The last GT did somewhere over 1.5M in 10.5 months: http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/NPD_2005_sales_figuresMetalmurphy said:
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NPD Sales Results For December 2010 [Up5: Some Kinect/Move Data]
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Little Green Yoda
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Playstation Family lives! :lol
Having half of your PR composed of a single MetaCritic score has got to be tough...
Having half of your PR composed of a single MetaCritic score has got to be tough...
jamesinclair
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Sony :lol :lol
_Alkaline_
Member
DMeisterJ said:
Maybe you should stop making excuses for these numbers?
Those games were brought up because they are all new IPs, and not only that, but two of them are games for a market that is only a few million people in size. This isn't Mario or COD or Halo. This is obscure shit. And they all outsold GT5.
I didn't even bring up NFS which has outsold GT5 quite convincingly to date.
Of course GT5's sales are impressive on their own, but not for GT5. This is not some middling IP we are talking about. This is the biggest thing Sony has. When you consider that it hasn't even sold a million units in the holiday period...well, what else can Sony do? GT5 is a big-budget as it gets and even that couldn't seem to appeal to the masses.
GT5 will probably end up selling somewhere around or over 5 million WW when it's all said and done, but it could and should have been so much more.
Jtyettis said:
Keep in mind that they shipped 1.25 million copies to North America and Latin American countries. They sold 960k in the US alone.
They sent 550k copies to Japan and sold 510k in two weeks.
They shipped a total of 5.5 million copies out worldwide, I don't think it's unreasonable to think they'll sell all those copies.
DMeisterJ said:
Not whole lot besides the fact that one is very much an established brand while the others brand new IP that launched around it and performing better. This whole thread is dedicated to sales age and comparison. Nothing new.
Shurs said:
Oh I think they can clear that shipment, but certainly wasn't making that comparison. That was directly a comparison of US sales now and going forward compared to the LTD of the mainline GTs before this.
Metalmurphy
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No. They didn't.Grecco said:
John Harker said:I loved it, and then the link died letting the youngins know it was about LOST, so then I hated it... I get largely ignored :lol But hey, at the end of the day, safer for my career that way I suppose
So wait. They are making a sequel to EM?
But, the JP, job description...
plagiarize
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it was also the third best selling game that year. the market has grown a lot since then.cakefoo said:
most people were expecting GT to have grown with it.
FunkyPajamas said:
$99 is a little drastic, but I think a $150 price point would be a good idea before next Christmas. The Wii hasn't had a price drop in a while, plus with the 360 at price parity and the way that Kinect has taken off, Nintendo needs to do something besides bundles to maintain the sense of value it had when this gen began.
Metalmurphy
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It also did 618k on launch date. GT5 did 560k on it's second month.cakefoo said:
The difference is NOT that huge. US isn't GTs main market.
plagiarize
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oh right sorry. it came in at the prestigious XX position.DMeisterJ said:
So from the data we have:
Gran Turismo 5 shipped:
Japan-0.55
North and Latin America-1.25
Europe-3.56
Asia-0.16
Total-5.52
It's got through it's Japan shipment but probably won't get another, is not far off from finishing the NA shipment and no idea about EU besides it's well over 1.5 million by now. EU cuts so much fucking slack it's not even funny, this is a NPD thread however so still :lol :lol shite numbers.
Gran Turismo 5 shipped:
Japan-0.55
North and Latin America-1.25
Europe-3.56
Asia-0.16
Total-5.52
It's got through it's Japan shipment but probably won't get another, is not far off from finishing the NA shipment and no idea about EU besides it's well over 1.5 million by now. EU cuts so much fucking slack it's not even funny, this is a NPD thread however so still :lol :lol shite numbers.
_Alkaline_
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Sony said:
I'm sorry Sony but this is hilarious. :lol
I'm not sure why this needs to be stated so often: GT5 is a success by gaming standards if we consider it a typical game. It's an enormous success, in fact, if it has already shipped 5.5M copies.
If the standard is the GT franchise, then the sales are, at least, underwhelming.
If the standard is "Sony's flagship franchise," then they are also underwhelming.
If the standard is profitability, then GT5 is unquestionably profitable, and likely profitable by a wide margin. Also good.
The problem with these arguments is that no one is precisely wrong about GT5: it's entirely possible for one person to say the sales are good while another says the sales are bad, as they're coming from two different perspectives.
Sometimes, some perspectives are not legitimate. For example, if GT5 sold 1M copies total, and you said, "well, that's more than any other racing sim on the PS3 that had a prologue has sold," I would consider that a flatly invalid perspective. If God of War 3 had sold 9 million copies and someone said, "that's not as good as Halo," that would be a flatly invalid perspective.
But in this case, I think there are several legitimate perspectives, and they don't allow for an absolute consensus of opinion. In some ways the game did relatively poorly. In other ways it did excellently.
To wit: GT5 is a game that sold extremely well on absolute terms, but not very well given the series pedigree. The end.
If the standard is the GT franchise, then the sales are, at least, underwhelming.
If the standard is "Sony's flagship franchise," then they are also underwhelming.
If the standard is profitability, then GT5 is unquestionably profitable, and likely profitable by a wide margin. Also good.
The problem with these arguments is that no one is precisely wrong about GT5: it's entirely possible for one person to say the sales are good while another says the sales are bad, as they're coming from two different perspectives.
Sometimes, some perspectives are not legitimate. For example, if GT5 sold 1M copies total, and you said, "well, that's more than any other racing sim on the PS3 that had a prologue has sold," I would consider that a flatly invalid perspective. If God of War 3 had sold 9 million copies and someone said, "that's not as good as Halo," that would be a flatly invalid perspective.
But in this case, I think there are several legitimate perspectives, and they don't allow for an absolute consensus of opinion. In some ways the game did relatively poorly. In other ways it did excellently.
To wit: GT5 is a game that sold extremely well on absolute terms, but not very well given the series pedigree. The end.
plagiarize
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no arguments here.Opiate said:
that sony didn't draw any attention to it in their PR is a pretty clear indication to me how *they* feel about its performance.
Metalmurphy
Member
Opiate said:
One can also say it sold extremely well considering the increasing lack of interest in these games by the US.
Forza also disappeared from the NPD, yet it continued to sell very well in Europe.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
MYE said:
Souldriver
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Sony's PR is just so sad and funny.
And I am totally reading that highlight as: "Sony is the only company to see a rise of EXACTLY 32% in software sales.... MS saw a 44% rise and Nintendo a 28% rise, BUT NOT 32!!!".
And I am totally reading that highlight as: "Sony is the only company to see a rise of EXACTLY 32% in software sales.... MS saw a 44% rise and Nintendo a 28% rise, BUT NOT 32!!!".
Metalmurphy
Member
You're right. We should compare sales after a year, where GT5 will be slightly below GT4, but not low enough to justify all the drama we're seeing here.antonz said:
_Alkaline_
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Snipes424 said:
If you don't find it funny that one of Sony's top 2 highlights of the month is a single game getting good reviews, in a sales-related press release no less, then I can't help you.