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NPD Sales Results for December 2009
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boiled goose
good with gravy
NeoUltima said:
Ummmm, these megahits are unique to nintendo even outside the wii.... (and DS)
ShinNL
Member
My post was directed to posters like this guyLostconfused said:
People who think that game is worthy of selling millions are so extremely biased. Yes it's not top quality software. Gameplay fun? High review scores? How about... is that core gameplay what people want? I don't think so.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Jtyettis said:
Fun facts;
Worldwide
This gen's first place system is outpacing last gen's first place system
This gen's second place system is outpacing last gen's second place system--in fact, it's outsold it.
This gen's third place system is outpacing last gen's third place system--in fact, it's outsold it.
US only
This gen's first place system is outpacing last gen's first place system
This gen's second place system is outpacing last gen's second place system--in fact, it's outsold it.
This gen's third place system is outpacing last gen's third place system--it'll outsell it in the next 2-3 months.
-Pyromaniac- said:
no, no, no, and no.
shintoki said:
As I mentioned earlier, it`s about 250k away from L4D1`s LTD.
pseudocaesar
Member
DaveTheSnake said:
It outsold the 360 by 1,395,335 in Japan alone. So taking out the US loss of 436k, gives us a lead of 959k give or take a few units. Europe is traditionally Sony land, and from evidence throughout the year in most European countries you see the PS3 outselling the 360. Unless the UK 360 lead is like over a million (Which i highly doubt), then its a pretty sure bet that the PS3 outsold the 360 WW.
Also, something I've seen in a few NPD threads in a row and it's always stupid: why on earth do people expect new PS3 owners to pick up a game with 2 in the fucking title? No, Uncharted 2 is not going to sell to brand new owners of the system. Stop expecting it to break into the NPD again because the Slim had a good month, that's idiotic and does the game's steady sales a disservice.
Okay, so. You obviously can read that the more traditional Mario game did amazing numbers. And your complaint is what, exactly? That new owners who did not choose to buy a system when a game several years old released did not feel compelled to buy that game the moment they got their system? Wow, yeah, it blows my mind too.
Zachack said:
Okay, so. You obviously can read that the more traditional Mario game did amazing numbers. And your complaint is what, exactly? That new owners who did not choose to buy a system when a game several years old released did not feel compelled to buy that game the moment they got their system? Wow, yeah, it blows my mind too.
Psychotext
Member
So... :enemyglider:
He's who we all think he is right? :lol
He's who we all think he is right? :lol
boiled goose
good with gravy
grandjedi6 said:
Hey Hey...
He only wants third parties to apologize to wii owners..........
Is that so unreasonable???
OldJadedGamer
Banned
Stumpokapow said:
You missed COD4... the very first ever million seller in the US.
ShockingAlberto
Member
I've said this before, but both Iwata and Reggie use "THERE'S A GIANT FUCKING INSTALL BASE" as a reason, the reason, to develop on the Wii. Gone is the argument about low development cost, no longer are they saying "Innovative control scheme!" to sell devkits, they are pointing at the install base as their biggest advantage.Sho_Nuff82 said:
Third parties, for whatever reason, take this to mean that simply putting a Wii game out means it should sell. This isn't my assumption, Sega has confirmed this exact logic. They expressed extreme discontent that the Conduit, a maligned game from a shovelware developer, did not sell by sheer virtue of being on the Wii. EA, as misguided as they may have been, was really excited about Dead Space Extraction. The game was pretty damn good. But it released to the toot of a broken horn, not a commercial or advertising campaign to be seen. Meanwhile, EA has been staging fake protests, bribing journalists with food and money, and generally been making an event about Dante's Inferno, a kind of stupid looking God of War clone that can at best hope to be a black eye to its own name. But it's getting ads, it will get good reviews that are immediately suspect because of all the lead up, and will sell well because of that. Third parties want Wii games to sell because they're on the Wii and does not understand at all why anyone could think differently.
