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NPD Sales Results for March 2013 [Up5: BioShock Infinite]
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pharmboy044
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Off the top of my head I know Sonic Heroes on PS2 was garbage in comparison to the Cube and Xbox.
Different situation. A lot of Zelda fans are going to be the sort of Nintendo fans who will buy a new Nintendo console at launch, thus getting the Wii version.
There's no parallel between Resident Evil and GameCube versus PS2.
Dr. Feel Good
Banned
Because there's a huge population of consumers that would buy Lego City if the system was more compelling. Once they get the incentive to buy the system, they also pick up Lego City.
FreedomFighter
Member
I enjoyed it. It was a good game. We don't have to agree.
Our store got just 4 copies of the Wii U version in (the 3DS version seems like it had substantially more limited shipments nationwide), but I honestly don't know if there should have been more, as we haven't even sold out of the ones we got in yet.
if the system starts selling better, even double what it is now, it's a good family-friendly title that came out early in the system's lifecycle that could hit upwards of a million in sales. that's basically what happened to sonic adventure 2 battle on the gamecube.
lego city is getting the sort of attention rayman would have received, albeit on a greater scale thanks to a television campaign. 100k is actually pretty good, all things considered.
Dr. Feel Good
Banned
Sonic Heroes was an abomination on all platforms.
We're not talking about graphics. We're talking about features. Graphics people can ignore a lot of the time. Features people can't.
How can you tell someone to buy the Wii U version of Injustice when so much of the game is based about getting new costumes and no one has any idea if the Wii U version is going to get them? It has no connection to the iOS app as well. Only a hardcore fan would pick up the Wii U version, while everyone else will go with the fully featured version on the other consoles. Hell, the Wii U version doesn't even have private matches. You saying this not a problem when people are trying to choose which version to get?
Why would anyone wait 5-8 months to play a game when it's available now on other systems?
These are not excuses, but simple fact. EA royally screwed up Mass Effect on the Wii U. But you're saying that people should just ignore that and buy the game anyway?
Well lets be real here. it's a game that launched last year on three other platforms. how many sales do you think a game like that will get after that. I think it's disingenuous to try to make it like launching so much later after the other THREE versions is not an issue.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
COD Wii each sold a small portion of what the HD counterparts did on a much larger install base. Even though they were inferior versions, selling a million on one console compared to tens of millions on the HD twins is hardly some huge success. And I said "not so much" as meaning their is always an exception to the rule. Yes, Red Steel, Resident Evil 4, etc. sold well even though they were mature titles. But the large amount of successful third party titles on Wii (Just Dance, Epic Mickey, De Blob, Lego titles, Skylanders, Boom box, etc.) happened to be kid friendly.
Going froward as a third party developer, I would have to question putting anything on WiiU but titles that could resonate with kids (or everyone if that makes you feel better). Titles such as Batman, Rayman, Lego, Madden, Sonic, Fifa, Skylanders, etc. Now, once again, there can be exceptions, such as Watch Dog which has a concept that fits very well with the WiiU pad, but those will continue to be exceptions with the current WiiU userbase (IMO).
This is also true.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Well it is just an exclusive to sony hardware. I know its impossible but if there was a 360 version I bet it would sell better than the ps3 version.
When they say Live, is that just sub fees, or do they mean sub fees and download sales?
shinra-bansho
Member
Yikes at NFS Wii U.
There's also jvm's numbers.
Their methods are probably more accurate, I just went for speed and ease really (proportional area measurement.)
There's also jvm's numbers.
Can Crusher
Banned
If you follow the discussion, the problem first was release date, then install base. Now you say the problem is that it's not a Nintendo game.
And I agree, the problem is neither install base or release date, it's who buys this system. Making it a very legitimate move for EA to simply cut their losses on the Wii U because unless they are making games that are specifically aimed at that market (like the Lego game was) then it's a hard sell. The lack of Nintendo games was supposedly gonna be the big opportunity for 3rd party software to sell better.
