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[Derpyduck]

Ok little warrior.

You're calling him a console warrior because he said something true? Perhaps you should look in the mirror if what he said upset you that much.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

So are there any concrete numbers? Has the PS4 lead officially eroded completely?

Definitely not. I don't know the numbers personally, but I'm guessing it's still around 450-500k ahead in NA

 

[Miles X]

I've been looking for information on this. Evidence?

2nd grade math? lol

Lead was 700k~ end of Nov, gap was 200k (apparantly) this month, thus around 500k~

 

[Aquamarine]

On software sales? I've been saying it every month since launch month xbox always had higher attach rates. Clearly it was going to sell more as hardware sales increased

very true.

i've frequently posted tie ratio comparisons throughout the months.

ps4 may have a larger digital presence, but people have underestimated the xb1 at retail software.

 

[RBK]

Time to save all these Bloodborne post....

No shame in being wrong.

Just need more reasoning to why these games will be such huge sellers.

 

[vinnygambini]

John Harker has arrived

 

[thuway]

2nd grade math? lol

Lead was 700k~ end of Nov, gap was 200k (apparantly) this month, thus around 500k~

Where is the 200k number coming from?

 

[AstroNut325]

It's still around 500k - 550k ahead.

And that will vanish quite quickly due to the lower price. US customers only go by price.

 

[On Demand]

Yeah that surprised me too. For them to have more software on the Xbox One sold in December versus the PS4 is actually pretty shocking given the lead PS4 has in the install base. I am sure MS is loving this because a lot of money is made off of the royalty fees that the hardware manufactures get from the software companies. For MS to take this in December is impressive.

Nah. XB1 sold more hardware over the holidays so naturally more people will be buying software. Plus PS4 sold more overall.

You guys are looking into this too much.

 

[Superman00]

Yeah that surprised me too. For them to have more software on the Xbox One sold in December versus the PS4 is actually pretty shocking given the lead PS4 has in the install base. I am sure MS is loving this because a lot of money is made off of the royalty fees that the hardware manufactures get from the software companies. For MS to take this in December is impressive.

People should really look at the second chart. The yearly charts show software is selling better with the higher install base. The only one selling better on XB1 is COD, Destiny(doesn't count bundle, so not surprising), and Minecraft. GTA5 still sold better on the PS4 without counting the bundle.

So with about 1.2M for XB1 in December, total should be:

4.9 + 1.2 =~ 6.1-6.2M for XB1, given that there were crazy deals going on in the US.
WW numbers would be at 10.5M(high end) for XB1.
So WW, PS4 would be at least around 8M ahead of XB1.
18.5M(PS4 actual) - 10.5M(XB1 high end estimate) = 8M.
So by the end of this year, chances the gap is gonna be 14M easily.

 

[The Last One]

Are you talking about PS4 sku only or overall?

I don't think the One sku will make much difference anyway.

 

[Duxxy3]

There goes Sony's lead in the US. I hope Sony becomes more aggressive in the USA.

TLoU bundle was about as much as I expected from them. Sitting on a big WW lead no matter what happens in the states.

 

[Dragonborn]

And that will vanish quite quickly due to the lower price. US customers only go by price.

Nah, even at 350 I don't see the x1 outselling the PS4 by much of at all

You're overestimating it's appeal

Who knows though

 

[Chobel]

Are you talking about PS4 sku only or overall?

Overall, I don't think a remaster is going to beat a new game. And FF-0 will sell badly in XB1 anyway, so I may as well be talking about PS4 sku only.

 

[Regret Upon Approval]

It's not really a multi-million seller as far as I'm aware.

It does about a million or so shipped units. With NPD first months of around 350K.

DS1 was multimillion apparently WW.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-04-12-dark-souls-worldwide-sales-total-2-3-million

And DS2 started with strong sales
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2014/05/08/dark-souls-ii-sells-1-2m-units-in-three-weeks/

EDIT:
I see your edit now.

 

[Hidden One]

5 shooters in the top 10 for the year.

Le sigh.