And what can you really do about it? Can Nintendo say "Ignore the install base, we still have last gen graphics and a control scheme equal or worse than the competition"? Can they tell third parties "Yeah, you spend less on making games, but you have to make that up in advertising to maybe sell well, so deal with it"?
Third parties, for all their output on all systems and all the money they're making, are lost. And they don't even realize it. They don't get the problems with the Wii audience not buying their games is a problem they will face next generation. As video games become more ubiquitous in our society, there will continue to be more people who play four games a year and not four a month. Third parties are facing three possible options: either the gaming market stays exactly the same forever, it shrinks, or it expands to people who don't identify as gamers.
Unless third parties - and this means Sega, Capcom, and the rest who pride themselves on broad appeal and not hardcore otakuness like NIS and Atlus - understand what they're doing wrong, no install base or graphics will save them.
jamesinclair
Banned
Pennywise83 said:Never forget:
I want to see the chart with the squiggly line that explodes for PS3!
OldJadedGamer said:
There's sprinkles of all kinds of shit in here this month :lol I think my contribution was more on-topic than many things here...
We don't have a WW thread to discuss 'ww' things in. Now that we have Dec NPD it's possible to fill in the picture more fully for the aftermath of one of the bigger stories of the year, so that's why I chucked this in here.
OldJadedGamer said:
I think Sony should/would be happy to hold MS to a tie as much as possible in NA going forward. It'll be interesting to see if they can do that. I'm not sure if they can, but we'll see. The first months of the year are so quiet anyway, they hardly mean much. But it is and would be a big recovery on the previous situation if they could hold their (current) ground.
MS is obviously looking to recast the system with Natal later next year. I think you'll see price movements and perhaps hardware redesigns to go with that. Sony'll have their own new toys and have their own good lineup too. Not sure about price movement for Sony next year. There's obviously room for it, but I don't know if Sony will want to do it from a financial POV. I think that they may be encouraged to stick with the current price...if they can hold rough sales parity with MS at the current pricepoint, despite a $100 price-gap across some different SKUs, it speaks a bit about relative desirability of the two systems on the market right now. I think Sony will lean on that for as long as they possibly can, but they may be forced to make a move for next holiday.
Anyway, I think the bigger question for both Sony and MS next year has less to do with the battle between themselves, and more how or if they can even try and get a piece of the market Nintendo is reaching. I think from a business POV that has to be the question top of their minds.
edit - lol, even i keep forgetting about the new PS3 price
Fixed my price-gaps above.Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
OldJadedGamer said:
MW stands for...
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
AceBandage said:
- Owning other consoles does not exempt one from being a fanboy or from saying stupid things
- For you, this has nothing to do with quality. There are tons of quality Wii titles which you disregard for stupid reasons
- As for own AC2 comment here has just shown, what you really want is what the HD console have. You say all you want is "equal quality" but what you really want is parallel experiences
The Wii is not the console you think or apparently want it to be. The Wii is not the 360, the Wii is not the PS3, the Wii is not the PS2. It is its own creature and deserves games made to its strengths. Which is why your argument is a neverending catch-22 for publishers -- if they were to make a game that is different from the HD, or "traditional" model, then you disregard them because they "don't count". However if the publishers go ahead and try to replicate those experiences then they predictably fail, hence making them "not count" again. Thus its impossible for 3rd parties to meet your demands.
:enemyglider: said:
:lol
Yup, I was wrong for December, but 50k difference for the month I'm still not sure MS is that worried at this point considering they still outsold them by ~400k for the year, and still maintain 7.5 million lead in the US. They have a strong piece of SW coming out of the gate this month which will in fact help and longer term they have some very good exclusives this year. Will they drop the price again this year like they did in 2008, sure. They will respond to Sony's price cut and redesign like they should with at least a decent price cut and HW. Again, MS is turning profit on each piece of HW unlike Sony so I'm not sure they have to cut the price just yet either and the real question is when they cut the price will it take another year or two for Sony to respond in full.
