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Pretty bad, like 70k-ish iirc. I guess I should add a few qualifiers to my statement. I think the window has pretty much passed on first/third person shooters because the other two consoles did so much to cement those audiences in particular while the Wii languished for years. It probably didn't help matters any that Goldeneye was following in the wake of the panned Quantum of Solace. Even so, I think there was a good long opening for those sorts of titles in the first few years of the Wii's lifespan that went almost entirely ignored.

Also it came out literally one week before Black Ops. Even if you're buying a shooter on the Wii, you're probably going to buy Call of Duty Wii instead. (It would probably be a mistake, but still.)

Incidentally, I'm guessing the Wii outsold the 360 this month, since Microsoft hasn't said anything about them having the best selling console this December.

 

[plufim]

Has any system ever tried to do a "relaunch"?

Oh they've tried. They just usually fail, and fail hard.

 

[thefro]

Kevin Butler ads appeal to nobody except hardcore gamers.

The price drop ad was great, but it's been pretty poor at reaching the mass audience since.

 

[Kenka]

Nirolak, can you add the lower bound for Just Dance 2 in the OP ?

 

[Why For?]

If we even assume that this year is an inflection point for the 360 (that is, we are conservative and assume this is the best year the 360 will ever have), then it would likely take 2-3 more years before sales dropped down to unacceptable levels. I think Sony and particularly Microsoft appear to be on track for the intended 10 year lifespans of their systems.

Fuck yeah if so.

 

[Doodis]

wow @ 360 HW sales, I thought they was inferring that stock was short?

The article said they pulled from January and February allotments to meet demand. So perhaps they'll be short the next couple months.

 

[Nirolak]

Nirolak, can you add the lower bound for Just Dance 2 in the OP ?

Sure.

I'll add in the low bound for CoD as well.

Thanks for figuring this out.

 

[Majine]

I hope 2011 gets better for PS3. They are pushing out every goddamn franchise they got this year.

 

[Vinci]

Oh they've tried. They just usually fail, and fail hard.

How many have had the combined might of a corporation as wealthy and influential as MS with the ENTIRE 3rd party industry backing it?

 

[snap0212]

sorry, wrong info.

 

[user_nat]

You're a god among men.


So, let's recap if we assume that no DS game charted :


[x] 01. Just Dance 2 ---> Anita Frazier said it was top SKU this month so it is > 1.8 M (cause CoD sold approximatively 3.6 M copies this month - 12M compared to 8.4M last month)


Everything that has a [x] in front of it is charting in the Top 10 for sure. Low bound for Just Dance 2 is confirmed.

Black Ops is on 5 platforms, not 2.

Likely over 1.8 anyhow, since the 360 SKU should make up about 50% of the sales anyhow.

 

[Prine]

It's taken you five years to realize this?

Id say i was more cautious. Didnt want to conclude without giving them time to do something.

 

[Hiro_Kunimi_80]

07. Mario Kart Wii

Everything that has a [x] in front of it is charting in the Top 10 for sure. Low bound for Just Dance 2 is confirmed.

Why Mario Kart Wii ?

 

[Opiate]

Let's say the 360 drops 20% next year, and 20% the year after that. That's a fairly precipitous drop, so I'm being conservative here. That would mean that in 2012, as the 360 passes its eighth Christmas, the 360 would be selling ~4.4 million units, or just 300k short of its average totals in year 2-4.

And all of this is assuming the 360 has peaked, which may not be the case.

 

[Vinci]

Id say i was more cautious. Didnt want to conclude without giving them time to do something.

No one is invincible in this industry. People thought Atari was - crash. People thought Nintendo was - crash. People thought Sony was - crash.

Even MS is capable of being crushed. It's just harder.

 

[LCfiner]

Not surprised by GT5 sales. this happens for pretty much any heavily anticipated game that somewhat underperforms the first month. the Gaf thread always says that it'll chart the next month since it was "only out for (x) days".

but it never does.

GT5 can be good fun but its place as Sony's biggest IP in NA is long gone.

 

[3rdman]

This just gets silly seriously, I don't understand why certain individuals on here are so opposed to GT5 being classed as success, at least financially, it doesn't matter how long the game has been in production, it will make millions of dollars in profit (well, has already), that in today's gaming market is classed as a success imo, in terms of critical acclaim I'll agree, in that respects it hasn't been as successful as it should of been but been this a 'sales age thread' and I was referring more to the finical side of things.

