NPD Sales Results for January 2009
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Eteric Rice
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Flying_Phoenix said:And I stated the contrary when exactly?
...okay maybe not "outstanding" but these games are pretty fun.
I'm just going to assume that you couldn't find a picture of the Tank game.
Jtyettis said:
What?
JoshuaJSlone said:
I think that avatar is much easier to read.
freddy said:
Agreed.
freddy said:
"Disappointing" is probably a more apt term.
Stumpokapow said:
And that would be a good reason why it's more apt.
Fuzzy said:
Yeah, and I wouldn't get too caught up in exactly what those numbers are either. It's safe to say that the PS360 and Wii worldwide totals are really close to each other and that the Wii will probably pass up the PS360 total sometime in the next 6 months. However just because the graph shows that the totals have crossed (and I'll point it out with the Ghostbusters picture when it does
), it doesn't mean that it actually happened that month. It could've already happened in an earlier month or it could be a few months later still.Wii is ahead of PS360 when looking at just the U.S. (NPD) + Japan (MC), though.
Tobor said:
Perfect response. :lol
Eteric Rice said:
Or the pool game. Or the Find a Mii game when you've made a lot of family member Miis and you're playing with family.
I'm assuming he was comparing creamsugar's real numbers with the estimating you do.donny2112 said:
That's why I was sure to include the word estimated, twice.donny2112 said:Yeah, and I wouldn't get too caught up in exactly what those numbers are either. It's safe to say that the PS360 and Wii worldwide totals are really close to each other and that the Wii will probably pass up the PS360 total sometime in the next 6 months. However just because the graph shows that the totals have crossed (and I'll point it out with the Ghostbusters picture when it does
Wii is ahead of PS360 when looking at just the U.S. (NPD) + Japan (MC), though.
Making casual games isn't easy, even for AAA teams. It's a completely different standpoint / mindset, and all the expertise and skill of said AAA team developers are likely focused on 'next-gen' and 'core' game development. Casual development requires a whole different way of thinking and developing.
And that is just about "casual" game development. Just think how incredibly hard it must be to make a game that EVERYONE, every target group, in every region in the world can play and have a fun time doing so. A game with truly universal appeal. Nintendo is making such games for everyone, not just casuals.
Also keep in mind that first party software sells the system it's on, not the other way around (so the Wii games (from Nintendo) made the Wii succesfull, not that the Wii made Nintendo's Wii games succesfull). The hardware is just a way of playing the game. The software is made for the system, but in Wii's case the system is made for creating unique games. Neither Microsoft or Sony can replicate this; they lack the hardware- en software development teams / experience / mindset to do so. Their hardware is made for 3rd party developers and the games they want to produce. Nintendo makes hardware for Nintendo and Nintendo games. Nintendo is by far the biggest and most succesfull gamedeveloper for a reason, you can see it every generation. Even at their worst they still sell insane amounts of software. So imo, it is very unlikely that someone can simply reproduce anything about the DS and Wii and be wildly succesfull by doing so. Hell, not even Rare could do a good job (imo) of copying Nintendo's Mii's.
So far this generation, only one publisher has had 1 game that truly resembles Nintendo's efforts with these universal / casual games. Ironically, it's Sega with Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games; a game that is co-developed with Nintendo. Although it has to be said that Guitar Hero comes close
And that is just about "casual" game development. Just think how incredibly hard it must be to make a game that EVERYONE, every target group, in every region in the world can play and have a fun time doing so. A game with truly universal appeal. Nintendo is making such games for everyone, not just casuals.
Also keep in mind that first party software sells the system it's on, not the other way around (so the Wii games (from Nintendo) made the Wii succesfull, not that the Wii made Nintendo's Wii games succesfull). The hardware is just a way of playing the game. The software is made for the system, but in Wii's case the system is made for creating unique games. Neither Microsoft or Sony can replicate this; they lack the hardware- en software development teams / experience / mindset to do so. Their hardware is made for 3rd party developers and the games they want to produce. Nintendo makes hardware for Nintendo and Nintendo games. Nintendo is by far the biggest and most succesfull gamedeveloper for a reason, you can see it every generation. Even at their worst they still sell insane amounts of software. So imo, it is very unlikely that someone can simply reproduce anything about the DS and Wii and be wildly succesfull by doing so. Hell, not even Rare could do a good job (imo) of copying Nintendo's Mii's.
So far this generation, only one publisher has had 1 game that truly resembles Nintendo's efforts with these universal / casual games. Ironically, it's Sega with Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games; a game that is co-developed with Nintendo. Although it has to be said that Guitar Hero comes close
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Pureauthor
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I dunno whether I'd love or hate to be on Sony's PR dept right now.
I guess it would depend on how seriously they're taking their own PR reports...
I guess it would depend on how seriously they're taking their own PR reports...