The holiday quarter difference is under 12k units again which is nothing and this after Sony's biggest move this gen. MS at this point should be more focused on what to do in Europe than anything which is the real battleground at this point. 2010 will be more than fine for the 360 in the US and I really do not agree with the whole PS3 outselling the 360 indefinitely when they restock either.
radioheadrule83
Banned
grandjedi6 said:
They're not trying to meet either demand. They're phoning it in 99 times out of 100. You must be blind to it if you disagree.
Psychotext
Member
Most of them are here: http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Analyst_predictionsjamesinclair said:
AceBandage
Banned
grandjedi6 said:
Which is exactly what I'm asking for and not getting.
:enemyglider: said:
There havent been any blockbuster titles like Assassins Creed 2 on the Wii outside of the first party Blockbusters.
Sho_Nuff82 said:
Wii has sold a shit ton of third party software, the majority of which has been "drug along for the ride" as you indicated. The first Carnival Games that sold like 2+ million or more worldwide didnt do so because it was an amazing game. It did so on random pickups by people as the hardware sold, and there are countless other examples. We shouldnt have to pull out the "Wii million sellers and third party sales" picture every thread, its getting old.
Jigsaw said:
It doesnt matter, NSMB already outsold PS3 version so the bet is won, and even if the bet was lost, NSMB in Feb will pass the 360 MW2 and continue on throughout the year and become one of the best selling titles of all time. Leaving MW2 in the dust REGARDLESS. Lets not act like this meaningless bet is what should be Marveled upon.
In any case I dont think any of the nonsense about Wiis third party support, or lack thereof matters, this is yet another year where we see:
Road said:
7 out of the top ten, hell and thats splitting SKU's which helps get the top 10 more diversified because of MW2 getting to eat 2 of the top 10 spots. Nintendo is going to gang rape the industry and reap all the rewards, alone if they are allowed, what the third parties do will have absolutely no effect.
grandjedi6 said:
Jedi, what in the fuck is a HD like game.. That makes no fucking sense at all, say it aloud and think that through, it makes no goddamn sense.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Psychotext said:
The VG Sales Wiki, by the way, has been a fantastic resource for quick lookups of old data for years. It used to use its own domain but it migrated to Wikia. I`m sure some GAFfer maintains it but I have no idea who. Whoever it is, thanks a million, your work is great.
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
ShockingAlberto said:
You sir, continue to live up to your tag.
Psychotext
Member
Indeed, excellent little site. I wouldn't have been able to do my game sales table without it.Stumpokapow said:
Stop with the Wii third party talks. It's over. If you were hoping for better support, you lose.
Why is no one talking about DS third party sales? It just sold another 3.3M units, too. It has an even larger install base than the Wii. It has even lower development costs than the Wii. And yet Western third parties don't support it, and no one seems to be suggesting that's going to change. It's because people are so accustomed to this, that they don't even question it any longer. They've always lived in a world where handhelds were supported weakly.
It's time to change your frame of reference, and think of the Wii like you would the DS. It simply is not going to happen.
Why is no one talking about DS third party sales? It just sold another 3.3M units, too. It has an even larger install base than the Wii. It has even lower development costs than the Wii. And yet Western third parties don't support it, and no one seems to be suggesting that's going to change. It's because people are so accustomed to this, that they don't even question it any longer. They've always lived in a world where handhelds were supported weakly.
It's time to change your frame of reference, and think of the Wii like you would the DS. It simply is not going to happen.
Zachack said:
No, they chose to buy a controller that comes with a party game they can toss in from time to time. Complaining about the sales of Wii Play always seems very, very disingenuous to me. Surely we all can admit that the reason it sells so well is it is an expansion pack for $10 when you pick up the extra controller you will need because everyone you know is going to want to play your Wii along with you. Of course it will outsell a single player game the new owners most likely won't even know exist because they never played it over at a friends house and there hasn't been an ad for it in two years.