Also, LOL at people doubting Bloodborne. That is going to be this year's surprise hit.

Hardline will eat in March. New FPS thirst in march plus the marketing will bring in the casuals.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

very true.

i've frequently posted tie ratio comparisons throughout the months.

ps4 may have a larger digital presence, but people have underestimated the xb1 at retail software.

But doesn't PS4 have more F2P games?

 

[Mory Dunz]

Sorry it's struggle to hit 3M in the US. Wind Waker was in the 2-3M range at least in the US.

Oh.

Wait what? Wind Waker did that in the US? How much did it do WW then? I know someone had Zelda charts...

 

[allan-bh]

I don't think the One sku will make much difference anyway.

Can't see a new IP (even being Souls derivated) outselling Type 0 on two systems.

 

[Derpyduck]

And that will vanish quite quickly due to the lower price. US customers only go by price.

That explains why Apple products fail so miserably in the US.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

I've been looking for information on this. Evidence?

Well there is a very unreliable and totally pointless site that posts sales. BUT, they do get Japan and the US correct after NPD and Media Create post their numbers. I've reduced the number they have slightly because they haven't adjusted for this months NPD! I've seen it posted elsewhere too but I can't find it and that number was 700k a few weeks ago. So putting the two together I'm guessing 500k, possibly 550k

 

[Percy]

Final Fantasy vs a Souls-esque game?

I'd bet for FF.

Before you do, you should check out how the big FF spin off game that released last year around that time frame did

 

[Jawbreaker]

I'd be willing to say 550k for The Order and perhaps 300k for Bloodborne. Just my gut feeling on the matter.

Console sales appear to line up with what I expected for the month. Attach rate on most of the major multis favoring the Xbone for December doesn't surprise me given that November + December saw about 500-600k new Xbone users over the PS4. It's pretty normal for brand new console owners to pick up a game or two with their new purchase (day of purchase or a couple of weeks later), especially during the holidays with all the discounts across major outlets. The cheaper price point on the Xbone also gave people more breathing room to spend on an extra game I imagine, though that's just conjecture on my part.

Always nice to hear about the Wii U breaking its own sales milestones, though of course, it could be selling much better in a world where a great, varied line-up of exclusive titles was the sole driving factor.

 

[Kusagari]

Overall, I don't think a remaster is going to beat a new game. And FF-0 will sell badly in XB1 anyway.

I think passing off a game never released in America as just a remaster isn't wise.

 

[allan-bh]

Overall, I don't think a remaster is going to beat a new game. And FF-0 will sell badly in XB1 anyway.

Type 0 is a new game for US market. And there is FF XV demo.

 

[benji232]

On software sales? I've been saying it every month since launch month xbox always had higher attach rates. Clearly it was going to sell more as hardware sales increased

Would you be kind enough to give us a ballpark of how much the 3ds sold please? I'm very curious how it performed given new 3DS.

 

[spatenfloot]

Slow thread.

Next month will be interesting...

 

[Aquamarine]

Well there is a very unreliable and totally pointless site that posts sales. BUT, they do get Japan and the US correct after NPD and Media Create post their numbers. I've reduced the number they have slightly because they haven't adjusted for this months NPD!

not in many cases

 

[John Harker]

John Harker has arrived

Oh I doubt I'm sticking around much the first couple days, I tend to get too much mud in my hair in the crossfire

 

[Miles X]

Well there is a very unreliable and totally pointless site that posts sales. BUT, they do get Japan and the US correct after NPD and Media Create post their numbers. I've reduced the number they have slightly because they haven't adjusted for this months NPD! I've seen it posted elsewhere too but I can't find it and that number was 700k a few weeks ago. So putting the two together I'm guessing 500k, possibly 550k

Then why are you posting it, you know it's against the rules. SMH.