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Flying_Phoenix said:
Fair enough. I'm sure it's safe to say that many publishers are disappointed in their PS3 game sales, at least up to a certain point. Many games were being worked on under the assumption that the PS3 would sell like the PS2. But we're getting to the point, now, where they should know what they're getting into and whether it's worth it for them.
And there are always games, of course, (lots of them) that will never put up numbers like that, not even launching in Q4 instead of Q1. Take Valkyria Chronicles, for example. If it had sold 100k its first month, SEGA and GAF would've both declared it a holiday.
boiled goose
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DMeisterJ said:
not top 30...so prob not much
B-Rad Lascelle
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Your other choices are Guitar Hero World Tour on PS2 and Midnight Club LA Remix on PSP.Arde5643 said:
Yeah, my money's on Skate 2 PS3 as well.
grandjedi6
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Alot of things sell less than Wii Fit does in a monthbilly.sea said:
mr_bishiuk
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grandjedi6 said:
Not top tier, well hyped exclusives though
I think the first prerequisite of a succesfull casual games (as most people call is) is it being a completly new experience. If you creeate new experiences, you can keep surprising people without making the experience too deep or complex. Thats why Wiisports is called casual. The experience of swinging a tennis racket is enough to entertain people because its a new experience. A possible sequal to Wii Tennis would never get away with a graphical update. They would have to add complexity to make it fresh.
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Arde5643 said:
Nobody replaces Raul Julia.
Captain Smoker
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Next generation numbers:
NDS - 28.050.000
WII - 18.220.000
NDS - 28.050.000
WII - 18.220.000
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:lol
shykyoichi
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Pureauthor said:
Is it just me or do Sony's NPD responses sound freakishly similar to each other?
Segata Sanshiro
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When the situation is similar from month-to-month, there's only so much variety that is going to come about in these statements.shykyoichi said:
:lol Nothing from NPD January at all. Just basicly "wait for" across the board, coupled with meaningless stuff like that they are the only company to offer three viable platforms. Well I guess "viable" is up for discussion.. software sales for all 3 aren't exactly stellar these days (even in a December month). Kinda sad actually, hopefully the much anticipated and platform-moving title Killzone 2 will sell a lot, which I think it will with frontloaded sales.Peter Dille said:
Segata Sanshiro
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Now do that for all the rest of the games and you too can be as successful as you-know-who.Kenka said:
That said the production hasn't really moved much anywhere. Obviously 'some' of it is gone alltogetherGaborn said:
, but for most part the difference looks like supporting Wii on level with the rest of platforms (which should have happened from begining, in hindsight).I suspect Gaf would say they should just shift leading all projects to the Wii, but to cover the costs for THAT in 2009 they'd need to start posting Nintendo-like software sales on Wii.
Belgorim said:
PS3 games are barely selling, so I imagine PS2 games are not selling well at all, aside from maybe a few like Madden, Rock Band, and Guitar Hero. I think Sony needs to just kill off the PS2 in the developed world, perhaps whenever they next drop the price of the PS3, because the PS2 can only be harming PS3 sales.
Fafalada said:That said the production hasn't really moved much anywhere. Obviously 'some' of it is gone alltogether
I suspect Gaf would say they should just shift leading all projects to the Wii, but to cover the costs for THAT in 2009 they'd need to start posting Nintendo-like software sales on Wii.
Yeah, I mean obviously you can never put all your games on one system particularly when you're as HUGE as EA is, at some point you'd only be competing with yourself anyway, and you're right, you also can't just instantly transition everything over all at once. Still, I'd say moving the plurality of their higher profile projects to the Wii makes a lot of sense right now.
xbhaskarx said:
I say they should milk the PS2 as long as they can. They can drop it another $30, increase sales, and make a profit off the machine. Everything between now and next gen has to be about making a profit and getting in the best position possible to take the living room away from Microsoft and Nintendo.
lowrider007
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Belgorim said:
Considering that there is only 7m PS3's in NA is it any wonder why there aren't many games appearing in the top 20 ?
You guys are expecting the PS3 to compete in software sales with consoles that have over double the user-base, software sales are not a problem for Sony atm, selling more consoles in NA is, the charts would be a different story right now if there was 14m PS3 in NA.
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lowrider007 said:
Uh, I think there is only 1 poster in here who is expecting that, hence the direction the thread has taken.
xbhaskarx said:
No, no no no no that is the LAST thing Sony should do.
The PS2 is the only Sony console Sony has left that is siphoning sales from the Wii and 360, cutting it off would be catastrophic.
AzureNightmare
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Its not nice to mislead people who aren't in the know with vague statements Anihawk. tsk tsk.
Segata Sanshiro
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That certainly made everyone feel better about bad software sales on the Dreamcast and Saturn. Yessir, the companies just looked at their software sales and said "Well hey chaps, proportionately speaking, that's quite excellent! Let's sink more money on this badboy!"lowrider007 said:
AzureNightmare
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:lol well saidSegata Sanshiro said:
Paracelsus
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Segata Sanshiro said:
Since when PS3 software is exclusive to the United States?