Zachack said:
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EmCeeGramr
Member
oh no how can enemyglider stalk jyettis now
and yeah, geoff was totally going for a spicy blog headline, he can say it was misreported but i saw the video and reggie was still talking about single-platform when geoff kept trying to butt in with his bizarre 360 question (still not sure why that question even came up other than wanting a juicy quote for people to watch)
and yeah, geoff was totally going for a spicy blog headline, he can say it was misreported but i saw the video and reggie was still talking about single-platform when geoff kept trying to butt in with his bizarre 360 question (still not sure why that question even came up other than wanting a juicy quote for people to watch)
OldJadedGamer
Banned
Stumpokapow said:
You sly dog... you so crazy!! Activision renaming strategy +1... OldJadedGamer -1
DevelopmentArrested
Banned
Zachack said:
SMG didn't sell as poorly as youre suggesting pal (WW - it did quite well) i know its cute to think that the best game should sell the most but.. well it's nice to want things.
timetokill
Banned
ShockingAlberto said:
Good stuff, and exactly why it annoys me when people say it's "too late" for third-parties and the Wii. It is almost an assumption that Wii is really still a fad or at least a "phase" and eventually it's going to go away. The Wii will eventually be replaced but what it represents and who it targets is not going to go away, people. This is the future. Wii 2 will come around, and Sony and MS are trying their damndest to grab some of that pie with Natal and the Wand. Third-parties are going to have to figure it out eventually, or accept niche status.
PartlyCloudlike
Member
The Wii numbers are incredible and don't surprise me one bit. For Christmas, I purchased two Wii's as gifts for family members (For the record, I don't own one and do not have any interest in purchasing one for myself). None of them are hardcore gamers, so I thought it would be perfect. IMO, it served it's purpose as my "Go to" gift, like the iPod was a few years back. A gift that you can rather safely assume that they'll enjoy, the perfect "casual" present. The price point works too. It's somewhat pricey, but not exorbitant to the point where it makes a person feel uncomfortable for receiving it. It's just a fun, high tech gadget in their eyes.
Grampa Simpson
Banned
There's a lot to this. Ubisoft really did build a great property with the Rabbids. They actually have some mindshare with it. What they did to it, I don't know about. I bought and then didn't like Raving Rabbids. I think there are a lot of people who are in the same position. The question is if two cookie cutter sequels completely suffocated the brand, or if it's transformation into a Katamari clone will garner it the greatness that the character concept deserved.Fredescu said:
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
user_nat said:
AC2 is possibly over a million but unlike the others I have no data to confirm it. If it had the same November : December ratio as 360, it didn`t quite make it there.
AC2 360 - November 794k December 783k
AC2 PS3 - November 448k December... who knows.
I would feel much better saying AC2 PS3 will pass a million but hasn`t yet.
grandjedi6 said:
i think the problem is that a for a lot of publishers that equates to gimped gameplay or a lack of content/polish.
i think third party wii software has been very good this year but it hasn't sold as well as it should have. i think it could have sold much better if they'd gotten the word out to casuals in a big way
stuff like boy and his blob, silent hill, little king story and rayman rabbits is cool as fuck and deserves to sell very well
lowrider007
Licorice-flavoured booze?
End of the day third party titles could have a billion dollars budget, it doesn't change the fact the my mum/grandparents etc are never going to buy them, they know Mario (as a franchise), Wii Fit, Wii Sports, and that's about it, they are not 'traditional' gamers, and it's these types of people that are buying the Wii in droves.
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
Isn't one of the Wii's most appealing traits supposely that it doesn't have as high of budgets as HD games?legend166 said:
Hint: That core gameplay that the majority of Wii owners want is not the core gameplay of PS360 games. If people wanted that then they would just play PS360 games, which they have. I think you should refrain from projecting your own tastes upon the Wii userbase as if they would ever care about the same games as you.Soneet said:
Pennywise83
Banned
jamesinclair said:
