Warm Machine
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Zizbuka said:
Isn't npd calculated by upc scans at a register of a store during a sale? If so MS couldn't count a replacement console as a sold one.
NPD Sales Results For June 2010
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Isn't npd calculated by upc scans at a register of a store during a sale? If so MS couldn't count a replacement console as a sold one.
Rhazer Fusion
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Mrbob said:
Well, isn't the PSP anywhere from $200 to $250 now??? I feel that is overpriced for what you are getting. IMO, PSP should be $100-$150 by now considering the 6 year old hardware is antiquated.
OldJadedGamer
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Vizion28 said:
The cheapest price of a 360 currently in production is $299. The cheapest price on a discontinued model waiting to clear stock is $150. The cheaper Arcade S unit has yet to be announced and released.
Manmademan
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Mrbob said:
this late in the game no one in their right mind is in the market for a new PSP. the hardware is pretty old, far too expensive for what it does, and a new model out in a year or so is the worst kept secret in videogames.
casual gamers will just get a DS, hardcore gamers will just wait for the next revision.
Jtyettis said:
Yeah I would have bought it too but I don't own a PSP either. I think Jeff said it on the weekend confirmed podcast about too many platforms...I agree. I have a PC, PS3, 360, DS, Itouch..I really don't need another platform to play games on. Sony might be able to entice me with a new system, but at this point the PSP is way overdue for a price drop and I'm sick of playing the waiting game with them on it. Hopefully the PSP2 plays PSP games then I can check out Peace Walker.
I don't think it is port begging to state if Konami put out a quick and dirty hd port on PSN of Peace Walker a ton of people would pick it up.
Son of Godzilla
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You sound like Jyettis trying to make a point by encouraging someone to quote you.2 Minutes Turkish said:
August 2009 NPD said:
September 2009 NPD said:
And it's not tit for tat either, the 360 had already eclipsed any momentum the slim/drop gave the PS3 last month through normal sellation.
Stumpokapow
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Zizbuka said:
This really isn't necessary. No one spazzed, they just pointed out that your post was the kind of post that historically distracted from conversation and was viewed as trolling. I explained to you why. No harm, no foul, but now you know.
You're talking about something different now.
MS releases figures that are based on sales to retailers. We call these figures shipments. These figures do not include replacement consoles. They only include the crates shipped to retailers.
NPD releases figures that are based on sales to customers. If someone buys a second 360, a slim, or their 360 dies and they buy a new one instead of getting it repaired, it will show up here. Like I told you before, based on the the tie ratios available, any claim that MS is being disproportionately represented by "double purchases" would result in you also claiming that the 360's software sales are OMG AMAZING UNBELIEVABLE PUT IT IN THE RECORD BOOKS. It's a bit absurd that a console with supposedly poor sales would have such passionate owners (not to mention passionate enough to rebuy at a rate higher than other console owners), so like with the PS3 and the DS, we accept that rebuyers are a part of the process and we don't use it as ammunition to ignore or spin the sales figures.
The 360 had an incredibly poor first year. When the Wii launch, it had a 6-ish million unit lead. It now has an 8 million unit lead over the PS3, meaning that the PS3 has not closed the gap whatsoever. On the other hand, compared to the Wii, obviously it is getting spanked.
The GameCube stopped around 12 million, and the OG Xbox around 15 million. Both the 360 and the PS3 still have at least 2 years left in them, so both are well ahead of the consoles whose places they hold from last generation.
http://sanfrancisco.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/stories/2010/07/12/daily71.html
I guess 170,000 (530,000 last year)
I guess 170,000 (530,000 last year)
Stumpokapow
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Flying_Phoenix said:
Very difficult to say, given that we don't even get a top 10 anymore, let alone any kind of comprehensive annual figures which would allow for legitimate calculations.
viciouskillersquirrel
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You're just digging yourself deeper here, mate.Zizbuka said:Sorry, didn't mean to get everyone's panties in a bunch. It was a serious question. Of course, I don't keep up with memes and the gaf elites.
I thought it was confirmed that MS counted replacements in hardware numbers, kinda like the 'shipped' versus 'sold' numbers.
And I just though a console that's been out for a long time, which had no competition the first year, and people associate high profile games (MW2, Halo, etc.) with would have sold better.
Now relax gaf.
Anyway, the 360's non-PS2 level numbers can be attributed to the Wii. Contrary to popular belief, most of the people who own Wii consoles this gen also owned a PS2 last gen (I remember a survey coming out a year or two ago where the number was about 70%). Since these people already bought a Wii, they won't buy 360s (multi-console ownership is a tiny minority).