Success? It's been 6 years in the making and doesn't even place in the top 10 in its first full month on the charts. That's a disaster as far as Sony is concerned...Exactly how many millions were spent making this? How many times did Sony pick up the tab when somebody wanted to record the sound a driver's fart sounds like driving Sebring? Seriously, did you or anyone in SonyGaf could honestly have predicted that in December GT5 wouldn't make top 10? No? Anybody?

The sales of titles are measured against its own expectations, right...if we can briefly use that as the main measuring stick for which it is judged, GT5 is a failure.

 

[tzare]

I hope 2011 gets better for PS3. They are pushing out every goddamn franchise they got this year.

they are doing ok, just the other two are doing great . In the US at least

 

[YYZ]

Holy shit who could have foreseen how bad things would get for Sony. Games aren't selling well at all and sales will be even worse with the PS3 security being blown wide open.

 

[shintoki]

I hope 2011 gets better for PS3. They are pushing out every goddamn franchise they got this year.

Technically, they pushed nearly every franchise they got already, most several times by now.

 

[Zachack]

Oh they've tried. They just usually fail, and fail hard.

Name them. For reference, by most standards the 32X would barely qualify as a relaunch, and IMO would not qualify.

 

[TheOddOne]

Technically, they pushed nearly every franchise they got already, most several times by now.

Yeah, while the 2011 lineup looks impressive I don't think it will translate that much in sales.

 

[Majine]

Technically, they pushed nearly every franchise they got already, most several times by now.

It'll be interesting to see how LBP2 does. The first game had some impressive legs and they have hopefully built up a large fanbase for the second game.

 

[Vinci]

Holy shit who could have foreseen how bad things would get for Sony. Games aren't selling well at all and sales will be even worse with the PS3 security being blown wide open.

Actually, that might help the hardware sales increase.

 

[shintoki]

Oh, that's what I was guessing in my head. I'm actually a fan of that manga but haven't read it for so long since they have only released 4 volumes.

It's been put in indefinite hiatus. I wouldn't bother reading it anymore, unless you can handle it never being finish.

It'll be interesting to see how LBP2 does. The first game had some impressive legs and they have hopefully built up a large fanbase for the second game.

Many of the sales are due to a massive discount in price and heavy bundling. While I don't think it will be a tank like Motorstorm 1 -> 2 was. It's hard to say if it's going be a gangbuster success either. But on the positive side, it's coming out at a fantastic time. Few weeks after the holidays and probably getting the first major advertising push since/of the year.

 

[Psychotext]

but it never does.

Whilst I agree with what you're saying in general... it has actually happened 3 or 4 times. But yeah, obviously exceptions to the rule.

 

[Chris1964]

Lack of numbers has made this thread boring.

 

[plufim]

Not surprised by GT5 sales. this happens for pretty much any heavily anticipated game that somewhat underperforms the first month. the Gaf thread always says that it'll chart the next month since it was "only out for (x) days".

but it never does.

GT5 can be good fun but its place as Sony's biggest IP in NA is long gone.

"Sales will pick up next month"
"Load times will be improved with a patch"
"The problems indicated in the preview/demo will be fixed by launch"

and so on.

We don't learn.

 

[Why For?]

Holy shit who could have foreseen how bad things would get for Sony. Games aren't selling well at all and sales will be even worse with the PS3 security being blown wide open.

In most countries outside the US, the piracy will most likely help the PS3.

It certainly will in Australia.

Sony wont have to give away so many PS3s with Bravias down here anymore now. Aussies love them some piracy.

 

[apana]

It's been put in indefinite hiatus.I wouldn't bother reading it anymore, unless you can handle it never being finish.

Oh no, saddest NPD thread ever.

Edit: Sorry about distractions, wont happen now.

 

[EviLore]

Avatar talk deleted, please stay on topic.

More data will be forthcoming, so whining about the state of NPD or how "boring" this thread is is pointless.

 

[The Felo]

I'm just happy a Rare game is in the single sku top 10. Kinect Sports is awesome

GT5...you know this shit is, fuckin ridiculous.

 

[Kenka]

Black Ops is on 5 platforms, not 2.