 

[arevin01]

I think Jan NPD will be more telling if XB1 can maintain the lead on a monthly basis. If so, PS4 will be in 2nd place for good unless they drop the price.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

On software sales? I've been saying it every month since launch month xbox always had higher attach rates. Clearly it was going to sell more as hardware sales increased

I expected it with COD but Lordy GTA was marketed mostly on PS4

 

[GribbleGrunger]

not in many cases

Yes, that is true. That's why I guestimated myself and reduced the number they have. It's just 'around about if we feel like adjusting' number lol.

edit: Was it you that actually posted the real number on here last month? I've been looking for it and can't find it.

 

[Derpyduck]

I think Jan NPD will be more telling if XB1 can maintain the lead on a monthly basis. If so, PS4 will be in 2nd place for good unless they drop the price.

I think Sony can kiss their 100k monthly wins goodbye, but I don't think Xbox One will ever outsell the PS4 again without the benefit of the holiday season combined with insane promos.

 

[SteveO409]

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/ps4-best-selling-console-in-us-and-worldwide-for-2/1100-6424682/

The PlayStation 4 was the most sold console of 2014 in the US and globally, Sony told GameSpot in a statement today. The PS4 is the fastest-selling console in PlayStation history, selling 18.5 million units in the 14 months since its launch.

 

[thuway]

I expected it with COD but Lordy GTA was marketed mostly on PS4

Wasn't there a 50 dollar gift card promotion with the Xbox One? I know a lot of people who picked up GTA with it.

 

[spatenfloot]

Hardline will eat in March. New FPS thirst in march plus the marketing will bring in the casuals.

I think a lot of people learned not to buy a Battlefield game in the first year after BF4.

 

[allan-bh]

I want cream... and sugar.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

Then why are you posting it, you know it's against the rules. SMH.

Because I couldn't find the post (I think it was actually on here). I do recall that site being more or less the same so I drew the number from there. I'm still looking for the post on here but it's hellish to find, and I can't even remember whether it was in an NPD thread!

 

[PhatSaqs]

I think Jan NPD will be more telling if XB1 can maintain the lead on a monthly basis. If so, PS4 will be in 2nd place for good unless they drop the price.

Not really. MS tied one arm behind their back for the month already. They untie it starting tomorrow.

 

[Trigonometrize.]

The NPD Top 10 is just about the most boring thing since Watch Dogs.

 

[Jawbreaker]

I expected it with COD but Lordy GTA was marketed mostly on PS4

Wouldn't that be the expected end result given that GTA was bundled with the PS4 and NPD doesn't track those sales? Or am I missing something?

 

[De_Legend]

You're calling him a console warrior because he said something true? Perhaps you should look in the mirror if what he said upset you that much.

I am very upset, random guy, very.

 

[Loakum]

It's on one system instead of 2 and it's a new IP.

Do I think it's possible that it goes over 3m? I'm not sure. I think the market for the game is that large, I just don't know if the entire market has a PS4.

You know The Last of Us was a new ip. I know a lot of Uncharted fans purchased that game. The same can be said for souls fans (with the upcoming Bloodborne). I believe it will sale 3 to 4 million in 2015.

 

[Derpyduck]

I think a lot of people learned not to buy a Battlefield game in the first year after BF4.

That's a nice thought. Wrong. But nice.

I am very upset, random guy, very.

That was obvious.

 

[allan-bh]

I think a lot of people learned not to buy a Battlefield game in the first year after BF4.

Still is a huge franchise and will be launch on 4 consoles.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

I think Jan NPD will be more telling if XB1 can maintain the lead on a monthly basis. If so, PS4 will be in 2nd place for good unless they drop the price.

It's not always about price.

Also PS4's getting TLOU in bundled permanently according to talk in that other thread.

 

[Officerrob]

Ok little warrior.

For one second, do you honestly believe Bloodborne will outsell Battlefield? Seriously? Stating something that anyone with a brain knows will happen doesn't make me a console warrior, so go peddle that garbage elsewhere

 

[Hero]

On software sales? I've been saying it every month since launch month xbox always had higher attach rates. Clearly it was going to sell more as hardware sales increased

John we've been over this several times, the majority of people on here don't read your posts.

 

[MrCookiepants]

I expected it with COD but Lordy GTA was marketed mostly on PS4

GTA PS4 bundles don't count in the software charts.