CreatureX3
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Aren't you paying attention to the low console sales every month from the "HD" systems? Without the Wii, the industry would be right in the middle of the "HD gaming crash".Subarushian said:
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NPD Sales Results for June 2007
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TheGreatDave
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Norse said:
I don't know if it would be...hating life (...) or not, but the fact is 360 and PS3 are both failing in Japan, PS3 is failing in the US and the 360 is pretty much failing in Europe. That's not the kind of scenario that should be happening with nearly launched consoles.
Willy Wanka
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So third-party sales were poor in the NES, SNES days? I must have missed the memo. Some mold.Rhindle said:
Third-party sales hit rock bottom on the Gamecube.
Once again, revisionist history, and lies.
Now, if your talking about third-party relations with Nintendo, that would be a different story.
Father_Brain
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Joe Molotov said:
No, PS3 is a threat to the well-being of publishers that put all their eggs in the PS3 basket.
Deadly Monk
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Branduil said:
I love this show.
Poor PS3....
Well, once 360s price cut comes, this will be fine and dandy. September 25th would be a great day for a price cut, wouldnt you say Microsoft?
PepsimanVsJoe
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Willy Wanka said:
That is amazing! :lol
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sebthelobster
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Snaku said:
awww I wonder what he would have said to the press if he is still at the throne :lol
AdmiralViscen
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Jiggy37 said:
You don't know.
Rhindle said:
erm
First off, good games sell on consoles. Period. There's no magical aura that surrounds consoles with "Nintendo" badging that prevents games from certain publishers from selling. What prevented games from selling on N64/Cube were 1. limited demographic and 2. poor efforts by third parties. Wii is obviously expanding Nintendo's demographic at this point, and there are already a handful of solid performing third party games (even with none of them being hugely invested). These include:
Sonic
Madden
Red Steel
Rayman
Tiger Woods
Call of Duty 3
Resident Evil 4
Super Monkey Ball
Trauma Center
That's 6 different happy publishers. EA, Ubisoft, Activision, Sega, Capcom, Atlus. Not a bad roundup.
The only exclusive third party bomb on Wii is Elebits.
The fact is that GOOD GAMES TEND TO SELL. Even GameCube had its hits when it was selling only to cheapo gamers and Nintendophiles. Wii is expanding far beyond GameCube's scope in userbase, and there is no significant bomb in Wii's lineup to merit this constant "gee will people buy a good game" bullshit.
The average person doesn't know what a 'publisher' is. They buy what looks interesting and is well-marketed. Wii is bound to receive more of these games than Cube or N64 did from third parties, and they will sell.
As far as 360/PS3. 360 is only making money for publishers in the US, and sometimes in Europe. PS3 isn't making much money for third parties ANYWHERE. In a market where the minimum cost of entry is a $400 console that's bombing in one territory and doing just ok in another, PUBLISHERS ARE ****ED. The market would see a massive contraction.
Rancid Mildew
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Rhindle said:
Well, why does that mean that third parties would want Nintendo to disappear?
Either way, I don't see why putting a title on the Wii would be risky. Rayman and Red Steel have probably breached the million mark by now. DQS will probably join their ranks in Japanese sales alone. The DS is proving that there is plenty of room for third parties to excel in sales on a Nintendo system with lots of Nintendo releases. Sales of third parties on previous consoles have not been bad either. The last big third party release was RE4 on the GCN and despite having a userbase dwarved dramatically by the PS2, the game still sold nearly as well even after the announcement of the PS2 port crippled sales.
If I were a big third party, I'd jump on the chance to bring a well advertised, high budget game to a Nintendo console. It's clear that the market potential is there and that it has always been untapped and unexplored.
Souldriver
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Holy shit Willy Wanka :lol :lol :lolWilly Wanka said:
PkunkFury
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AdmiralViscen said:
Is this really a bomb? It wasn't marketed and it was made in like a year by a small team. Konami can't have expected much. The team also went on to make a second Wii game... From what I recall, the sales are low, but for a niche game they are respectable.
Maybe I'm wrong though, which would suck because I love Elebits
and this is the point no one on GAF seems to understand. People don't know or care who published their games. They know what they learn from marketing, and 3rd parties have rarely marketed anything for a Nintendo platform in the last 10 years. The 3rd party on nintendo issue stems from the fact that 3rd parties are exceedingly bad at marketing, and Nintendo is exceedingly good at marketing
speculawyer
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Rhindle said:
They've both gone ahead and taken the risk. TTWO has a pile of Wii titles announced: Fantastic Four, The Bigs, Manhunt 2, Carnival games, Sid Meier's Civilization Revolution, Bully, and Rockstar Table Tennis. Since several of those involve porting important engines that they use, I would assume we will see lots more in the months to come.
AdmiralViscen
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PkunkFury said:
I dunno if it's really a bomb or not. Feel free to prove me wrong, it's not like Elebits is a prime example for Wii haters to hang on to.
Also, Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam didn't do so hot AFAIK.
Rancid Mildew
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Norse said:
I'm pretty sure a significant amount of casuals are buying MP8. MP8 and the Wii are selling at a much faster rate than previous Mario Parties and the GCN. Is there a particular reason why you feel Nintendo fans are more rabid this time around?
RE4's sales on the Wii are surprising in a good way. It's definitive proof that third parties can and will sell on the console. A game selling in the top 10 after its fourth iteration is nothing short of amazing.
Wyndstryker
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Willy Wanka said:
This deserves a medal
AdmiralViscen
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Sharp said:
Wow, over 100k? I did not know that. Last I remember was it opening at 10k or something in Japan, and not charting in the US.
Good for it, I bought it.
miguel_c_hammer
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PSP is baffling. Fantastic hardware numbers, but not a single game in the top 20.
And on the flipside, focused small scale publishers like Atlus or MMV may not see much potential in the "risk" of high end HD console or PS2 level handheld R&D. That may work out fine for the fat cats, but there's a wealth of publishers who seem to prefer the design ideologies of Nintendo hardware...Rhindle said:
WasteLand Soldier
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holy crap i'm in tears :lol :lol :lol :lolWilly Wanka said:
AdmiralViscen
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Rhindle said:
This is funny, because EA and T2 have more titles on Wii than most any third party.
Maybe simply they can't and have never been prepared to support 2 consoles aiming 2 different markets at the same time. Nintrendo is doing this for more than 15 years and has a great 1st party support, while Sony has just finished restructurating and building their Sony Worldwide studios.Mithos Yggdrasill said:
Add to that that it's their first experience in the hand held market, and they pretty f'up with their "PS2 in your hands" strategy.
TheGreatDave
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Pachael said:
If you ignore Gamecube, PS2 and Xbox, Dreamcast is actually still the market leader too.