Likely over 1.8 anyhow, since the 360 SKU should make up about 50% of the sales anyhow.

Fuck. I figured out something completely wrong. :-((((((((((

Nirolak, Evil, sorry :-(

 

[A Human Becoming]

In most countries outside the US, the piracy will most likely help the PS3.

It certainly will in Australia.

Sony wont have to give away so many PS3s with Bravias down here anymore now. Aussies love them some piracy.

But Sony makes money off the software...?

 

[lowrider007]

Success? It's been 6 years in the making and doesn't even place in the top 10 in its first full month on the charts. That's a disaster as far as Sony is concerned...Exactly how many millions were spent making this? How many times did Sony pick up the tab when somebody wanted to record the sound a driver's fart sounds like driving Sebring? Seriously, did you or anyone in SonyGaf could honestly have predicted that in December GT5 wouldn't make top 10? No? Anybody?

The sales of titles are measured against its own expectations, right...if we can briefly use that as the main measuring stick for which it is judged, GT5 is a failure.

wow a "disaster", a "failure" ?, I'm sorry mate but those words don't mix with GT5 or the GT franchise imo, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree otherwise it'll just become a circular argument bogging this thread down.

 

[sphinx]

Lack of numbers has made this thread boring.

.

EDIT: sorry, please forgive

 

[hatchx]

And now, with Epic Mickey's success, someone could now go even further!

You mean like making a good game?

HAZAH!

 

[plufim]

Name them. For reference, by most standards the 32X would barely qualify as a relaunch, and IMO would not qualify.

32X and SEGA CD were going to be my examples.

Also N64 DD, which didn't even get to leave japan.

 

[szaromir]

Avatar talk deleted, please stay on topic.

More data will be forthcoming

 

[Shogmaster]

Avatar talk deleted, please stay on topic.

More data will be forthcoming, so whining about the state of NPD or how "boring" this thread is is pointless.

We have no patience. We are gamers...

 

[slit]

And now, with Epic Mickey's success, someone could now go even further!

I knew this would be brought up, as soon as I saw Epic Mickey's sales.:lol

 

[Four_Chamber]

Microsoft has done a great job with 360 marketing

We know Kinect titles are doing relatively well. If Kinect Sports and Dance Central did indeed chart in the Top 10, that's a pretty amazing accomplishment. I expect the momentum to build for Kinect over this year with word of mouth. Dance Central is really an experience.

Also, GT5 has got to be a massive disappointment for Sony. For all the time and dollars delegated to the project, its incredible how relatively poor its sales are.

 

[Huevos de Oro]

Well, that wraps up an outstanding year for the 360. Best year ever for Microsoft since entering the console business.

 

[lowrider007]

so whining about the state of NPD or how "boring" this thread is is pointless.

Agreed, last month we ended up getting some great info, I kind of like it being drip fed to us, makes it all the more intriguing.

 

[Pooya]

Lack of numbers has made this thread boring.

what happened to nintendo numbers this month! we got them soon after past months :\

 

[ShockingAlberto]

You mean like making a good game?

HAZAH!

It's a possibility

Maybe Disney will let Spector finish an Epic Mickey 2

 

[3rdman]

wow a "disaster", a "failure" ?, I'm sorry mate but those words don't mix with the GT5 or the GT franchise imo, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree otherwise it'll just become a circular argument bogging this thread down.

I think you may confusing your love of the game with its performance at retail.

 

[Vinci]

wow a "disaster", a "failure" ?, I'm sorry mate but those words don't mix with the GT5 or the GT franchise imo, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree otherwise it'll just become a circular argument bogging this thread down.

By any measurement, GT5 did not perform to expectations. All hyperbole aside, could you at least agree with that? I agree others are exaggerating the extent of its drop, but it has definitely had a drop in prominence according to this turnout.

 

[Kenka]

Please remove the Just Dance 2 numbers, I fucked up.





As user_nat said, the game is on 5 plateforms and not only 2. Taking CoD numbers as a basis would make sense only if one version sold more than 50%. The calculation is flawed.

 

[Tron 2.0]

Yes, people are not buying PS3 because of Kevin Butler ads...

Well it certainly doesn't appear to be helping them sell more consoles...which is the whole point of an ad campaign.

Although I guess you could argue that the sales would be worse if there was no Kevin Butler?