Basically, you can't get PS2-level numbers without getting the PS2 "casuals". The market just isn't that big yet.
Teriyaki said:
Yeah, if Ubisoft liked money they would go all out with bundling the sequel with a motion tech cam. The cam wouldn't have to be as high tech Kinect to keep the cost low. I can see Just Dance 2 selling even more than the original if they did that.
But we all know how lazy 3rd parties on Wii are. Expect part 2 to be the same thing but with more modes and songs. Nothing significant to compel owners of the 1st one to buy the 2nd.
timetokill
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A lot of Wii titles in the Top 10.
We hear a lot about how the Wii sells tons of software, though we only see a few instances in the Top 10, usually because of the heavy hitter games dominating the charts.
Since the bar was so low to get into the Top 10 this month, are we seeing perhaps more "normal" sales for Wii titles, where some games (like the LEGO games) are selling in the 80k-100k region for many months?
We hear a lot about how the Wii sells tons of software, though we only see a few instances in the Top 10, usually because of the heavy hitter games dominating the charts.
Since the bar was so low to get into the Top 10 this month, are we seeing perhaps more "normal" sales for Wii titles, where some games (like the LEGO games) are selling in the 80k-100k region for many months?
KittyKittyBangBang
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good to see toy story and lego harry potter up there and holy crap at 360 number
Stumpokapow
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Rainier said:
Like, relative to first month, or overall?
Overall, tons. Following figures are 360/PS3, in millions: GTA4 did 1.85/1.00 month 1, 0.87/0.44 month 2. CoD4 did 1.57/0.44 month 1, 1.47/~0.50 month 2. WaW did 1.41/0.59 month 1, 1.33/0.53 month 2. MW2 4.20/1.87 month 1, 1.63/1.12 month 2. All the CoD games were November releases though, so the huge month 2s were buoying by Christmas.
Relative to first month, I'm not sure we have a comprehensive list, since a game that does 200k month 1 and 150k month 2 demonstrated great hold but probably wouldn't make the top 10, so it's hard to say. MW2 is still absolutely the golden standard, though.
That being said, RDR is really phenomenal because it wasn't a remarkable franchise in terms of reviews or sales last generation--I mean, it did well in both, but not OMG AAA MUST HAVE. This generation, it's got a 95 Metacritic and spectacular sales. Excellent job by R* SD.
yellowjacket25
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MGS PW isnt too big of a surprise. There are just too many things working against it for it to chart. PSN downloads, piracy, hardware bundles, and just being on the PSP. I hope it has legs and does well in the long run. Its an amazing game.
MattyGrovesOrMe
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I'd be more concerned with how much the drop is due to franchise annualization fatigue during what is going to be a long generation.Archie said:
Not to say Tiger's sluttin' around isn't a factor, but Tiger 10 was fantastic - how many consumers need an improvement?
Blast Processing
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Peace Walker is a great game. I've been playing it every day since I bought it last week. That said, I only bought it because I am a HUGE fan of MGS, a collector, as a matter of fact, and I wanted the MGS PSP bundle in my collection. My sale, then wouldn't have been counted, but even had it been, I can't imagine there are that many more people as into the series as I am.
The PSP is just about flatlined in the US. For NA/EU, the decision to keep the game PSP exclusive was leaving money on the table. It should be a marquee PSN download, playable on PS3s.
The PSP is just about flatlined in the US. For NA/EU, the decision to keep the game PSP exclusive was leaving money on the table. It should be a marquee PSN download, playable on PS3s.
Flying_Phoenix
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Stumpokapow said:
Well the drop off from the first 3 games is pretty big. But I agree that I'm jumping the gun. Just something I'm worried about.
peacewalker is perfectly suited to handhelds. it's biggest problem was the lack of online
developers seem loathe to put online in PSP games for some reason and in those rare cases they do it's terribly implemented. if they weren't willing to put online in they should have waited for a handheld that would allow for it
developers seem loathe to put online in PSP games for some reason and in those rare cases they do it's terribly implemented. if they weren't willing to put online in they should have waited for a handheld that would allow for it
a Master Ninja said:
-Piracy on the PSP. PSP games are a sinking ship if they think they're getting good sales.
-NPD doesn't track PSN sales, which is where some Peace Walker sells happened.
But yeah, disappointing all the same. Doesn't help that Square Triangle said someone on Facebook asked which version of PW people were getting (DD/UMD) and most went with "the pirated version."
GarthVaderUK
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V_Ben said:
