Doesn't really look good for the new generation. Is PS4 still the fastest selling console ever? I'm guessing it won't be for long as we're moving past the long period of Wii launch shortages, especially when considering the situation in Japan
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NPD Sales Results for June 2014 [Up3: All Hardware (June/LTD), Top 10 Software SKUs]
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Doesn't really look good for the new generation. Is PS4 still the fastest selling console ever? I'm guessing it won't be for long as we're moving past the long period of Wii launch shortages, especially when considering the situation in Japan
This is really a good catch. I guess it is due to some casuals go to mobiles.
biglittleps
Member
we can easily say without 3rd party games from 2015, Wii U cannot compete with Xbox one. This year Wii U has big system seller games Mario kart 8 and Smash along with 18 months of game library, so its doing ok compared to Xbox one which launched just 7 months ago and has no big exclusives or big library.
SwiftDeath
Member
Well I imagine that quite a bit of Wii U's gain in Japan is offset by the UK for XB1 but then Wii U has France and to a lesser extent Germany so I'd say it's highly possible
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Basically due to mainland Europe and Japan. Everything we've seen from the Pal charts implies it's sales there are anything but pretty especially Germany where the console pretty barely even exists software wise.
In the entire top 50 this week xB1 doesn't have a single game in the charts not a single one. Not even the normal third party games will save that mess.
IncandescentPrecept
Banned
Worldwide? Really? Japan seems to have gone back to sub-10k level even with Mario Kart out. US? We'll know next month. PAL territory? No idea.
Whats unclear about my statement?
Magicpaint
Member
Just my opinion, but PS4 numbers are very solid. Everything else is ranging from mediocre to bad though so overall the numbers don't look too great which murks up the voerall picture of the industry. Let's...not even get to the dedicated handheld space which is just a bit sad.
Basically been saying this since they announced the kinectless sku.
But even then it's not really a price drop, it's another option - maybe if they dropped another $100 off it might start shifting but at this stage I think it's clear they need to do something 'big' and something now - I recall in the UK they halved the price of OXB and offered early adopters a few games...if they don't do something like this I can't see Halo saving XB this time.
lmao.....
Anyways....
What do we have now?
(estimated)
WiiU = 140k
XBone: 197k
PS4: 269k
Am I right?
Miles Quaritch
Member
Any reason in particular GTA5 is back in the top ten?
Promotions?
Promotions?
Jimmyfenix
Member
SwiftDeath
Member
All right I'm going to go to bed but it was a pretty good NPD day
Night all
Night all
Little analysis for Xbox One sales in the last three months
Xbox One April - 115,000 ---> 28,750 per week
Xbox One May - 77,000 ---> 19,250 per week
Xbox One June - 197,000 ---> 39,400 per week
Now, Kinectless SKU was announced around mid-May (May 13th), and that had a clear impact on sales for the rest of the tracked period. It shifted customers from May to June.
Given how May is usually April x 0.87-0.90, without the announcement, probably sales would have been this
Xbox One May* - 100,000 ---> 25,000 per week
And since this is the prospect of May-to-June changes
http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=121564264&postcount=2448
Let's apply a 1.4 multiplier for June sales
Xbox One June* --> 140,000 ---> 28,000 per week
Now, the difference between actual May sales and theorical May sales without the announcement can represent a good part of the amount of demand that has been shifted from May to June. In this case, 100,000 - 77,000 = 23,000
These 23,000 customers are certainly part of the June sales. So, let's try to see what happens without these shifted demand from May to June to the actual numbers
Xbox One June without shifted demand --> 174,000 --> 34,800
So, the difference between what June would have been if there were no Kinectless SKU and what June is without the shifted demand from May to June due to the early announcement is 34,000 units for the whole month, a.k.a. 4,600 units per week.
This means that the new SKU attracted 34,000 people also outside of those who where already interested in the console, but then decided to not buy it due to the new SKU being announced way earlier than what seen recently. So...opinions: are these numbers considered good or bad, overall?
Later, I could do the same for Wii U, or just seeing the June-to-July MOM changes for home consoles, so we can start having a good idea of what we could expect.
Xbox One April - 115,000 ---> 28,750 per week
Xbox One May - 77,000 ---> 19,250 per week
Xbox One June - 197,000 ---> 39,400 per week
Now, Kinectless SKU was announced around mid-May (May 13th), and that had a clear impact on sales for the rest of the tracked period. It shifted customers from May to June.
Given how May is usually April x 0.87-0.90, without the announcement, probably sales would have been this
Xbox One May* - 100,000 ---> 25,000 per week
And since this is the prospect of May-to-June changes
http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=121564264&postcount=2448
Let's apply a 1.4 multiplier for June sales
Xbox One June* --> 140,000 ---> 28,000 per week
Now, the difference between actual May sales and theorical May sales without the announcement can represent a good part of the amount of demand that has been shifted from May to June. In this case, 100,000 - 77,000 = 23,000
These 23,000 customers are certainly part of the June sales. So, let's try to see what happens without these shifted demand from May to June to the actual numbers
Xbox One June without shifted demand --> 174,000 --> 34,800
So, the difference between what June would have been if there were no Kinectless SKU and what June is without the shifted demand from May to June due to the early announcement is 34,000 units for the whole month, a.k.a. 4,600 units per week.
This means that the new SKU attracted 34,000 people also outside of those who where already interested in the console, but then decided to not buy it due to the new SKU being announced way earlier than what seen recently. So...opinions: are these numbers considered good or bad, overall?
Later, I could do the same for Wii U, or just seeing the June-to-July MOM changes for home consoles, so we can start having a good idea of what we could expect.
I guess it depends on your definition of "revitalized" and "saved," but personally I don't see MK8 doing either of those things from this month's data even with a percentage bump that big considering that the Wii U still sold sub-200k in one of its biggest months.
TMaakkonen
Member
What was Saturns LTD in USA? We need to know if Vita has passed the Saturn test.
Also, what would make good LTDs? GameCube's entire LTD of 21m is considered bad, while I have heard Xbox's 24m LTD to be not that bad. Or is this just a perspective thing that varies from gen to gen. 3DS' LTD will surely be good, but at the same time it would be low selling Nintendo handheld, making it look bad.
Yes yes it is pointless, so what <_<
Also, what would make good LTDs? GameCube's entire LTD of 21m is considered bad, while I have heard Xbox's 24m LTD to be not that bad. Or is this just a perspective thing that varies from gen to gen. 3DS' LTD will surely be good, but at the same time it would be low selling Nintendo handheld, making it look bad.
Jimmyfenix
Member
3ds is still lacking behind the gawd psp.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Thanks. Surprised to see it there, figured people would wait for the PS4/X1 version.
And yeah, damn shame about M:SS. I still haven't played more than a couple of hours, but it's a genuinely good game and it deserved to get some recognition.
Ah well, maybe it'll find a fan base if it ever hits Plus/GwG.
Lol. Eurogamer used Shu-TLOU gif:
https://twitter.com/eurogamer/status/490052039054221313
https://twitter.com/eurogamer/status/490052039054221313
Eurogamer.net said:
Jimmyfenix
Member
creamsugar
Member
TEARAWAY 67K
TW101 83K
TW101 83K
TMaakkonen
Member
Yes yes, I wasnt denying that, but in some way 3DS is selling good.
Current 3DS LTD is already way ahead of N64 for example (40+ m vs 32m). And its very possible for 3DS to reach 60m+. Isnt that good LTD?
...Is N64s LTD even bad? Heavily outsold by PS1 yes, but were they bad?
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
WiiU did a mediocre 140k in what is presumably after the release of its biggest system seller. Furthermore, my point still stands. Turnaround doesn't just mean having a hardware bump during the release of said exclusive.
Too soon for this?
Wait 1-2 months.
ToSC did really well considering its a HD remaster.
The real winner is FFX HD:
US : 276k + 50k = 326
JP : 577k iirc
US + JP = 900k+
WW its definitely over 1 million.
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
Oh welcome back! The race continues.
The fact is the Wii U sales basically hadn't moved for any of Nintendo's moves until now. A single game was never going to completely reverse the console's fortunes. See Titanfall on the XB1 as a recent example. However, it does seem like Mario Kart 8 at least temporarily has caused a significant increase in Wii U sales, and hopefully will continue to increase its overall baseline. My guess is that starting in September, Nintendo is going to try to create a consistent baseline at least by themselves with Hyrule Warriors, Bayo 2 (w/ 1), Smash, Amiibos & Captain Toad for this year. In 2015, I could actually see a decent enough release schedule coming about (X, Splatoon, Kirby, Yoshi & Zelda to name some titles, along w/ Devil's Third and perhaps Fatal Frame), hopefully resulting in a decent baseline in early 2015 (decent to me is like >100K, but we'll see). If at least the Wii U can become the de facto current gen console for Just Dance, Disney Infinity & Skylanders (aka have the most sales for those) along with other things like Lego, it at least can be a solid 2nd or third place console in the US.
101 will win the battle!!! ...if this can be called a battle.
cream, 3DS and Vita first and third party LTDs, like you did one year ago, please.
Jimmyfenix
Member
I just want w 101 to reach 101k sales
TMaakkonen
Member
Could we possible get Puppeteer LTD as well? We need to complete the Bombaforce.
Eolz
Member
:'(
At least it continues to sell...
Bruno MB
Member
Unsurprisingly, the last generation versions of Watch Dogs suffered a much softer drop than the next generation ones.
[PS4] Watch Dogs (Ubisoft) {27.05.2014} - 210,000 / 779,000 (-63%)
[360] Watch Dogs (Ubisoft) {27.05.2014} - 154,000 / 323,000 (-9%)
[XBO] Watch Dogs (Ubisoft) {27.05.2014} - 137,000 / 494,000 (-62%)
[PS3] Watch Dogs (Ubisoft) {27.05.2014} - 117,000 / 252,000 (-13%)
A week ago Ubisoft announced they had shipped 8 million units, that's some big channel stuffing. Retail sales combining Japan and US are about 2 million units. Let's say that in Europe it sold about the same as in the US, (hopefully next month we will have a real figure, don't let me down GamesMarkt) that would be around 4 million units between the 3 biggest markets. Digital sales + PC can't add too much to the final figure, so at least there must be a couple of million units sitting on retailer shelves.
Taking a look at the sales data that creamsugar has kindly shared with us I see that Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII is an even more colossal flop than we previously thought. What a total disaster! and I'm really happy about it. That's the only way for Square Enix to learn the lesson.
Dark Souls II is having a disappointing performance, it had a good launch (308,000 units sold) but it is being very front-loaded (137,000 extra units since then). I still remember about that supposedly huge marketing campaign Bandai Namco Games was going to put behind it.
[PS4] Watch Dogs (Ubisoft) {27.05.2014} - 210,000 / 779,000 (-63%)
[360] Watch Dogs (Ubisoft) {27.05.2014} - 154,000 / 323,000 (-9%)
[XBO] Watch Dogs (Ubisoft) {27.05.2014} - 137,000 / 494,000 (-62%)
[PS3] Watch Dogs (Ubisoft) {27.05.2014} - 117,000 / 252,000 (-13%)
A week ago Ubisoft announced they had shipped 8 million units, that's some big channel stuffing. Retail sales combining Japan and US are about 2 million units. Let's say that in Europe it sold about the same as in the US, (hopefully next month we will have a real figure, don't let me down GamesMarkt) that would be around 4 million units between the 3 biggest markets. Digital sales + PC can't add too much to the final figure, so at least there must be a couple of million units sitting on retailer shelves.
Taking a look at the sales data that creamsugar has kindly shared with us I see that Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII is an even more colossal flop than we previously thought. What a total disaster! and I'm really happy about it. That's the only way for Square Enix to learn the lesson.
Dark Souls II is having a disappointing performance, it had a good launch (308,000 units sold) but it is being very front-loaded (137,000 extra units since then). I still remember about that supposedly huge marketing campaign Bandai Namco Games was going to put behind it.
Yes, these are currently the numbers we gotWhat do we have now?
(estimated)
WiiU = 140k
XBone: 197k
PS4: 269k
Am I right?
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Did we get any Vita hw numbers?
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
So if I'm not mistaken, Mario Kart 8 is already the second highest selling software SKU of the year thus far, only behind Titanfall on the XB1 (actually Watch Dogs PS4 might be slightly ahead unbundled atm, but I assume that won't continue for too long).
Vita = 15K
Also Aqua, how are MK8 US sales comparing to previous entries in the series?
Cream, could we also get an LTD for Mario 3D World?
Vita = 15K
Also Aqua, how are MK8 US sales comparing to previous entries in the series?
Cream, could we also get an LTD for Mario 3D World?
15,000
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Could be worse... I guess....
Interesting, but the bottom line is - with the 'price drop' and fact some would have held off buying in May due to early announcement of that PS4 still comfortably won.
So, bad.
lmao.....
Anyways....
What do we have now?
(estimated)
WiiU = 140k
XBone: 197k
PS4: 269k
Am I right?
Xbone looks too high, what happened to double last month?
Jimmyfenix
Member
I think N64 ltd was okay. Saturn was just very poor.
Scar Mortico
Banned
Good to see the Wii U numbers went up. Hopefully Nintendo can somehow keep that momentum.
I don't actually have a Wii U yet but I plan to. I'm just waiting for the right price. Mostly between the $200-$230 range.
Anybody know a site where I could get one at that price yet? 0_0
I don't actually have a Wii U yet but I plan to. I'm just waiting for the right price. Mostly between the $200-$230 range.
Anybody know a site where I could get one at that price yet? 0_0
Delusibeta
Banned
The problem with arguing that the consoles need to compete with the mobile market is that the mobile market is really only making money from less than 1% of the userbase. There's zero guarantee that one of the console manufacturers would attract enough whales from their mobile game of choice to counter the inevitable loss of revenue from going 99% free to play games and pissing off the hardcore gamers. Besides, we've already seen what happens when you piss off the hardcore gamers in the WiiU and Xbone sales.
DaSorcerer7
Member
You can get directly from nintendo refurbished for $200.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=835862&highlight=refurbished
https://store.nintendo.com/ng3/us/po/browse/productDetailColorSizePicker.jsp?productId=prod150200
if you are interested in the refurbished one, you can do the mario kart 8 deal too, which ends at the end of this month.
And_Gignac
Member
The N64 did 20m~ LTD in the US. Barely a drop from the SNES 23-25m~. It was Japan and the lack of JRPGs that hit the N64's WW LTD harder.
Nintendo exclusives will be bigger than anything yet announced for X1 (exclusives). The bigger the worldwide gap between the ps4 and x1, the less it will matter if the x1 gets full on third party support. I can see an scenario where Nintendo outdoes Microsoft thanks to Japan, mainland Europe and the dominance of the ps4 in US/UK.
Nintendo exclusives will be bigger than anything yet announced for X1 (exclusives). The bigger the worldwide gap between the ps4 and x1, the less it will matter if the x1 gets full on third party support. I can see an scenario where Nintendo outdoes Microsoft thanks to Japan, mainland Europe and the dominance of the ps4 in US/UK.
Hmm.... I saw this post here ---> http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=121563799&postcount=2439
So it seems the numbers are right
EventHorizon
Member
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
On the subject on hardware sales, all 3 did better than expected.
Though PS4 is just on another level compared to the XB1 and WiiU.
Anyone have gaf prediction averages?
Though PS4 is just on another level compared to the XB1 and WiiU.
Anyone have gaf prediction averages?
Scar Mortico
Banned
Hmm...good to know.
Although I'm very picky when it comes to this stuff and usually always get games/consoles new. Hate getting used stuff (except cars XD).
Still, thanks for the links
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