps2 of this gen, but
neither is the xbox 360.
Gully State
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Sony has been pretty lucky thus far in that it hasn't completely lost a title to MS. Since publishers see 360/PS3/PC as one platform, it wouldn't be farfetched to say that it's not 360 vs PS3 vs Wii but rather HD consoles vs Wii.
XiaNaphryz
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Nice touch with the quote. :lolAdumaha said:
jamesinclair
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BigBlackGamer said:
1) RB2 on Wii supports DLC, as does GHWT. Unlike Activision, Harmonix launched 3 days before Christmas.
2) Even with downloadable content.....Harmonix has dropped the ball. Only a small portion of the songs can be downloaded onto the wii. It doesnt make sense
3) Only 50% of Xbox360 users are connected to the internet, and the 360 is supposed to be the most online integrated platform. Most gamers cannoy or do not want to purchase DLC.
Harmonix is ignoring a massive user base (two actually) and only they know why. Activision proved that you could provide the full band experience, with DLC, with creatable characters, with multiple stages on Wii (and PS2). Obviously, technical limitations is not an excuse.
This industry is still based on retail software, and the enormous Wii numbers show how much theyre missing. A few pages ago, it was posted that RB1 for Wii outsold every single other version of RB1 and 2 in 2008. Harmonix COULD have had DLC available, they chose not to.
Harmonix COULD have sold 800k+ copies on the Wii, and another 400k+ on the PS2 in December, like Activision did. Instead, they barely managed 150k.
Thats 35 million missed out on, not including a single instrument.
How much money does DLC make again?