I don't see how GOW A can be considered a success. Specially when it sold worse than Gears of War Judgement, and that one certainly doesn't look like a success story.
sports games usually don't get much recognition. i am itching for a new baseball game though. it's been five years. i should give it a shot.
prag16
Banned
It was a late full priced port going head to head with two exclusives with a hell of a lot more press and hype, on a system with a small install base. I don't even know what you're trying to argue at this point.
As for Twilight Princess, it was the headliner (barring Wii Sports) of a brand new system with all Nintendo weight behind it while the gamecube version came late in a low install base consoles life. It's not that hard to understand, so at this point I think you're just being deliberately obtuse. So I think we're done here.
Poetic.Injustice
Member
When will we get approximate Wii u sales figures?
AranhaHunter
Banned
To put it bluntly, yes.
NFS is supposed a superb port with better graphics compared to the PS3 and 360 version, IIRC they called it the definite version (I might be wrong though). If that port is not worth $60 when there are no new games coming out for WiiU, then that's a very discouraging sign.
I think a good analogy is Bioshock, Mass Effect 2, and Oblivion do on PS3. How did they sell when they originally released on PS3? Those are all year old + ports that were originally priced $60 on PS3.
I don't remember, but obviously better than 10k considering Bio2, Infinite, ME3, Skyrim, Fallout 3, NV all came out day and date with the other versions.
EDIT: Also it's not like NFS is similar to SO4 where the PS3 got an old port but everyone knew the game sucked. NFS is a great game.
bigtroyjon
Member
Already posted. ~67K
TheNatural
My Member!
Keep telling yourself that. Need for Speed doing under 10,000 last month wasn't because some nerds were sitting on the internet whining about not being able to buy a car pack for 20 bucks.
It doesn't take a genius to see for years now the difference in demographics between a Nintendo system owner versus their competition. There's a reason why games with Angry Birds, Sonic, LEGOs, Just Dance, etc are big third party sellers for Nintendo systems while Call of Duty, Assassins Creed, Need for Speed, NBA2K, etc aren't. And it doesn't have to do with meta analyzing some dumbass features the game may not have.
People are buying Wii Us, even if it's only 50k a month 50k people probably picked at least one of about 5 primary titles. As new games come out, prices decline and the library broadens sales will probably improve (or at least cumulative userbase will) and those users will likely reach into the back catalog as well. It's the general progression of consoles.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I don't expect it to appear.
I mean, if the Wii U takes the same path as 3DS and picks up steam over time it's possible, but I don't see it happening,
FreedomFighter
Member
That's exactly my point.
probably new ip and a different team within the studio will do a new number gow with a new setting or well atleast that is what i hope. i would rather they give it a rest for 3 or 4 years before the next game to get people excited again with a new setting and gameplay as well.
shinra-bansho
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Will every release that bombs get this level of rationalisation as to why it bombed?
The only situation that I can really see suddenly boosting these titles is that a price cut causes more system sales in the near term.
Same query as in the MC thread though: If the system starts selling better, presumably it will be for reasons other than Lego City, or any of the games currently out for it, so why would these software suddenly spike in sales?
The only situation that I can really see suddenly boosting these titles is that a price cut causes more system sales in the near term.
Thanks, added him in.
Edit:
On Wii U, Nintendo really jumped the shark for pricing. They'd been $200 for every launch since the NES, hit $250 with pack-in for Wii (and struck gold). Then jumped to $350 (as shown by reports, the Basic is generally passed over for purchase). It wouldn't be unreasonable, to me, to consider $350 for people coming off the Wii being a similar affect as $600 PS3 was for people coming off the PS2.
From the numbers we have now? They are definitely not bad considering how the game reviewed. The brand has some juice left. There were people predicting <300k -- so there's that.
FreedomFighter
Member
You're making way too many assumptions for me to even entertain discussing this at all.
sacrificengineer
Member
Thanks!
Ascension still holds up more-or-less alright to GOW II's numbers, given the same release date (March 12, 2013 and March 13, 2007) and considering installbase and mainline/spin-off factors.
It's not a flop I somehow thought it would be. It did ok, I think.
creamsugar
Member
MH3U:
3DS: 3/5
Wii U: 2/5
Wii U ver is 13th of all Wii U SW LTD.
3DS: 3/5
Wii U: 2/5
Wii U ver is 13th of all Wii U SW LTD.
BladeoftheImmortal
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Vita has higher chances of garnering third party Japanese support than Wii u does.most 3rd party support will go to PS3 exclusively in Japan.
Yeah. It did fine, but word of mouth won't be strong, whereas it has been for GoW games in the past.
shinra-bansho
Member
The simple reality is that the addressable audience for a game like NFS is already on the PC, PS3 and 360.
The Wii U doesn't expand that addressable audience significantly, whether it's a late port or day-and-date this will likely be the case.
And that's why publishers aren't bothering to put their titles on the system.
The Wii U doesn't expand that addressable audience significantly, whether it's a late port or day-and-date this will likely be the case.
And that's why publishers aren't bothering to put their titles on the system.
Except it won't. And certainly not enough to justify the opportunity cost. So EA won't bother.
Ha, I got laughed at when I said the 3DS version would outsell the WiiU one.
When EA gives the system an on-time, fully feature-packed, not gimped version of a title, then there's no reason it shouldn't do okay.
What we've seen from EA is barely an effort. Thanks for making a port that doesn't actually suck, Criterion, it's a shame that EA is tied to your ankle.
@Shinra
The game's been released a while ago, and the PS360 versions can be found for way less than the $60 EA was asking for for the retail version. Why the hell would this have any reason to do any better when the majority of Wii U owners likely own a PS360?
Mass Effect 3 on Wii u shows just how little faith EA has.
"Here's a $60 port of a months old game you've likely played already, with no DLC"
"Oh, by the way, we've got a trilogy set coming out in a few weeks that ain't on the Wii U"
"WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT DIDN'T SELL?"
What we've seen from EA is barely an effort. Thanks for making a port that doesn't actually suck, Criterion, it's a shame that EA is tied to your ankle.
@Shinra
The game's been released a while ago, and the PS360 versions can be found for way less than the $60 EA was asking for for the retail version. Why the hell would this have any reason to do any better when the majority of Wii U owners likely own a PS360?
Mass Effect 3 on Wii u shows just how little faith EA has.
"Here's a $60 port of a months old game you've likely played already, with no DLC"
"Oh, by the way, we've got a trilogy set coming out in a few weeks that ain't on the Wii U"
"WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT DIDN'T SELL?"
from what creamsugar posted it seems gow a sold more than judgement when adding the hardware bundles but it doesn't matter anyways because the difference seems to be around 10k. anyways it can be a success because it was purely a cash in at the end of a generation and it wasn't even a numbered sequel and a lot of assets were probably reused from the previous game with just the multiplayer tacked on for testing the waters. with so many games releasing this month those are actually pretty good numbers and I highly doubt Sony expected it to sell more than gow3 considering the above.
yea i am surprised by the numbers. from the way the game reviewed and the general lack of enthusiasm i was expecting it to be less than 500k but yea i bought it anyways and it was pretty good just that since it was a prequel i had less enjoyment than the previous games.
El Pescado
Member
Hmm... I wonder if it's considered a strong number for 3DS software or not.
I also wonder how much it sold on the eShop...
Cellphone market is different than the dedicated handheld market. Especially when considering all of the subsidized plans available for the cellphone market.
Yes, go 3DS version. Thanks for the splits.
Pretty alarming that the Wii U version is 13th...
This.
I don't see why anyone would think otherwise.
You might be waiting awhile.
3ds hardware please please please